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1  Economy / Economics / Re: Snapchat IPO being offered to the publlic right now! You think it will be succes on: February 18, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
There are some red flags in Snapchat’s IPO filings - massive losses, decelerating user growth, 0 voting rights etc. So I personally have doubts about demand for the $25B valuation.
2  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 17, 2017, 05:20:26 PM

The "assumptions" you mention were based on industry standard or prices prevailing at the time of calculation.

Don't want to be a pain the ***s but volatility of bitcoin still was 300% throughout the last year. I fail to understand how one can rely on such a volatile instrument to base calculations on.


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every business has its own secrets that give his owners a competitive advantage.

You can indeed postulate that Gain may have some mystery super mining equipment that gives them an edge over the competiton, despite there being no evidence or even claim of such.

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Neither evidence is an the other side. Calculations based on assumptions, that may or may not be close to reality. We don't know which resources are used to pay that kind of payouts, we can only assume.

All of that IMHO
3  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 14, 2017, 01:23:47 PM
If and only if someone properly reads and comprehends what is explained on the first page(and  later part ) of this thread then only would understand that tmfp has proved his point by using data from gainbtc site (NOT any assumption) and calculated that data using coinwarz (a profit calculator widely used in "real" bitcoin-mining world).  Only assumption in that calculation was cost of electricity (lowest possible rates taken into account) and miners being used(S7 was considered).  Results do not match profit claims by gainbtc.

It is straight forward calculation. Those who have "faith" in gainbtc have not been able to negate "any" points raised against it. Every time raising point about "their payouts  are regular"  is only proving that their incoming cash/bitcoin flow is currently higher than outgoing bitcoin flow.


Yes, someone's properly read the answers and even agrees with some of the statements Smiley The only thing I don't get is how it is possible to use the word "fraudelent" without any facts?

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.... let's call one BTC $682.

1st assumption
Well, right now one BTC $832 which is $150 more than that or 22%. 10 days ago one BTC was $1051 which is 50% more than that number and year ago the price was $377 which is twice as less. From my
point of view it is hard to predict anything with such volatility or build any solid conclusions. 


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We don't know what miners they are using for Bitcoin (that's if they mine at all), let's say Antminer S7.

2nd assumption


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We don't know what they pay for electricity either, let's say $0.06, reasonable to cheap.

3rd assumption

Again, I know nothing about this stuff but when one sees serious accusations it would be a good idea to see something more than calculations based on assumptions some of which are questionable. I mean,
every business has its own secrets that give his owners a competitive advantage. It is not payout size that make a business ponzi but the way its finances get managed.

Just my 2cents
4  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 12, 2017, 04:27:19 PM
Those who want to invest in gainbtc are free to do so. Nobody from this forum is stopping anyone to do so.  Some people are missing the one of main point of this thread, that is how profit making model of gainbtc is fraudulent. If anyone could prove their plans are in fact earning profit through bitcoin mining then we'll be happy to lean those new points.


Sorry but nobody has proved either side so far, all calculations are based on assumptions, not on facts. While they can be correct, we don't really know how much bitcoin this website mines, how much its obligations are and what the real business model is. One can just assume and I wouldn't call anyone's activity ' fraudulent' just because it seems so to me.

They have members, members get paid, no complaints - these are facts. But I agree, this may mean anything.
5  Local / Идеи / Re: скинуться на свой банк on: November 19, 2016, 09:24:52 AM
На самом деле нет никаких проблем сделать банк. Получение лицензий, проверки и тп вопросы формальный и решаются несложно, а иногда еще и быстро если, например, купить уже готовый банк из-за лицензии.

Главный вопрос в другом - что этот банк будет делать? Из обсуждения в этой ветке не совсем ясно под какую деятельность планируется сделать банк. Обычно сначала возникает потребность, например, когда есть несколько предприятий с потоками денег и им нужно снизить стоимость взаиморасчетов, либо ввести уникальные финансовые инструменты, да и вообще деньги спокойнее хранить у себя. Тогда целесообразно делать банк.

То есть, тут как в любом бизнесе, если понятно как зарабатывать деньги, то остальное решаемо.
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