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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Removed on: November 22, 2017, 01:39:21 AM
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2  Economy / Service Announcements / Removed on: October 26, 2017, 01:25:55 AM
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3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2017, 11:17:56 AM
does anyone know what is coming ico based on ethereum classic?

Hey, I know about:
http://soundchain.org/
http://fractalide.com/
https://www.corion.io/geo
http://www.geofounders.com/ico/
https://dexaran.github.io/ICO/


All being developed on the Classic chain, hope it helped bro!

4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.5 (Windows/Linux) on: June 11, 2017, 03:16:04 PM
Hi folks, long time listener, first time caller.

Have a 5 card rig (win10, rx470 4gb) that's been running fine for months. Suddenly dropped out, and now Claymore exits because 'no amd cards in list'. Cards are present and correct in Win10 device manager, no errors.

Tried older drivers, tried newer drivers. Removed win10 updates. Tried new OpenCL package. Any ideas anyone? Is there a way to force the OpenCL list to update? Much appreciated in advance!

I actually had the same problem. If you have not solved this, what worked for me was downloading DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) and uninstalling the gpu drivers with that software, then re-installing the drivers. Worth testing atleast if you have not already.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Service] Invictus Mining on: June 08, 2017, 12:06:41 AM
Seems like a interesting project! I currently have about 600 mh in my home and can´t really host any more machines (heath and to high electricity), this would offer a perfect solution. So as i understand it it is possible to set up some sort of monthly payment plan, right? How would that look? if you can give perhaps a example of how such a "pay-off" contract would work?

Good luck in your project Smiley
6  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: June 06, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
Pretty hard to say how it all will pan out in the future, but i know that here in my home country (Sweden), the banks are making it more and more difficult to even deposit paper cash anymore...

For example, i sold a car recently and acctually got paid in bitcoin (azum) for about 9500$ dollars. I later sold those bitcoins to Swedish kronor(SEK) and put them in my bank account the digital route.
This all went smooth and fine, no problem from the bank at all.

Fast forward a week, i walk in with about 1700$ cash in paper money, trying to get it in my account, absolutly impossible... Their reason being that it could come from criminal acitivity witch is so contradicting as the bitcoins i sold for a much bigger ammount i never got a question about....

Just saying that just until recently putting money in the bank here in sweden was pretty easy. Today old people that have saved paper money for years can´t get it in the bank, because the bank want a report on every single SEK/USD to accept it. A Swedish newspaper recently wrote about this as a old man could not get money he saved in his attic whole his life in cash, because he could not prove where every Krona came from...

I dont know if these two things are connected, but it feels weird. Money basically is just digital code anyways now, a full implementation of crypto currencies does not seem to far away IMO!

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 06, 2017, 11:31:00 PM
Is it possible to set specific GPU´s to dual mine and some to solo mine on the same rig? Say in a 6x gpu rig 3 would dual mine and 3 would solo mine. If this is possible, help with the config would be appreciated, thx!

Yes.  You would setup 2 separate calls to EthDcrMiner64.exe, each setting the -di parameter to indicate which GPUs to allocate to that particular mining task.

For example: 
EthDcrMiner64.exe -epool eth.coinmine.pl:4000 -ewal lazyturtle.1 -epsw x -di 012 -dpool sia.suprnova.cc:7777 -dwal lazyturtle-dpsw x -dcoin sia -allpools 1
EthDcrMiner64.exe -epool eth.coinmine.pl:4000 -ewal lazyturtle.1 -epsw x -di 345


Thank you for this, exactly what i was looking for, works perfectly!
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 06, 2017, 11:55:39 AM
Is it possible to set specific GPU´s to dual mine and some to solo mine on the same rig? Say in a 6x gpu rig 3 would dual mine and 3 would solo mine. If this is possible, help with the config would be appreciated, thx!
First post......RTFM.

What first post? can´t find any information in claymores first post that shows how you would do what i ask for?......

Maybe you did not read my question? RTFQ
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 06, 2017, 02:24:59 AM
Is it possible to set specific GPU´s to dual mine and some to solo mine on the same rig? Say in a 6x gpu rig 3 would dual mine and 3 would solo mine. If this is possible, help with the config would be appreciated, thx!
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 06, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I have been mining more than 48 hours and when i check the miner the hashrate is always at 42.9 but today my avarage hashrate starts to dop what could be the problem?


Your effective hashrate is calculated by the shares your miner manages to accept.

With that said its a variable that does not always follow your exact hashrate. It is normal with variations, sometimes it´s higher and sometimes it´s lower then what your current reported hashrate is.Smiley
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 05, 2017, 05:12:44 PM
Hello everyone. I have a problem with one of my rigs.

I get the ""WATCHDOG: GPU 0 hangs in OpenCL call, exit" problem after about 20-60 min running the claymore miner. It started tough with that my miner was loosing internet connection after running a while. When i fixed that by installing new network adapter drivers, the connection was stable but the GPU´s started to give 0.00 mh´s after a while, until getting the error message.

I did overclock the rig in the beggining, but i have reseted the MSI afterburner settings to default and i also did a bios mod, but i flashed the cards back to the original bios. I also dont think that the bios mod was the problem, because i have 3 more rigs with rx 470 with the same mod, and they all work great.

Specs:
Intel Celeron G1840 Processor
Asrock H81 Pro BTC motherboard
6x AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB
4GB DDR3 Memory
60GB SDD Harddisk
1000W Gold power supply
Windows 10 operating system

I have already tried to:

- Run the miner with the gser and eser commands and have also tried both dual and solo mining(both have same problems).
- fresh install of both operating system and Gpu drivers (first gpu drivers with DDU and after that operating system).
- Checked every riser, but they all work on a diffrent system so thats not the problem.
- Setting virtual memory to atleast 16000
- Tried old claymore miners, from 6.3 and up, same problem.

I dont really know what to do at this point, would really appreciate help if someone knows what might be causing this. Smiley

leave 1 card only, remove other cards a mine for 2 hours. If the miner does not crash replace the card and repeat the test. If you do not find a "faulty card" by trying all 6 then start adding cards - two for 2 hours, 3 for 2 hours, 4 for 2 hours, 5 for 2 hours and finally 6. Post the results of these tests here.
First thing I would check is to see if Win10 changing virtual mem settings during an update(which I see you checked), or updated the drivers. Both things are on the same pop up. After checking virtual mem on the advance tab, click on the hardware tab and tell winblows to not update drivers. Winblows will update drivers as it boots. Also what are the card temps when they shut down or start spitting out opencl errors?

The temps variate between 62-70 at most at all times. I did solve this issue tough, but thanks for the response, was a weird bug in msi afterburner that would not reset my overclocking properly Smiley Thanks anyway, peace!
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 05, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
Hello everyone. I have a problem with one of my rigs.

I get the ""WATCHDOG: GPU 0 hangs in OpenCL call, exit" problem after about 20-60 min running the claymore miner. It started tough with that my miner was loosing internet connection after running a while. When i fixed that by installing new network adapter drivers, the connection was stable but the GPU´s started to give 0.00 mh´s after a while, until getting the error message.

I did overclock the rig in the beggining, but i have reseted the MSI afterburner settings to default and i also did a bios mod, but i flashed the cards back to the original bios. I also dont think that the bios mod was the problem, because i have 3 more rigs with rx 470 with the same mod, and they all work great.

Specs:
Intel Celeron G1840 Processor
Asrock H81 Pro BTC motherboard
6x AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB
4GB DDR3 Memory
60GB SDD Harddisk
1000W Gold power supply
Windows 10 operating system

I have already tried to:

- Run the miner with the gser and eser commands and have also tried both dual and solo mining(both have same problems).
- fresh install of both operating system and Gpu drivers (first gpu drivers with DDU and after that operating system).
- Checked every riser, but they all work on a diffrent system so thats not the problem.
- Setting virtual memory to atleast 16000
- Tried old claymore miners, from 6.3 and up, same problem.

I dont really know what to do at this point, would really appreciate help if someone knows what might be causing this. Smiley

leave 1 card only, remove other cards a mine for 2 hours. If the miner does not crash replace the card and repeat the test. If you do not find a "faulty card" by trying all 6 then start adding cards - two for 2 hours, 3 for 2 hours, 4 for 2 hours, 5 for 2 hours and finally 6. Post the results of these tests here.

Thanks for the answer, i managed to solve it. I did the tests and no hardware was faulty, acctually it seemed like there was some weird bug where msi afterburner would keep my overclocked settings and not going back to default even though set it to do so. Appreciate the help anyway, thanks Smiley
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 05, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
I don't get it...can anyone give a proper solution?

The Watchdog issue is very frustrating and even if I disable the WD function it's not a solution the hasrates drops anyway.

For the last hole week (over 160h) I could mine without an issue but now its back again.
WATCHDOG HANGS IN OPENCL CALL, you need to restart the miner
WATCHDOG: GPU error, you need to restart your miner


https://s8.postimg.org/4q8rf336d/Watchdog_error.png

A "Restart" never work... I need to reboot my hole system and restart everything new...this can't be.


BTW I did no changes in Bios/OC/Windows/Hardware or anything else after the last week. Riser are also OK.
I've performed only a system restart because I wanted to plott my hard disk.

If I restart my system 10-20 times after that error occured (what can be after some minutes or even hours) it will work probably for a longer time...but this can't be the way.


Appriciate about any help.


@Claymore
Do you know what can cause that issue? Could you change something in the next miner version?
Hope something can be done... it's unbelievable frustrating.


Thanks in advance.

Hello. I had the same problem for about 3 days, but atleast got it resolved. What i did was i:
*Shut off the aero theme functions in windows 10 (if you use windows)
*Disconnected all the gpu¨s, used DDU to uninstall drivers in safe mode, then reinstall drivers by connecting the gpu´s one by one and installing one by one.
*Make sure you have not made any overclocking/undervolting in MSI afterburner.
*Set the commands -etha 0 ,-gser 2-r 0, -dcri 7 and -dbg 1 in the claymore run file.
*Reinstall operative system.
*Set virtual memory to atleast 16gb

The steps are not in order, but atleast one of this fixes solved it for me. I had the exact same problem with the computer freezing and so on, so try these steps if you have not already. If it does not work it probaly is faulty hardware :/
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.4 (Windows/Linux) on: June 03, 2017, 09:40:54 PM
Hello everyone. I have a problem with one of my rigs.

I get the ""WATCHDOG: GPU 0 hangs in OpenCL call, exit" problem after about 20-60 min running the claymore miner. It started tough with that my miner was loosing internet connection after running a while. When i fixed that by installing new network adapter drivers, the connection was stable but the GPU´s started to give 0.00 mh´s after a while, until getting the error message.

I did overclock the rig in the beggining, but i have reseted the MSI afterburner settings to default and i also did a bios mod, but i flashed the cards back to the original bios. I also dont think that the bios mod was the problem, because i have 3 more rigs with rx 470 with the same mod, and they all work great.

Specs:
Intel Celeron G1840 Processor
Asrock H81 Pro BTC motherboard
6x AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB
4GB DDR3 Memory
60GB SDD Harddisk
1000W Gold power supply
Windows 10 operating system

I have already tried to:

- Run the miner with the gser and eser commands and have also tried both dual and solo mining(both have same problems).
- fresh install of both operating system and Gpu drivers (first gpu drivers with DDU and after that operating system).
- Checked every riser, but they all work on a diffrent system so thats not the problem.
- Setting virtual memory to atleast 16000
- Tried old claymore miners, from 6.3 and up, same problem.

I dont really know what to do at this point, would really appreciate help if someone knows what might be causing this. Smiley
15  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 24, 2017, 05:41:52 PM
After all, what do you want to see as a replacement for fiat, do you have any suggestions? If you are wondering that bitcoin has any chance to overcome the fiat, then you are wrong. Blockchain network is not ready at all to maintain under such a massive traffic, and the another issue is that the fees currently are exceeding the reasonable amount of money spend for commison. You cannot buy some cheap things ( e.g matchsticks or cans with drinks ) because the price would increase dramatically, because of a insanely high fee payed on every transaction

Things may change in the future

And they may change fast at that. The measures which would fix the scalability (as well as high fee) issues are already here, they just need to get implemented. Bitcoin is different from fiat, and it is a difference of kind, not of degree, and after these measures are taken, Bitcoin future adoption would only make it more fit and suitable for even wider adoption (since it is decentralized and supported by network itself). And this is where theory meets with practice, since money works better as money if it get more universal acceptance. In this sense, Bitcoin is absolute money since its adoption facilitates further adoption in a chain reaction manner making its transactions faster and cheaper

Great point deisik. I always love to read your posts =)
16  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 24, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
Hello everyone.

There is much discussion around the price of bitcoins. Some seem to believe it could fly to a million, while some believe its just a big speculation bubble ready to burst.

My personal theory is that cryptocurrency is not the bubble, but rather the needle that will burst the fiat money bubble. Trough history we have always had an easy way to attribute value to things without it. Those who believe that fiat money is the only true way often attribute their opinion to the fact that fiat money is substainsable because of its centralized nature and its history of being used as a represantation of value.

The fact that bitcoin was created in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crises clearly shows it's intent. I believe Satoshi saw how a centralized regulated market can't be substainable thanks to the egotistical and evil sides we humans all posses.

Decentralized currencies will IMO be the future. I can't peg bitcoin to a certain price it will reach in the future as i usually don't speculate that way, but rather i just develop a bias on a subject and try to indentify the crowds bias as this is what acctualy IS the trend.
The trend for decentralized currencies is bullish overall, with some currencies being more exciting then others. Invest in the cryptocurrency you believe in and do your homework, lets bring the fiat-money world down once and for all!!  Cool

Please share your opinion on the subject, this is my first post and just wanted to share my thoughts, thank you =)

LazyTurtle

I agree "cryptocurrency is not the bubble, but rather the needle that will burst the fiat money bubble."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/05/20125309437931677.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/20124395428374962.html
It's basically how I started learning about Bitcoin as well and a frame of view I have used.

The egotistical side is an interpretation but I lean towards the idea of debt and loans being the real fundamental issue that this resolves but greed is greed and it is a human attribute.

Where crypto is going and has gone since then to now I can really feel we are near mainstream usage and at the threshold I look forward to that trend continuing. Behead the fiat ^^. And Cheers

Thanks for the response and the links Smiley

Debt and loans are extreme the last years... witch unfortunatly is a product of the banks often enticing people to borrow without taking risk to account. I think you make a really good point, greed certainly is connected to debt and debt almost always eventually lead to some form of bankruptcy. I agree that debt do, as you say, make out a big portion of the problem, thanks my view changed alittle from your post and got me thinking =)
17  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 21, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
I learned alot from this post when you gave a example of a possible currency bubble in Russia. Really interesting and i see your point and agree.

Do you have any litterature you would recommend that explore these topics, or just any book that you would recommend for someone interested in economics (mostly currencies)? Or perhaps just a author you find wisdomful.

I have gone to a pretty basic course in economics and econometrics, so the book's doesnt need to be super "noob", i do have a fundamental understanding of the more basics concepts

Nowadays, I've stopped reading anything except manuals and tech articles

I'm mostly writing myself these days. Nevertheless, the bulk of my knowledge comes mostly from the real life observations and communicating with people who know more than me in a certain field of human activity. For example, right now I'm interested in the specifics of carry-trade (I mentioned it before) since it is of practical interest to me. When I have time I will certainly look into what real currency traders have to say on the matter (I'm not so much interested in theory as its application in practice). if you are still interested which books had most influence on my understanding of economics in general (or just left a trace in my memory), I could name a couple still. This is the Principles of Economics by Carl Menger, the farther of Austrian school of economics (though this doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with everything they teach) and Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. The latter just makes an interesting read on its own and thus should be read by anyone (it is an easy reading but still rather informative)

Thank you for taking time to make a few mentions and for explaining your view on learning! <3
18  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 21, 2017, 12:41:50 PM
Hyperinflation basically means that the value of money itself collapses, but since bubbles in currencies rarely change the purchasing power of money, they are inconsequential to hyperinflation. Essentially, they are just short-term speculations when the price of money (in terms of other currencies) gets divorced from its value (in terms of goods it can buy). When the currency bubble bursts the price of money goes back to its real value (so called "fair price"), which is determined in the way I explained in one of my previous posts (namely, by the amount of money over the quantity of goods)

I mixed together the terms value and price, thats why i was confused. Thanks for clearing that up, it was interesting to discuss with you!  Grin

You are welcome

This may in fact sound like an obscure and convoluted theory, but this regretfully is as real as shit. Many local fiats get "hyped up" (I'm using the terminology from the cryptoworld but it fits well even with real fiat currencies), i.e. their price against reference currencies (say, the US dollar) rises in nominal terms, but it counterintuitively doesn't lower inflation rates in these countries (which would mean real value of that currency rising). For example, the Russian ruble has been rising against the dollar for over a year till now already, so you might intuitively expect that the inflation in Russia should be at least on par with the inflation in the US, while in reality it is nowhere near the case since it has been times greater during this year (as it was years before). The chart below shows the exchange rate of the US dollar to the Russian ruble



I guess this is the best approximation to a currency "bubble" which we could come up with

I learned alot from this post when you gave a example of a possible currency bubble in Russia. Really interesting and i see your point and agree.

Do you have any litterature you would recommend that explore these topics, or just any book that you would recommend for someone interested in economics (mostly currencies)? Or perhaps just a author you find wisdomful.

I have gone to a pretty basic course in economics and econometrics, so the book's doesnt need to be super "noob", i do have a fundamental understanding of the more basics concepts.

I would really appreciate if you would take the time to give a few tips, i like the way you think and would like to adopt a part of that in my economic thinking.

Thanks   Smiley
19  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 20, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
But as you mention, the famous George Soros did manipulate the exchange with speculation, having a practical effect on the value of the currency. Thus showing that fiat money's value is heavily influenced by speculation, i am confused to where you stand on the issue now? I see contradictions in your original posts with what you write now, so please clarify if there's something i missed.
As you said earlier you had trouble even imagine how i could believe speculation being a factor, but now saying its obvious that it is?

George Soros shorted the pound, just in case

But that's irrelevant since when I talked about the fiat value I referred to value, not price. Basically, price is what you pay, value is what you get. In this way, by value I mean the amount of goods which the unit of a certain currency can buy. If you consider the value of money (what you can buy with it), it will be hard to imagine how you can inflate it without expanding the real economy while keeping the amount of money in circulation the same. That would mean price deflation, and it is even more dangerous than inflation, but this is another question. To better understand what I mean think of the money value in terms of goods that you can buy with it. How are you going inflate this value by pure speculation?

You also wrote " I suspect there cannot be bubbles of that kind with fiat currencies. The examples you give refer to severe currency devaluations. Obviously, the latter have nothing to do with speculative bubbles, though the end result is essentially the same (i.e. dramatic loss of value)"


Well first of all, as i said earlier this was a case of hyperinflation. Hyperinflation is very connected to bubbles witch would dissprove that statement(IMO)

Hyperinflation basically means that the value of money itself collapses, but since bubbles in currencies rarely change the purchasing power of money, they are inconsequential to hyperinflation. Essentially, they are just short-term speculations when the price of money (in terms of other currencies) gets divorced from its value (in terms of goods it can buy). When the currency bubble bursts the price of money goes back to its real value (so called "fair price"), which is determined in the way I explained in one of my previous posts (namely, by the amount of money over the quantity of goods)

I mixed together the terms value and price, thats why i was confused. Thanks for clearing that up, it was interesting to discuss with you!  Grin
20  Economy / Economics / Re: The fiat-money bubble! on: April 20, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
My personal theory is that cryptocurrency is not the bubble, but rather the needle that will burst the fiat money bubble. Trough history we have always had an easy way to attribute value to things without it. Those who believe that fiat money is the only true way often attribute their opinion to the fact that fiat money is substainsable because of its centralized nature and its history of being used as a represantation of value

Right now it is (for the most part, at least)

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies fit well into the definition of a financial bubble. I could even claim that Bitcoin is a sort of tulipomania. Just like tulips, bitcoins are useful for some purpose, namely, for transferring value around the world while completely bypassing centralized (real controlled) entities like banks, but Bitcoin current price is by no means determined by this utility. Most of Bitcoin value today comes from sheer speculation. Whether Bitcoin bubble is going to pop eventually or its real use as a currency will finally match its use as a speculative vehicle is not clear as of yet

There's a major difference between tulips and Bitcoin.  Tulips were not a very good money.  Bitcoin is designed to be a money, with anonymity and security built into an electronic architecture, in addition to the usual monetary properties like durability, divisibility, etc.

Anyone can claim anything is a bubble, really.  (Except for items that you can use directly and are priced only for that value -- these will never fulfill the vital role of money.)  Any claim to wealth (that is transferable) must rely on the confidence of the crowd -- a network effect that says, since other people think it has value, I think it has value.  When that network effect collapses, the claim's value is gone.

The main problem with state-issued money is that, while it enjoys powerful support by the state-bank alliance, all individual members of the elites have the incentives to destabilize their own money, by issuing too much money, by borrowing too much, by using deception to prop up their system temporarily, etc. -- all the history we know.  So, fiat money, almost by definition, must collapse.  The very strongest ones in history retain a small fraction of their purchasing power.

Yea i agree, everything without any "practical value" as food, shelter etc has a risk of becoming a bubble. People do love to speculate.

Really any value into anything without "real" value, is as you say, based upon the crowds perception of what SHOULD be the price of a particular object (paper,rocks whatever). Kind of like a mutual agreement to get the society up and running, trading resources constantly wouldn't be very practical as we know.

I dont think the fiat money is evil in itself, but people are just to prone for corruption for a fully centralized currency to really work. I personally see the confidence level for bank and government here in Sweden drop more and more and how anybody could have confidence in the USA banks/government i would never be able to understand. Kind of been declining here in Sweden (the confidence) since the USA and Island economic crises (witch really shows how stupid and corrupt government can be).

I totally agree with you in everything you say like that fiat money, in itself, will eventually fail. If bitcoin would be implemented as a easy-to-use currency everywhere, why would you even use a bank? IMO cryptocurrencies basically have most of the pros that fiat has, but not the biggest cons (like corruption).

Using state-issued money or bitcoins, in my world this choice boils down to "do i trust myself to manage my funds, or do i trust a corporation with a history littered of corruption?"

Personally i rather manage my personal wealth without a overhanging shadow seeing every financial move i make, my confidence lies in myself, not banks!
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