The 2 opposite sides could quickly become irrelevant, most people want a bitcoin free from drama and politics. All the noise you hear is made by a small minority. If you look at software signaling graph you will see that most of the hashing power is not voting for anything, these miners are just waiting for community consensus. This is also why I doubt BU will get more than 50% hashing power in the current state of affairs, however if segwit doesn't activate before deadline and no block size increase from core is made I believe BU could gain more support from the community and so miners will follow.

As you said a hard fork is inevitable if no compromise is agreed upon, so if we are going to do a hard fork how about do one that is not contentious?  how about we leave the politics aside and move forward ?

It is not simply changing 1 to 2. The fork would include segwit too. The bump to 2 is merely to give what miners and some users want which is a block size increase.  As Charlie Lee said, if segwit had not been 'advertised' as a scaling solution there would be no discussion as to whether it should be implemented or not.

Exactly. There is a reason satoshi decided to remain anonymous, it was to keep the protocol as neutral as possible.
If satoshi ’s identity was known people would turn to him for advice about scaling which would ultimately influence the crowd

When there is such strong disagreement within the community the best course of action is to go back to the roots and use an anon implementation, free of politics that can satisfy both camps.

Let me ask you a question. If an anon published the code for segwit+2mb, that the code has been reviewed by multiple developers and has miners support. Would you run it?  If not why?

BU is also an altcoin . How is it going to be harder for segwit+2mb coin to get support than BU? 

How did you come to that conclusion?

"" cores dictatorship ""  Those are you words not mine


I disagree. BU has very little support from the community besides /r/btc. Most exchanges, wallet, miners don’t want it as it hasn’t been thoroughly tested and developers have pointed out potential vulnerabilities with it.



ok so what is your permanent solution ?

BU and segwit are not going to happen. BU will never get unanimous support as it is pre-mature and not enough tested.
Segwit won’t either. The closer we get to that activation deadline the more likely both miners and core won't compromise.




What I proposed is to distance ourselves from both development teams and create a neutral implementation, how is this spoon-feeding the devs?

@franky1


BU is basically a completely separate fork that has nothing to do with bitcoin core.
If the majority of miners, nodes, exchanges, wallets decide to use BU instead of core then BU is the new bitcoin.
This however is most likely never going to happen since a large group of people, miners, developers,etc… do not support BU.( that’s probably what you refer as consensus)

However if someone published the segwit core code with a 2mb anonymously, then the miners are most likely to show their support for this version because that’s basically what they want.

Both XT and classic didn’t get miner support because they didn’t have unanimous support . So does Segwit today.
Segwit+2mb pretty much has unanimous support, even the most hard core CORE crowd would support it, and the BU camp is just whining because core don’t want to compromise .

The problem we have now is not how we should scale , but it is who will control bitcoin in the future. The only way you can get rid of the politics is for someone to anonymously publish code that everyone wants. You will be surprised by how much support such code would have, especially in these uncertain times.

That's what a hard fork is. That's also what BU is proposing.


People still havn't realized that the situation is not black and white and that the solution is actually very simple.

The miners want at least 2mb with segwit as per HK agreement.

Take 0.13.1 with segwit, add 2000000 MAX_BLOCKSIZE

Call your version "bitcoin compromise" or "bitcoin community" and create a basic webpage so people can download BC from it. A simple github link would do too ( do it anonymously so that politics don't get in the way)

PROBLEM solved.



What are the benefits of doing this?  We will keep all developers ( BU and core),their ego won't be hurt and bitcoin can move forward.