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shady casino after providing my kyc they want more invasive documents
You will need to provide more information for us to have an opinion on your case. Requesting for personal information and proof of funds is in line with Know Your Customer and Anti Money Laundering policies which this casinos have to follow and you signed up to when joining. I hope your case gets settled quickly and you continue to enjoy the platform. - Jay - Now that the thread of accusations has been locked and hinted at not betting on the Shuffle, he has finally backed down.  Strange, I even though I myself am a shuffle user have never experienced the slightest problem until now and I always bet during the weekend with small amounts that there are no obstacles whatsoever, unless the security team suspects what they are doing so the data cannot be published directly. I had a problem and it has been resolved after submitting my documents. I don't know what trigger it also but probably I am exception but generally if you expect all users to KYC, I don't think the casino will manage to have a lot of wager volume in my opinion
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Update: They finally allowed me to withdraw. Thanks to everyone who spent time advising me and replying here. Really much appreciated
I don't think I will use them anymore, I'll stick to stake for my big bets. I wanted to try shuffle because I wanted to invest in the shfl token but not anymore after my horrible experience.
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I went ahead and submitted my ID and now they further verification for KYC3! like utility or bank statement . Which is not even available for my country (according to settings) they want me to provide it in live chat. That's probably for proof of location. Don't they provide Utility Bills or Bank statements in your Country? Honestly, if you don't want to do any KYC or provide any sensitive personal data then I suggest you completely stop signing up for the online casinos As I predicted and probably after providing that they will ask me to take selfie or video calll just to further hassle me. I won't entertain them anymore and consider my deposit/money gone. But be careful with this shady casino
It's your call to make, though it's a painful one. Appreciate your response, I don't know but I am talking about this  Anyways, I know I said I won't further entertain them but after so much time invested and to get the bottom of this- it don't make sense to give up. So I sent them my bank statement from one of the bank cards I have. Currently awaiting their response Just for transparency sake, I have shared the entire chat messages with their live support here idc about my deposit but seeing them do business like this actually irks me     
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I went ahead and submitted my ID and now they further verification for KYC3! like utility or bank statement . Which is not even available for my country (according to settings) they want me to provide it in live chat.
As I predicted and probably after providing that they will ask me to take selfie or video calll just to further hassle me. I won't entertain them anymore and consider my deposit/money gone. But be careful with this shady casino
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shady casino after providing my kyc they want more invasive documents
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I was withdrawing multiple times with no problem (all to the same address), how is it any different this time? Why they want me to provide kyc (picture and back side of ID/passport) to withdraw less than $100? that's a red flag. Any decent casino will disable your account and at the very least let you withdraw your deposit!
The KYC and AML policy isn’t so simple as it used to be a few years ago, the withdrawal amount doesn't matter anymore. There could be several reasons for asking you to complete the KYC verification. I can understand your dissatisfaction here as I have faced similar situation on two different casinos. One of them finally allowed me to withdraw without the KYC verification requirement, but I was forced to complete it on the other one. My withdrawal amount was small too. BTW, they have asked you to complete the level 2 KYC verification only, which isn't complicated. Shuffle team hasn't done anything wrong here as the way you are trying to highlight it. Thanks for your comment, I would not have a problem submitting my personal documents if they use a third party or something like that, but requesting me to submit these documents which is stored by them to withdraw my deposit in it's self is a scam and theft. You can't hide behind regulations and ToS when you are literally conducting a token sale https://app.bazaar.money/launch/rSHFLwhich in it's self don't request you to KYC to buy? don't you see the irony here It has been 4 days since my initial communication with Shuffle and no response, I have made them aware of this thread and my review on trustpilot and they don't care so be it.
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2 days in, I am a couple of hundred dollars up with less than $1000 total wagered and now they disabled my withdrawal option, betting option and want me to provide KYC to even withdraw my money just $100 balance! I never saw that before with my 5 years+ gambling on casinos.
I do not have any bonuses enabled. I tried to complain in the chat and I got muted for 20 days. Maybe I was a little rude with my rant for them asking KYC but 20 days really? Luckily I did not deposit thousands.
Your case is bizarre. I have heard of people wagering thousands of dollars without facing any issues at Shuffle which is why I have no idea why they chose to disable your withdrawals completely. You should have provided your KYC though since it's pretty much mandatory at different stages in literally every crypto gambling site(Excluding decentralised ones) these days. True that, I wagered more than 50k here with a bankroll average of 2000$ without encountering any issue. I’m playing regularly on blackjack and casual slot/sportsbook. I’m still in the profit side around 1000$+ here without encountering any issue such as KYC or unable to withdraw. I always notice that most of the users that have problem on any casino play sports betting and most of the time involves multiple account or arbitrage betting. Seems like they are using same pattern of strategy to attain almost surebet since this is always the case in every casino. Thanks, for your comment. I swear on my life that this is my only account on Shuffle and I am using home IP with no VPN which is what makes no sense to me why they will limit me like that. My only suspicion its because of my geographical location, but even then if that's the case they should refuse customers from that country. If you want I can post my bet history here, total bets is just under $1000 and all bets are sportsbook in tennis,soccer bets. I have sent a message to Shuffle support team letting know my report in bitcointalk. trustpilot and 0 response. Idc anymore, I was hoping this will compete with RLB and wanted to give it a try before investing in the upcoming token sale( which already live now)
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My problem is with three things; 1) Asking for KYC when I am literally under $1000 total wagered (WHO THIS KYC INFORMATION EVEN GOES TO??) 2) Refusing to even let me withdraw/close my account 3) Hiding behind their ToS and slow support which ceased communication
Your problem is this while you didn’t bother to read the ToS before you deposit or even when you are already playing frequently? Regardless the amount of your current balance they have the right ask you KYC. You mention that you have many years of playing in the casino but do play frequently on crypto casino because KYC is already a thing ever since licensed is already introduced for online casino. Your problem is very easy to resolve by undergoing KYC because this is something that you agreed when you sign up on this casino. This issue is not a scam accusation but rather a negligence on user side for not reading ToS. Thanks for your comment, I admit I did not read the ToS which states they have the right to ask for KYC any time. But let's be honest, That's a stipulation in all casinos but very rarely enforce unless I am wagering a lot, or I have multi account or any other suspicion like that I was withdrawing multiple times with no problem (all to the same address), how is it any different this time? Why they want me to provide kyc (picture and back side of ID/passport) to withdraw less than $100? that's a red flag. Any decent casino will disable your account and at the very least let you withdraw your deposit! Even then, there is 0 guarantee they will honor the withdrawal. Frankly, I don't want to submit my documents to them, or stored by them. (what is to say they will later accuse me of fake documents?) 0 communication on email, twitter and here. So please Shuffle support if you read this message, tell me publicly here what rules I break? I am playing from my home IP with no vpn and have only account registered when I first heard about this sportsbook through Twitter. Thank you
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Bla bla, Usually they ask KYC when you are trading in multiple thousands and winning. Not when literally your total wager amount is under $1000 and locking your money hiding behind their garbage ToS. There is another post on the thread where they are holding money hostage 6 weeks even after providing KYC! That's absurd.
Yeah, yeah, just keep whining, people here already know how casino KYC works and no one will side you, even defend you, until you submit your KYC then still have the same issue. The one posted on their ANN is a serious one, shitty casinos who only rely on the same IP range for labeling multi-accounting is absurd. IP address, device, browser, screen width x height, KYC should be the same or similar to label someone as multi accounting not just IP range. I am not looking for anyone to defend me. I am posting my experience and warning others and hoping if they have a real customer support it will expedite their efforts. I have been using countless other platforms like sportsbet,stake,fortunejack,cloudbet over the years without any issues. They are simply asking me to provide identity front and back. Even then, I don't trust them to honor the withdrawal.
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So your main problem is having asked for KYC? In your 5 years of experience you should already know that licensed casinos especially new ones are abide to ask KYC whenever they want, especially after XX withdrawal requests. So before registering to any casino you should be ready your KYC info after wagering X amount to them. Bla bla, Usually they ask KYC when you are trading in multiple thousands and winning(and even they still let you withdraw and not let use their platform anymore). Not when literally your total wager amount is under $1000 and locking your money hiding behind their garbage ToS. There is another post on the thread where they are holding money hostage 6 weeks even after providing KYC! That's absurd.
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I just want to post this here, to document what happened to me and warn others from using this Casino with their own token coming soon called $SHFL So you don't do the same mistake and risk losing your valuable coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465575.0 is their bitcointalk thread link https://twitter.com/shufflecom The first couple of days my experience playing the sportsbook was smooth! nearly instant deposits and withdrawals, and the betting experience was very nice. 2 days in, I am a couple of hundred dollars up with less than $1000 total wagered and now they disabled my withdrawal option, betting option and want me to provide KYC to even withdraw my money just $100 balance! I never saw that before with my 5 years+ gambling on casinos. My problem is with three things; 1) Asking for KYC when I am literally under $1000 total wagered (WHO THIS KYC INFORMATION EVEN GOES TO??) 2) Refusing to even let me withdraw/close my account 3) Hiding behind their ToS and slow support which ceased communication Let me know if you want me to provide more information, pictures. I was really hoping this will be the future of Gambling with its own token, and buybacks. but these shady practices make me think otherwise. Edit: I just want to add I noticed now they changed my chat ban from 20 days to permanent 
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Hello all My name is Felix from Germany and I would like to express my displeasure of what is going on with my Shuffle account. Let me explain what is going on. I opened an account on 27th January and wagered $57,634 ever since. This was over $50,000 in casino (keno, plinko and some other games) and also for about $6300 in sports bets (just 4 NBA bets and 1 soccer test bet on Barcelona). See screenshot of my sports bets here:  And of my overall wagers here:  My original deposit was 100mbtc and my current balance is 177mbtc. See here:  When I wanted to request a withdrawal it was rejected however and I was asked to complete KYC. I submitted the documents they asked from my and you can see it was accepted:  Then they went on to ask me all kinds of questions in the chat. They asked if I had already another account and I said no. Then they went on to say that they had noticed there was another account which was from the same region. Then I admitted that I indeed have a friend who lives about 15km away from me (thus same region and some similarities in the IP-address) and this friend initially recommended Shuffle to me. Me and some friends have an app group in which we discuss all kinds of private things and from time to time recommend casinos/sportsbooks who still accept German customers (cause many these days don't accept Germans anymore). After his recommendation I checked Bitcointalk forum and after reading good comments I decided to join a few days later. Shuffle said they find it suspicious that I joined a few days after my friend had his last withdrawal but it's only logical that people only recommend sites after they successfully received their funds. The problem however is that simply because of this Shuffle refuse to let me request a payout. Shuffle states that because my IP is from same region and I quote "the betting pattern has similarities with another user" I have apparently violated their terms in such a way that I am not only not getting my winnings, but not even my deposit also! I find this very very unfair. Literally the only thing I have in common with my friend is that we both live in the same region and we love the same games (mostly keno and plinko and NBA). But let's be honest, how many friends are there who share their favourite games and therefore have a similarity in what they play? We have not shared a wallet (we both have our own finances), we have not shared a laptop and we have not shared an IP-address (yes, they have similarities because we live in the same region but they are not the same). And also, we did not place any of the same bets....it's the same sport (NBA) we placed some bets on but not the same games and not the same bets! Furthermore I have also never used a VPN or taken any deposit bonuses. Shuffle claims that I gained an unfair advantage by opening my account because they think I am working together with my friend and that I opened a second account to circumvent betting limits. Now, if we used the same wallet to deposit, the same laptop to play, the same IP to log in from I would somehow understand their stance, but nothing of this all is the case (and these are all FACTS, simple to check). But even IF (not saying I agree but just playing devil's advocate here) they are true in this assumption, then why did they not want to pay back my deposit and my casino winnings even? If they cancel all my sports bets in retrospect I would still have around 111 mbtc balance left, which belongs to me even in the worst case scenario I think. Even though I find it very harsh if they are going to punish me for my friend's betting history, I am willing to accept receiving just 111mbtc as a resolution because this situation has been spoiling my mood for the past 6 weeks now and it's stressing me out. 100+ mbtc is a LOT of money for me and I need it. The strange thing is, my account is still open and I can still bet, just not withdraw. Whenever I try to withdraw I get a message saying it's disabled. See here:  So, I am really amazed by this decision of Shuffle and I would like to ask Noah Dummett (ndumm user in this forum) to have a second opinion look at this decision and if he feels this outcome is really too harsh, then reconsider it please. Noah, I have sent you my username per PM. I am not going to open a scam accusation topic yet because my account is still open and active and funds have not really been confiscated yet, but if this will happen then I will not just accept this and I will also contact a lawyer in Curacao for it. But ofcourse, I will give Shuffle the chance to solve it right here and this also has my preference. If casinos are going to confiscate balances simply because of assumptions and not facts, then this is really the wrong path to go on for Shuffle. And btw, if they still think me and my friend are the exact same person and they believe my ID is not real, then I will gladly do an extensive verification with camera and all, no problem. Hope to hear from you soon Shuffle! Kind regards, Felix That is scary to hear even when you are providing KYC they are refusing to pay out lol! I was looking at trust pilot reviews and I came across this https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/655a1873fbd4bd4b20c90cfd which looks really similar to your case! This is very worrying signs. Personally for my case even with less than $1000 total wager they are enforcing KYC and holding my funds hostage. 6 weeks? you are a very patient man.
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Hey guys, I just want to post my experience with this casino/sportsbook. The first couple of days my experience playing the sportsbook was smooth! nearly instant deposits and withdrawals, and the betting experience was very nice. 2 days in, I am a couple of hundred dollars up with less than $1000 total wagered and now they disabled my withdrawal option, betting option and want me to provide KYC to even withdraw my money just $100 balance! I never saw that before with my 5 years+ gambling on casinos. I do not have any bonuses enabled. I tried to complain in the chat and I got muted for 20 days. Maybe I was a little rude with my rant for them asking KYC but 20 days really? Luckily I did not deposit thousands.  I'll edit my reply, if this get's resolved.
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the website is still down for me as of 9:19 AM GMT. I'm afraid I'll miss out on everton promo
Is the site down for anyone else??
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I am also having trouble to reach the live chat and I am not getting any response from e-mail. Please follow up with me Steve
edit: I have contacted Steve, and he helped me out tremendously! thanks a lot! lovely website and platform to bet on
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