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1  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: April 07, 2017, 01:15:04 AM
Quote from: getinthere on April 07, 2017, 01:12:54 AM
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I have complained through emails to them and on Twitter but my wagers are still pending. Hopefully they are going through the pending wagers now

Did you get it now? Can you look up?

Quote from: adaseb on April 07, 2017, 12:52:36 AM
I am really curious why some sites have the whole "ID verification" and "KYC/AML" while others don't. Why is it that PD never asks for this info but many of these smaller gambling sites always ask for it ONLY after you win big from them.

I think its because they know that most won't give away that info and they will get away without having to payout some winners.

Not always, it can be based on local law too. Big amounts need to be reported and in EU bets over 10K are forbidden at all, meaning the value where according to the word "big win" I assume you mean >10btc win.

Mostly, especially in gambling, you need some time. Asking for verification and the process itself could take up weeks. This is how those small companies try to get some time. If they are successfull, then they pay out and brag about it. If not, they go belly with customer funds because they know it is the only option.

I've never looked at cloudbet as scam or gambling site, I looked at it always as very interesting blockchain based project where blockchain changes the way of how betting works. Whatever is going on with them, it was interesting project.
2  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: April 07, 2017, 01:06:57 AM
I just received pending bets. I am unsure if it happened because I wrote here or because everybody else got it too.

Can anybody confirm, where, I would preffer @cloudbet to explain these issues being reported
3  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: April 07, 2017, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: tokeweed on April 06, 2017, 04:11:12 PM
I was looking for F1 betting lines and I came across Cloudbet.  I did my research about it and found out that one user had a complaint that his withdrawal was blocked and will remain so until he uploads his ID and proof of address.  Now I don't mind doing this, but for a BTC sports betting site, is it really needed?

ID verification? On site which seems to be scam? What do you expect then from them if they have your documents, names, address etc.? That's probably joke of the day, but yeah, I did not hear about that. I guess bigger problem is them holding user funds and not paying those out. I do not expect any good of such people and would never leave any kind of verification on such sites.

Can you post verification of this claim and that they asked for verification after the payment was initiated.
4  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: April 06, 2017, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: IPTVReseller on April 06, 2017, 11:46:59 PM
Post in scam accusation .. They scammed me too

I tried them because somebody else told me they are not playing nice.

bitcointalk is big scam, this forum is fully biased agenda. I do not care to if there is a need for scam accusation or not if it is obvious.

They are based in EU in Malta, you can get full info about the company. If they scammed you, you should write/inform according institutions in Malta. This would be way more effective if it is true.

For now, they keep bets which they will probably claim to be technical issue. I was reported they scammed other people.

Before I make any accusation, I would like cloudbet to reply first before blowing dust into the wind.

I hope for you to get your coins back from them.
5  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere! on: April 06, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
Cloudbet does not pay bets out, they are pending since almost 24 hours.

I clicked on support, mail composer popped up, I wrote my email:

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From: "Tor Onion" <tor.onion@post.com>
To: support@cloudbet.com
Subject: Bets pending for 24 hours
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I wrote:
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hello, this is not normal. you kept bets for several hours, now for almost 24 hours. why? When will you pay out?


Seconds after I received this:


I wrote once again:
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I get now mail delivery mail. I can't make support ticket?
 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 at 1:22 AM
From: "Tor Onion" <tor.onion@post.com>
To: support@cloudbet.com
Subject: Bets pending for 24 hours
hello, this is not normal. you kept bets for several hours, now for almost 24 hours. why? When will you pay out?

And received again mail delivery error.
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Example of unpaid bets:


Cloudbet seems to have a lot issues. Are they closing down and running away with user funds?

@cloudbet
Can you explain?


EDIT:
Code:
The response from the remote server was:

Your email to group support@cloudbet.com was rejected due to spam classification. To address this issue: * Contact the owner of the group, who can choose to enable message moderation instead of bouncing these emails. * Set up SPF records for your sending domain if you have not done so already. Instructions for both steps can be found here: https://support.google.com/a/answer/168383.
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