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1  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have gambling friends or you prefer to be alone. on: October 01, 2025, 03:30:23 PM
The same goes with me ever since I started online gambling. I don't want anyone watching. I don't want them to see my losses. I will share the stories about my winnings and how I got them, but never my losses.

You are right. Sometimes it feels more comfortable that way. Just playing alone and relaxing, and stopping at a point where our urge to gamble is satisfied. I believe this is the new way of gambling now, and that's why many gamblers have become less sociable.
I've also noticed that I enjoy playing solo much more because I'm completely immersed in the game. It allows me to better control my emotions, monitor the game balance, and plan. I also think about how to constantly improve my strategy, because we must improve ourselves as players if we want to win and be better than everyone else. If I play with a friend, I'll likely be less focused and make more mistakes, which will impact my win rate. It's also a bit of fun, maybe even with alcohol, which will definitely lead to poor results. So, lately, I can't even remember the last time I played with friends.
2  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why don't the rich people get addicted easily? on: October 01, 2025, 03:23:35 PM
Rich people are at risk of becoming addicted to gambling like poor people. Rich and poor status will not stop people becoming addicts. If rich people and poor people are out of control when gambling they could become addicted.

Yes, but there is a fundamental difference in how the rich and the poor perceive money. The poor also feel that if they lose at gambling, they'll be very worried about what they'll need to eat tomorrow. The rich, on the other hand, are only concerned about not getting richer or about not being able to reaffirm their status as successful. It's a huge difference, but there's only one correct approach to gambling: play for fun and not think of the casino as a place to make money.
On the other hand, poor gamblers don't even think too much about losing everything they have, because they've learned to survive and even find food through various means, from borrowing money to begging on the street. This might last for a month, and then they'll make another deposit and try to win, which can go on for quite some time. Rich people are more likely to leave behind a few expensive items, bank deposits, or have relatives with money help them get back on their feet and oversee their recovery.
3  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you know a reliable casino? on: October 01, 2025, 03:18:38 PM
It is easy to feel that all casinos are same especially when you have had bad experiences with locked payouts and unfair cash out offers which are clear signs that you are using unreliable websites. However casinos are not all same. Main difference is their License and Regulation. Trustworthy casino will show license from respected group like MGA or UKGC and must follow strict rules ensuring they process your cash out requests quickly and never block your money. Reliable sites have clear rules and offer fair cash out amounts based on live odds and way they make money is by being trustworthy not by cheating players with unfair restrictions.
Of course, every casino is different, and before playing, I'd look for reviews, read user opinions on the forum, and also videos on various video hosting sites where they talk about the casino in detail. Only then would I try playing there, but not with large sums, because at a new casino, I always think there's a risk that they won't withdraw my winnings for various fictitious reasons. Although, I imagine if this happens, it quickly spreads across the internet. On the other hand, reviews can also be faked to make the casino appear better than it actually is; this is also important to keep in mind rather than blindly trusting.
4  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Биткойн-резерв США. on: October 01, 2025, 03:09:42 PM
Тут комичным может быть и другой сценарий, когда Сейлор будет что-то предлагать, а рассмотрят именно его или его кампанию в качестве отличного источника для пополнения битками, хах. Шутка, скорее всего такого не случится, но чем черт не шутит) На деле думаю нормально это будет работать, но тоже могут быть нюансы в качестве того что криптанов в целом не будут слишком трогать, даже тех которые нарушают законы, потому что какое-то слишком лояльно к ним относятся в трамповские времена.
Если будут нарушать то показательно могут какую то мелочь наказать, но это будут очень мелкие суммы для биткоин-резерва, и вы правы что это может подпортить репутацию если у обычных холдеров начнут забирать биток, так что такого скорее всего не случится. Будут дальше пытаться искать каких то мошенников-хакеров, или наркоторговцев которые работают с битком, но как видим таких историй совсем нету в последние годы.
Может и есть только не слишком афишируются, например недавно пару дней назад говорили что в мск-сити пришли кошмарить обменки, но я в принципе только за, а то сидят там и проценты только снимают и чувствуют себя королями жизни. По сути у грязи это и надо конфисковывать, только главное соблюдать баланс, не мешать тем кто таким не занимается, даже наоборот поддерживать и выстроить понятную регулируемую базу. Хотя стоит упомянуть что из-за трамповского движа, к битку стали намного лояльнее относится регулирующие органы, даже в мире.
5  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Стоит ли сейчас инвестировать в Биткоин? on: October 01, 2025, 03:04:32 PM
Недвижка - довольно специфический актив. Разным сторонам рынка хочется тянуть одеяло в разные стороны. Кому-то хочется её больше "напечатать" и сделать, типа, доступной, кто-то хочет поспекулировать. Но, как по мне, спекуляции недвижкой давно неприбыльны. Недвига подходит разве что для парковки капитала. Ввиду того, что она очень инерционна, внутренне неоднородна, ветшает со временем и подержена всяческим регуляциям.
    А график к золоту у битка за всё время не сильно отличается от графика к баксу, только масштаб роста не такой  размашистый.
Так биток почти все активы уделал, если сказать грубо) Ну да с золотом побадались, но победитель очевиден. Даже сегодня под 117к вырос, показывает силу 1-го октября, начиная аптобер уверенным ростом. Честно говоря не знаю на чем это рывок, наверное на шатдауне в США, золото и серебро тоже растут) Не знаю как биток во времена шатдаунов себя вел, но что-то мне подсказывает что рос, потому что это минимальная, но неопределенность. А вот акции исторически не особо реагировали на это.
6  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: man up and stop blaming casinos on: September 30, 2025, 06:01:55 PM
This is a gambler who doesn't understand what they're playing; they don't understand that gambling involves winners and losers. They don't have the right mindset before entering the world of gambling. It's crucial to understand what gambling is all about. If you don't understand it properly, when you lose, you'll blame the casino. This is bad and will have unhealthy consequences for your future gambling activities, as your mindset is flawed from the start.

A gambler who isn't prepared to lose often becomes addicted because they prioritize profit over entertainment, and they gamble with money they can't afford to lose. When they lose, they should learn from their mistakes, rather than blaming the casino. Blaming the casino is the same as not fully understanding gambling.
You've very well described what it means to not fully understand gambling. I'd say the player doesn't understand that losing is part of the game; it's impossible to survive without it. On the other hand, I understand that losing players want to blame the casino because they need to shift responsibility; this is common when losing money. Many players simply need to understand how casinos work, and the better they understand this, the less likely they will be to question it. For example, I did this gradually, and eventually, when I lost, I realized I had to stop because emotions would start to take over, creating the risk of losing my entire deposit, and I absolutely don't want that.
7  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction without loss of money. on: September 30, 2025, 05:51:12 PM
Gambling without risks isn't a gambling anymore. Tbh, gambling is gambling because of how your risk a valuable thing like money so a gambling without the involvement of money is pretty rare. And I also doubt that a simple game can't trigger any addiction. The reason why we get addiction is because of the thrill that involve risks, the chasing of wins and of course, the feeling during the games. So again, gambling really requires risk, involves money or something valuable you can stake.
Yes, I also think that if we don't put something valuable at stake, something socially recognized, then the frenzied excitement won't happen. Sure, many of us played poker with friends for play money, but it was just fun and a little bit of excitement. But the real game begins when each of these players comes home and plays with their hard-earned money, earned through hard work. It's obvious to everyone that every player wants to win. Besides, they've earned not only money but also prestige among other players, proving themselves to be the luckiest.
8  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Back then, people gambled whole Bitcoins - imagine the value today on: September 30, 2025, 05:45:50 PM
Of course, today it looks funny and hilarious, if you translate it into today's exchange rate. But at the time, it wasn't like that, so I take things in stride. Even if we were to go back to that time now, we'd be playing and making such frivolous bets very easily. Because few people thought Bitcoin would reach the heights it has today. Back then, it was like candy canes that you wouldn't mind betting and losing. I'd like to see those players today, but I think they're doing fine and aren't too worried about it.
9  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Продолжение адопшена биткойна on: September 30, 2025, 05:41:46 PM
а адопшена я не заметил, может можно туда отнести движ с резервами, но по сути даже этого не случилось в полной мере.

Для меня адопшен - понятие очень широкое. И я бы туда историю с ETF точно бы отнесла, потому что посредством этого про биткоин лучше узнало куда больше людей, плюс нарастилась аудиторию, пусть даже и таким образом, конда у них не тру биток в наличии. В любом случае институционалы дают толчок тому, что биткоин уже не является каким-то нишевым приколом для задротов. Это тоже адопшен своего рода.
Действительно, ведь когда битком уже многие привыкли пользоваться как нечто обычное, это радует меня потому что я помню что было многие годы назад и мало кто приблизительно понимал что это, но на цену смотрели все. Вообще-то с этого и начинался интерес и привалило столько народу) А инстуционалам доверят многие денежные и богатейшие люди, потому что им например показали что все уже в правовом поле на мази и весь мир пользуется, так почему бы в него не инвестировать надолго. Хотя пока они шевелились, цена запушилась на пару десятков тысяч вверх)
10  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Стоит ли сейчас инвестировать в Биткоин? on: September 30, 2025, 05:34:41 PM

По каким оценкам 150К высокий уровень? Золотишко туземунит (сегодня опять АТХ обновило), всякие разные индексы недвижимости тоже, на фонде стадо компаний триллионеров уже, М2 в каждой стране напоминает уже начало параболы. 150к вообще не высокий уровень если на все это поправку делать.
Я бы уже всерьез больше внимания на график биткоин/золото обращал чем на фиатные цены. А там все очень скромно если держать в уме что адопшен таки идет.
Ну в принципе да, учитывая что недвижка как бы еще строится и ее становится больше, и акции тоже иногда размывают в количестве и при этом все равно это все растет. Ограниченный биток по сравнению с ними выглядит скромно, поэтому надеемся на продолжение роста. По сути все для этого есть, в мире уже привыкли к битку, даже консервативные участники рынка и что-то я давно не слышу высказываний про то что это пузырь и прочей брехни. А график к золоту и правда неплохо смотрится, опять же, есть куда расти, даже при некоторых рывках вверх по золоту.


Недвижку учитывать надо, но это давно уже такой сомнительный класс активов которые ближе находятся к финансовым активам/деривативам чем к чему-то реальному. "Печатают" недвижку абсолютно нездоровыми темпами, а удерживают ее стоимость и вовсе экономическими преступлениями вроде реноваций, льготных иоптек и т.д.
График биток/золото мне нравится еще более масшатбный, возьмите 10 лет, а не 5. Даже там адопшен не наблюдается, хотя фактически происходит и принятие битка как фундаментального актива идёт повсеместно.
Самое интересное что людей то больше не становится, наоборот только пожилые люди умирают и оставляют в наследство квадратные метры, поэтому картина хотя бы должна быть близка к тому что у каждой семьи должно хватать квадратов, но на деле картина обычно в точности да наоборот. Да и льготка тоже пушит цены в небеса. График биток к золоту 10 лет назад не слишком адекватно воспринимаю, потому что ровно 10 лет назад у битка капа была неприлично мала - пол сотни ярдов$, а сейчас 2.25 триллиона$. Не открывая график представляю что там будет.
11  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Individual freedom or social problem? on: September 29, 2025, 03:24:47 PM
Gambling is a personal thing, so to speak. You have the right and freedom to gamble as you like at any time of the day, so long as it's your money. The government or whoever doesn't have the right to deny you access to gambling. The time they can do that is when gambling results in, addiction, financial, and mental issues are at large in society, the government, or individuals can take steps to restrict access to individuals to avoid further societal damage in individual life
I think a basic balance is needed between social networks and the freedom of players to play as they wish. Too many restrictions on players aren't always a good thing, especially if they're trying to ban the game in a country. This doesn't completely solve the problem, because players who don't want to accept this will play underground and form groups. But too much easy and uncontrolled access to games can also sometimes be undesirable, because many people gamble responsibly and lose their family's money, leaving their family without money for food. Such players should be restricted.
12  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Excitement in gambling and How to Control Yourself ? on: September 29, 2025, 03:18:38 PM
Be excited, but also have the ability of controlling one's self, because we can't be gambling the way we want without being careful on the consequences to everything that comes after our gambling decision and the way we play, we have to develop self control in gambling, because not everything we see we have to believe we must do in gambling, some may cost us what we may not like as aftermath.
Self-control must be developed over time, as it's not something that can be achieved overnight. Initially, a player will make many mistakes, perhaps even serious ones, but if they are able to learn, not only from their own mistakes but also from others, they can gradually achieve self-control. Another important factor is that if a player wants to become a winning player, they must train and be around professionals to develop their skills. Self-control is only part of a professional player's success, but most fail to even get past this stage and constantly try to win back losses without self-control.
13  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did you also go through this stage in gambling? on: September 29, 2025, 03:11:38 PM
I think most players started gambling believing they were the smartest and would quickly figure out how to beat the casino, but ultimately, the casino awarded the player their rightful place. And that place isn't usually a winning one, because learning to win requires extensive gambling experience. But even if a player has a winning strategy, total self-control, and adherence to all money management rules, this doesn't guarantee long-term success, because luck can simply run out at any moment, and even a professional can succumb to the pressure.
14  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Продолжение адопшена биткойна on: September 29, 2025, 03:05:02 PM

   Тем, кому за 40, а особенно за 50 и 60 биткойн уже скорее всего не так много плюшек принесёт.

Ну не скажите, все зависит от того, в каких условиях эти люди за 50-60 находятся. Например, если это чиновники в известных нам странах, то там именно они больше всего от криптовалют и выигрывают. Даже того же Трампа взять: совсем не молодой уже парень, а криптовалюты вот совсем недавно увеличили в несколько раз его и так не малое состояние. И эти его схемы еще можно притянуть за уши, как более-менее честные. А что говорить о том, где крипта - это средство коррупции? А в таких схемах больше всего получают те, кто в них уже давно. И обычно это совсем уже не молодые люди.
Так сказать приспособились, безусловно есть такие кадры которые научились использовать так крипту и пока регуляторы поймут как там что использовать в различных странах, эти товарищи уже на пенсии будут попивать бренди, а может быть их уже не будет) А Трампу подсказали как все крутить вертеть в крипте и на его имени можно только миллионы закалачивать, если не больше и он это прекрасно понимает. Я только не понимаю нафига ему столько денег, у него итак хватает, хотя возможно тут стадия когда просто для того чтобы было.
15  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Стоит ли сейчас инвестировать в Биткоин? on: September 29, 2025, 03:00:10 PM

По каким оценкам 150К высокий уровень? Золотишко туземунит (сегодня опять АТХ обновило), всякие разные индексы недвижимости тоже, на фонде стадо компаний триллионеров уже, М2 в каждой стране напоминает уже начало параболы. 150к вообще не высокий уровень если на все это поправку делать.
Я бы уже всерьез больше внимания на график биткоин/золото обращал чем на фиатные цены. А там все очень скромно если держать в уме что адопшен таки идет.
Ну в принципе да, учитывая что недвижка как бы еще строится и ее становится больше, и акции тоже иногда размывают в количестве и при этом все равно это все растет. Ограниченный биток по сравнению с ними выглядит скромно, поэтому надеемся на продолжение роста. По сути все для этого есть, в мире уже привыкли к битку, даже консервативные участники рынка и что-то я давно не слышу высказываний про то что это пузырь и прочей брехни. А график к золоту и правда неплохо смотрится, опять же, есть куда расти, даже при некоторых рывках вверх по золоту.
16  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers are losers casino owners are winner. on: September 28, 2025, 01:32:24 PM
I don't understand this thread. It's like saying water is wet. It seems so obvious and so predictable that there's no point in explaining or saying it.
The casinos are the winners, and do you know where you find that? From the constantly increasing number of casinos in the world and on the forum. If it weren't profitable, there wouldn't be so many casinos.

If they fail, their numbers automatically drop drastically. One reason these games grow and thrive is because they constantly welcome new players, both offline and online, whether in the tens or hundreds, who play at their own pace. It's simply a game of chance, even though most of them lose, and the more they keep trying, the richer the casino owner becomes.
I also think that if player numbers are declining, you could offer them lucrative bonuses on their next deposit. This could actually be beneficial to the player, as they'll reconnect with the game and become fully immersed in it, perhaps even taking out a bank loan to recoup losses or borrowing from family or friends. Of course, the casino doesn't want this, but usually, the player loses self-control and does things that aren't typical. Sometimes, even if I feel like doing something like that after losses, I remember the things I did when I had big losses, and it immediately calms me down. I absolutely don't want to repeat those huge mistakes, but new players don't even realize this.
17  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction without loss of money. on: September 28, 2025, 01:26:54 PM

We cannot call it gambling if there's no money involve on what we are playing since we are not trying our luck to win and hit some prizes. Its just a simulation if we don't put any real bets on those games we  are currently playing.

But I don't think that people would enjoy this since its really boring if we don't have any chance to win big that's why this situation is not addicting. The main factor on why people got affected is those thinking that later on or some day they can pull a massive win on the casino and what they are thinking is they need to be consistent betting to be in that situation. Then with this gambling addiction develop and its worse if the person cannot handle this condition.

Yes, if it's just a game without money, then we can't call it gambling, it's simply entertainment that doesn't involve winning or losing. On the one hand, I don't always want to play for money, sometimes I just want to play a game. When I bet money, it's something different. I want to experience the thrill and win, whereas when I play a game, I don't want to worry about losing, it's just for fun, so, for me, there's a significant difference.
For me, it's a huge difference. Playing without betting real money, which will ultimately impact your life positively or negatively, is simply fun, and that's precisely why millions of players play. But I'd get bored of playing for a couple of hours and want to find something more interesting. If I want to play and kill time, I'd prefer to play computer games with friends, but they'll be very interesting, like Dota 2 or CS, but they won't be gambling without money. That's my opinion, and I sincerely don't understand those who gamble with play money; their interest won't last long.
18  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about profit. on: September 28, 2025, 01:21:28 PM
Gambling can only be for win and loss if you understand it, many gamblers do not understand that, they think that once they gamble, winning should be the next thing, they fail to have it at the back of their mind that as far as gambling is concerned nothing was promised to anyone, it is all about trying your luck, not risking what you can't afford to lose, whenever you see people complaining about how they lost and may be putting blame on casinos and so on, just know that they have toll they lane of irresponsible gambling, they have gambled with what they can afford to lose, as for gambling being a job, anyone thinking that way will face the consequences of his or her decision if they don't retrace early.
It's also a matter of human psychology: many people want to believe in miracles and their own exceptionalism, thinking they'll be lucky while others might not. This usually ends with the player losing their deposit and continuing to deposit more, thinking they were just lucky enough to win in the moment, but they'll win right now, only to lose again. The key here is to find the bottom and not keep digging for new ground. I know what I'm talking about because I did the same thing, but my conscience prevented me from losing a lot and not taking out a bank loan or borrowing money from friends and family. Gambling isn't about winning money at all; it's about self-control, the ability to make sound decisions, and a little luck.
19  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does data really help us bettors, or are the bookies just always ahead? on: September 28, 2025, 01:12:58 PM
If this really helped players who noticed and used it win, it would be a drain on bookmakers' profits. I don't think this data significantly helps players earn more profit, but it might help them bet more often. Bookmakers profit from this, as players will bet more and more often, but by constantly taking their percentage of the bet, they'll simply end up profiting in the long run. And players will be disappointed again that they chose the wrong strategy or looked at the wrong data, only to come back with a new deposit and bet again, testing their theories.
20  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Стоит ли сейчас инвестировать в Биткоин? on: September 28, 2025, 01:08:47 PM
Тут Тим Кук (CEO Apple) заявил, что он все еще холдит биток, конечно не Илон Маск, но тоже многие к нему прислушиваются, особенно те кто работает в его кампании или в других больших корпорациях с большой капитализацией. Так многим это может придать некой уверенности, заодно вспомнилось что Эрик Трамп тоже говорит что не надо продавать, а надо закупаться, но с этим кадром хочется послушать и сделать наоборот. Кароче говоря по лично моим наблюдением, чем больше публичных личностей начинают орать что надо держать здесь и сейчас, это обычно знаменует снижение, пусть даже локальное, а не долгосрочное.

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