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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: April 12, 2017, 08:37:11 AM
Tempus, as I mentioned since the LKK1Y is a special Future with an upfront payment and a built in trigger option, actually it would be great if you could just ask someone technical in the Lykke team to explain the pricing model for the LKK1Y.

Might shed some light on why the price would go up more than the LKK itself.

Contango is not just a concept for commodities (although it is mostly used to refer to them). It can also be applied to equity indexes where the storage costs are essentially zero however there is an associated time value of money (risk free interest rate) and possible dividends.

When the interest rate is higher than the dividend the market is in contango. We have been more or less in backwardation since the GFC in 2008 since the interest rates went to zero (or even negative in some countries) while the dividend yields actually rose in some cases.

https://www.quora.com/Are-S-P500-futures-in-contango-or-backwardation-through-most-of-their-history-Why-if-possible

However, you are correct in saying that contango does not apply straight off the bat to Lykke 1-year forward, its a bit more involved. You see the Lykke 1-Y is a forward which has an upfront payment whereas futures are usually settled at the expiration. So the cash flow timing is different. On top of that there is an option built into the Lykke 1Y forward, which is the trigger. The option should in theory have a premium the value of which will depend on the volatility of the underlying asset (which is the LKK), as this is used to measure the probability of the asset increasing or decreasing in price over a period of time.

In financial theory, to get the volatility of an asset you can calculate that from the option price and other variables.
However, in practice (in the markets) it works the other way round. What you have is the option price which is derived from the natural market forces of supply and demand and what you do is you back calculate the volatility (in which case it gets called as the implied volatility).

You see by having the Lkk1Y traded on the Lykke exchange, the Lykke team is essentially able to backcalculate the implied volatility. This is a much more accurate number than any volatility derived from theory using the black scholes or binary or any other option pricing model. So the Lykke team has been able to raise funds and at the same time cleverly able to derive the implied volatility - you need that to come up with pricing of other derivatives on Lykke they may need to list on the exchange in the future.

In short, I would expect the price of the LKK1Y to be higher than the Lkk merely due to the time value of money (measure by the risk free interest rate but complicated by the upfront payment) and the premium on the trigger option. Assuming dividend in the next 1 year will be zero which is a reasonable assumption to make for Lykke.

I guess that's how it is supposed to work anyways, however the guys at Lykke will be able to shed more light on the technical details.

Sorry for the long post, couldn't help it. My knowledge may be limited but trying to share what I know Cheesy
 
Guys that is easily explained and a real validation of the Lykke project.

The futures price can be above or below the spot price, when its above the spot price it is what in finance speak we call contango.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contango

When an asset is in Contango it usually indicates the market view that the spot price (which is LKK in this case) in the future will move up.

Putting my finance & investment background to good use Wink

@mtnsaa: The LKK1Y-price results out of real demand. ;-)

 Cheesy

But how can it be higher than LKK? That doesn't make any sense.



I have no idea tbh.. ;-)

Interesting! Didn't know "Contango". But I'm not so sure that applies here because if I get it right, Contango seems to be a situation that happens when it's about raw-material with certain costs (carrying, storage, loss) what is not the case for LKK.
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: April 12, 2017, 08:28:30 AM
Contango is not just a concept for commodities (although it is mostly used to refer to them). It can also be applied to equity indexes where the storage costs are essentially zero however there is an associated time value of money (risk free interest rate) and possible dividends.

When the interest rate is higher than the dividend the market is in contango. We have been more or less in backwardation since the GFC in 2008 since the interest rates went to zero (or even negative in some countries) while the dividend yields actually rose in some cases.

https://www.quora.com/Are-S-P500-futures-in-contango-or-backwardation-through-most-of-their-history-Why-if-possible

However, you are correct in saying that contango does not apply straight off the bat to Lykke 1-year forward, its a bit more involved. You see the Lykke 1-Y is a future which has an upfront payment whereas futures are usually settled at the expiration. So the cash flow timing is different. On top of that there is an option built into the Lykke 1Y forward, which is the trigger. The option should in theory have a premium the value of which will depend on the volatility of the underlying asset (which is the LKK), as this is used to measure the probability of the asset increasing or decreasing in price over a period of time.

In financial theory, to get the volatility of an asset you can calculate that from the option price and other variables.
However, in practice (in the markets) it works the other way round. What you have is the option price which is derived from the natural market forces of supply and demand and what you do is you back calculate the volatility (in which case it gets called as the implied volatility).

You see by having the Lkk1Y traded on the Lykke exchange, the Lykke team is essentially able to backcalculate the implied volatility. This is a much more accurate number than any volatility derived from theory using the black scholes or binary or any other option pricing model. So the Lykke team has been able to raise funds and at the same time cleverly able to derive the implied volatility - you need that to come up with pricing of other derivatives on Lykke they may need to list on the exchange in the future.

In short, I would expect the price of the LKK1Y to be higher than the Lkk merely due to the time value of money (measure by the risk free interest rate but complicated by the upfront payment) and the premium on the trigger option. Assuming dividend in the next 1 year will be zero which is a reasonable assumption to make for Lykke.

I guess that's how it is supposed to work anyways, however the guys at Lykke will be able to shed more light on the technical details.

Sorry for the long post, couldn't help it. My knowledge may be limited but trying to share what I know Cheesy
 
Guys that is easily explained and a real validation of the Lykke project.

The futures price can be above or below the spot price, when its above the spot price it is what in finance speak we call contango.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contango

When an asset is in Contango it usually indicates the market view that the spot price (which is LKK in this case) in the future will move up.

Putting my finance & investment background to good use Wink

@mtnsaa: The LKK1Y-price results out of real demand. ;-)

 Cheesy

But how can it be higher than LKK? That doesn't make any sense.



I have no idea tbh.. ;-)

Interesting! Didn't know "Contango". But I'm not so sure that applies here because if I get it right, Contango seems to be a situation that happens when it's about raw-material with certain costs (carrying, storage, loss) what is not the case for LKK.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: April 11, 2017, 11:11:59 PM
Guys that is easily explained and a real validation of the Lykke project.

The futures price can be above or below the spot price, when its above the spot price it is what in finance speak we call contango.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contango

When an asset is in Contango it usually indicates the market view that the spot price (which is LKK in this case) in the future will move up.

Putting my finance & investment background to good use Wink

@mtnsaa: The LKK1Y-price results out of real demand. ;-)

 Cheesy

But how can it be higher than LKK? That doesn't make any sense.

I have no idea tbh.. ;-)
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: April 06, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
Makes sense, my understanding is that the assets that will be traded on Lykke will be blockchain agnostic and the cross-chain atomic swaps are going to enable that. So whether it is Bitcoin, Ethereum or any other blockchain that comes up in the future that has tokens built upon the blockchain we will still be able to trade those tokens

The Lykke token itself however is colored token that is a tiny bit of Bitcoin on the Bitcoin blockchain.


This is great news and there are so many new stuff coming it's hard to keep up, luckily we have the brand new slack community! Personally I can't wait for them to start trading ETH (I know they are working on anchoring/settle to Ethereum platform) but it's really needed for many of us. Especially seeing they listed unknown coin projects and Chronobank which is actually an ETH token.

I guess it's a problem of liquidity right now as we all know it's not a small market...



Yes, righ! But the reason that ETH is still not listed is more because they really implement Ethereum as platform, not just add the token. And they have high ambitions with atomic-swaps etc. But it will come. Smiley
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: April 05, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
Great work with the slack!

Here's the Lykke Roadmap I thought might be useful to some:

https://trello.com/b/IV0PH2gs/lykke-roadmap

Also interestingly, Lykke will be using Ethereum blockchain very soon as per below ETH thread 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=428589.13460

6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: March 29, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
What's interesting is that if you change base currency to LKK and then look at the relative LKK1Y price it's somewhere around 0.875 while the offering was at 0.8 (20% discount).

So the guys who bought the LKK1Y are already making a decent  6 to 7% profit.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: March 24, 2017, 04:48:38 AM
Hi Tempus,

If LKK and other colored coins are technically small bits of Bitcoin, how will they be impacted due to a hard fork on that blockchain?

And is there any plans to issue colored coins on Ethereum or any other blockchains?


Hi DJ53!

I'm not totally sure tbh and most likely it would depend on the situation. Right now I believe they'll stick to the Core-Chain. But as far as I know, technically both chains would be possible to use for colored-coins.

Lykke tweeted this yesterday:

Lykke Exchange supports the Hard Fork Contingency Plan @coindesk
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-exchanges-unveil-emergency-hard-fork-contingency-plan/
https://twitter.com/LykkeCity/status/842978281494384640


Btw, somebody asked the same question today on Slack and once I know more I'll post it.


Regarding Ethereum: It's also something I would have to ask. Longterm it's possible how I believe, most likely especially if Lykke should list an ICO of an Ethereum-project for example.

Hi Tempus, thanks for the good work you are doing communicating the plans.

I can see the Lykke1Y has now started trading and is already up Smiley
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: March 22, 2017, 05:17:38 AM
Hi Tempus,

If LKK and other colored coins are technically small bits of Bitcoin, how will they be impacted due to a hard fork on that blockchain?

And is there any plans to issue colored coins on Ethereum or any other blockchains?
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: March 13, 2017, 08:53:25 AM
Thanks Tempus, I can wait till then though it will be more interesting to see the Business Report and get clarity on the business model, the markets and revenue streams and the strategic direction of Lykke.

Do you also know what is the number of outstanding Lykke coins? At the moment some are held by the company and by the founders, but I guess it's not clear to me how many coins are in distribution to the public. Coinmarketcap shows this number as 30,000,000LKK.

10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - Semi-decentralized Exchange on the Blockchain on: March 12, 2017, 02:04:19 PM
Thanks to everyone for the great discussion going on here.

Hey Tempus, are you on the Lykke team?

I am kind of new here and bought some Lykke & forwards as well, I was wondering if you know when the annual financial statements and business report for end 2016 would become available? It was mentioned in the memorandum.

Regards,
DJ

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