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1  Local / 挖矿 / 关于ASICME发货及其他 on: August 10, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
先说说我是谁:郝海龙,ASICME团队成员,如果大家有印象,我是ASICME团队第一篇文章《我们的征途是星辰大海》的作者。

自从两个多月之前ASICME团队出现在公众视野中之后,对我们的骂声不断。首先是有人说我们是骗子,做不出矿机来,这个我们认了。毕竟比特币行业刚刚兴起,懂的人不多,却有币值飙升的诱惑,正是骗子入市的好时机。产品没出来难免被骂。(我的文章也没少遭骂,说我贬低了理想主义这个词,我只能呵呵一下了。我一直反对货币由中央银行来发行,不过恐怕比特币圈子里知道我的人还不多。)

直到我们6月底出了样机,关于我们能力的骂声才稍有缓和。我们可以说是除了南瓜张自己的团队之外,其他所有基于Avalon芯片的团队最早制造出样机的团队,而样机的芯片是我们通过高价收购Avalon现货矿机获取的,一切都是为了赶时间。

我们在预售矿机时,承诺如果南瓜张按时发货,我们就在矿机售出之后90天内发货。我们卖出第一台矿机的时间是6月3号,到今天为止只过了60多天。可是QQ群和论坛上骂我们不发货的声音却此起彼伏。而事实上,我们预定的南瓜张的芯片目前连个影都没看着。虽说南瓜张没有公布详细发货情况,可泡论坛的各位看看John K的帖子也应该知道什么情况了。

事实上比特币行业跳票几乎成了惯例,我们早就想到南瓜张有推迟发货的风险,而现在的情形也基本证实了我们的担心。所以在预售出去一些矿机之后,我们就觉得等下去不是办法,因为一旦南瓜张不发货,我们技术再先进,组装速度再快,也只能望着一堆已经买好的物料喟叹。没错,正如我们6月份说的那样,我们一开始就买好了各种物料等着芯片,事实上我现在住的屋子外面就堆满了成箱成箱的物料,我他妈也希望这批东西早点组成机器卖出去:这些东西在我们手上砸一天,我们的资金就多被占用一天。

正式因为预料到上面这些情况,我们很早就开始通过各种私人渠道搜集包括想办法自主研发可供挖矿的ASIC芯片。像论坛反向拍卖这种高价收购芯片的方式都用上了(这无疑会大幅降低我们利润),要知道我们完全可以就等着南瓜张发货,只要不违反承诺,我们把货发出我们的利润是能确保的。但我们没有选死等这种方式,无非就是想让用户早点获益,同时也是为我们赚点声誉。但这段时间的骂声让我觉得非常心寒,看看我们做了什么,大家是怎么回应的:

我们做了什么:

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我们通过一些私人渠道得到了一些ASIC芯片和ASIC矿机,但这批芯片和矿机不是基于南瓜张博士的avalon芯片,经过调试,可以挖矿,可是挖矿的算力非常不稳定,但是如果机器足够多,因为集群效应,可以达到一个动态平衡。这样的话我们手上有了一部分算力,但这部分算力的机器单个发出去的话,我们自己也不知道哪一台会有问题,更可能的事情是哪一台都有问题,因为有可能每一台都达不到标称的算力。但是由于我们自己有集群效应,所以可以有一部分相对稳定的挖矿产出。可我们是一个团队,虽然对比特币未来的走势持乐观态度,但一旦比特币下跌,或者挖矿难度大幅上升,我们自己也必将面临赔本风险。于是我们决定出售一部分算力,如果赚到了,大家都开心,如果亏了,也不至于把风险全砸在我们团队身上。于是我们按照这种不稳定的机器的生产速度逐渐放出算力销售。

大家是怎么回应的:

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杨曜睿你个大骗子!自己有矿机自己挖,就是不给我们发货。

我晕,我们承诺发出的是基于“南瓜张博士”的Avalon芯片的机器,现在发一台并非基于“南瓜张博士”的avalon芯片的机器,你能饶了我们?我们发出的矿机有标称算力,如果你回去发现算力每天都在变,你能饶了我们?我们承诺发的整机,而我们这些不稳定的算力机器在我这种不太懂技术的人看着都头晕,这样的机器给你还要自行配置大半天,你能饶了我们?

我敢说以阁下骂人的水准,上面这三种情况哪一种出现了,都恨不得让我们吃不了兜着走吧?而我们用来出售算力的矿机上面三种情况都占。

也罢,在中国做生意,你一直履行承诺也难免受制于人情。于是我们暂停了算力销售,事实上,我们经过核算,算力销售获利也最多就够我们团队运转的。现在这部分矿机虽然我们自己部署在了机房,可是我们自己要承担比特币币值变动风险。我们不得不把这部分收益即时换成法币,用来支付我们研发以及机房运转各项费用。今天挖一个比特币换100美元,明天可能就是80美元,虽然后天可能回到120,可是谁知道呢?这种提心吊胆的汇率波动我们必须自己承受。

算力销售暂停后,用户的骂声仍然不止。主要还是在说不发货的问题。可是天地良心,我们在阁下订购矿机时订购的avalon芯片现在连个沙粒都没见着——我们也想要芯片!

不过这时我们手上也通过一些私人渠道搞到了一些珍贵的Avalon芯片。考虑到我们卖算力确实伤害了矿机客户的感情,于是我们又做了什么:

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我们决定给第一批矿机用户(北京时间6月9日24:00前订购并在淘宝确认收货的用户)提前发货。这一批用户的矿机将于8月10号至8月30号陆续发出,同时我们又承诺如果发货出现问题,我们就用自己的资金来弥补用户的损失。

8月10号就是今天(现在应该算是昨天了)。可是我们的ME20和ME80确实还没有调试好,确实还存在着问题,但是第一台320可以发出了。我们的不愿意让先购买矿机的用户后收到矿机,于是我们践行承诺,给第一台ME320之前的所有客户提供8月10号开始的算力收益支付。事实上,我们有信心在承诺的发货时间范围内把第一批用户的矿机全部发完。即便我们做不到,这对我们没有任何好处,我们必须按照客户矿机的算力支付挖矿收益。如果矿机到了你手上,可能还有断电断网的风险,而我们相当于在替客户承担这部分风险。

那么,大家是怎么回应的呢?

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“我就要机器。凭什么只给320发?”(买了ME20和ME80的用户如是说。)

我们解释说机器没调试好,没办法发矿机,但我们愿意支付挖矿收益。可是客户怎么说的呢:

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“为什么只造320,不造我的ME20.”

我觉得吧,做事情要有个底线。

我们最早承诺的是90天内发货(而且是我们订购的南瓜张芯片按时发货的情况下)。咱们先假设一下:如果我们到最后没有实现自己的承诺,我想赔钱也算是仁至义尽的解决方案了吧,总不至于我ME20造不出来,你就要我项上人头。

我们第二个承诺并没有说我们一定能发出货来,但是如果我们发不出来,我们愿意承担不发货造成的挖矿收益损失。也就是说,我们并没有违反最早的承诺,但却已经开始给你赔钱了,而第二个承诺我们压根就没有违反。

至于你问我为什么只造320不造20和80,我想答案很简单。首先我们三种型号的机器都有,只是目前20和80不稳定,还需要时间调试,这样的机器不敢发给你,怕阁下口下不留情。但凡新造一个东西就可能存在不稳定的情况,只是这个情况现在出现在了20和80上。提前发货怕的就是这个问题,我们没有选择让用户承担损失,而是选择自己来承担。我实在不明白我们做错了什么。

我们现在几乎是能组装出一台avalon的矿机就发一台,8月份随后还会陆续发出一些矿机。

如果哪位客户对提前发货有什么不满意的,就按原计划来,我们等着南瓜张的芯片,我们就按原计划90天发货。如果哪位有这方面需求的,随时和我们联系,我一定会在你下一次弄哭我们可爱的客服小姑娘之前满足你的愿望。
 
2  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 有没有相对准确的计算方法可以算出目前持有或使用比特币的人数? on: August 03, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
作为一个经济学学生,对于比特币的币值以及未来走向非常感兴趣。如果要做一些相对合理的预测和研究,需要一个大致的比特币持有人数。不知道有没有一种相对准确的计算方法可以算出目前持有或使用比特币的人数?如有,还望不吝赐教。

另,前两天在论坛里看到一个贴子讨论比特币持有人数的问题,有人估计目前的持有人数月20万到50万之间,我不知道这个估计有没有一个相对合理的依据。
3  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 【不考虑入场费】大家更愿意在那个股票交易所购买股票? on: July 29, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
比特币股票交易所这么多,比较主流的有MPEx(主流吗?),BTC-TC,BitFunder,想看看大家觉得哪个平台感觉最好,并说说理由。
4  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 比特币每周十问(1):我为什么如此热衷比特币 on: July 04, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
比特币每周十问(1):我为什么如此热衷比特币

原文链接 http://t.cn/zQhu5DT (本文首发于「新浪科技创事记:http://tech.sina.com.cn/zl/post/detail/2013-07-04/pid_8430368.htm」,发布时有改动)

文/郝海龙

Q1 为什么如此热衷比特币?

A: 因为他是一种最接近我理想中货币形式的货币:不依靠任何政府或者中央银行机构,完全按照一套固定的生成规则发行。尽管它在我看来可能还有一些缺陷,但我更愿意把它看成是一种自由货币的发端,从这个意义上讲,我把整个比特币经济圈都当成是一场社会实验。实验当然存在失败的可能性,可人类社会也是在不断的试错中发展的。但为了自己的理想做实验是一件幸福的事情,我已经为实验失败做了充足的准备。我的所有关于比特币的看法都是基于这个前提的,所以请不要把我这个系列的文章当作投资建议。非要听投资建议的话,我想说,高风险高收益。比特币的市值几千倍的涨,对应前面那句话,想想风险有多高。

Q2 如果没有政府担保,凭什么相信这种货币?

A: 一个理性的人应该对任何事情都持怀疑态度,一个有人情味的理性的人至少对骗过他的人要持怀疑态度。所以说在问这个问题之前,建议翻翻历史,看看当权者骗过我们多少次呢?我想比你十个前女友加起来都多。对于我来说,宁愿相信一个看得明白的规则,也不愿相信一个曾经几次三番骗过我的人的承诺。

当然你可以说为了爱,我不在乎她骗我多少次。塞浦路斯那些和你一样想法的人眼睁睁的看着自己手里的钞票变成了银行的股票,而且还是被套牢的股票,这就是爱的代价。

Q3 既然你觉得政府不靠谱,你的意思是该把所有前都换成比特币?

A: 这个,我再说一遍,「一个理性的人应该对任何事情都持怀疑态度,一个有人情味的理性的人至少对骗过他的人要持怀疑态度。」你应该在很多地方听到过这样一句话:「不要把所有的鸡蛋全放在一个篮子里。」塞浦路斯的人如果不把所有资产全压在本国货币上,而是持有美元,欧元,人民币等等各种货币和资产的话,金融危机也不会对他们有太大打击。比特币完全可以成为你放鸡蛋的一个篮子。当然,如果你真的想把自己所有的鸡蛋全砸在一个篮子里以博取高收益的话,也是你个人的自由选择,而且确实有人这么做,看看瑞典海盗党的创始人Rickard Falkvinge就知道了。

Q4 那比特币到底是一种用什么担保的货币呢?

A: 如果说非要有担保的话,就是用信用担保的货币。有人愿意接受这种货币,那么你就能用这种货币来买东西。

Q5 那如果背后的信用体系崩塌了,岂不就变成一堆无用的二进制数字了?

A: 说得好,塞浦路斯货币已经接近一堆白纸和数字了。

Q6 你是否觉得比特币在未来某一天会消亡?

A: 肯定会有这么一天,但我觉得不太可能是因为信用崩塌。我觉得愿意接受它的人的群体一旦形成规模,就很难倒退回去,毕竟没有什么机构在那里疯狂印比特币让你手里的资产贬值。我更愿意相信比特币消亡的那一天是另一种新的更好的货币取代比特币的那一天。不过还是那句话,既然是社会实验,就存在实验失败的可能性。

Q7 照你这么说,比特币会威胁到政府的货币发行权,难道政府不会出台措施封禁掉比特币么?

A: 比特币是一种基于P2P技术的货币,政府要关停一个基于P2P技术的东西的难度和封禁全网差不多,所以哪怕真的有一天比特币威胁到了政府对金融的控制,政府也要权衡封禁这种虚拟货币的代价。何况,要撼动政府货币发行权没有想象的那么容易。

Q8 如果大家都用比特币了,政府的税收怎么解决啊?(一个法国人问我的问题)

A: 我觉得吧,别替政府瞎操心了,政府想收你钱有的是办法,还是先关心一下自己的养老金能否取出来比较靠谱。

Q9 有人说比特币交易市场有「庞氏骗局」的某些特征,你怎么看?

A: 你只是说有「某些特征」,那我承认,其实绝大多数投资都有「庞氏骗局」的某些特征:你都要交钱给别人,别人都会承诺给你回报,权益可交易,都存在低买高卖的情况……不是吗?但你要说这就是「庞氏骗局」,建议先查查「庞氏骗局」的定义,相信我,虽然这个术语很唬人,但定义你肯定能看明白。

Q10 现在大家对比特币的狂热怎么看着像17世纪荷兰的郁金香花球泡沫呢?

A: 其实和上一个问题一样,很多东西都有相似的地方。一些人很狂热的做事情,无论具体在做什么,看他们的样子都差不多。但是类比的时候除了要关注相同的地方,更要看看不同的地方,比如郁金香花球会腐败变质(就像我上一段爱情一样),但基于信用的二进制数字却天长地久。

如果你觉得本文对你有帮助,欢迎向作者捐赠比特币:
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5  Other / Beginners & Help / Our Conquest is the sea of stars on: June 28, 2013, 11:44:49 PM
Our Conquest is the sea of stars

By Hailong Hao

“Money is much too serious a matter to be left to central bankers.”
— Milton Friedman
When Nobel laureate Milton Friedman wrote down these words, he may not have expected that within three years after his death, people began to use Bitcoin (Bitcoin, BTC), a virtual currency based on Internet. As advocated by Milton Friedman that the rights to issue currency should be taken away from central bank, this is quite a great social experiment in recent years. However, since a variety of economic practices that he has promoted, we are sure about one thing- he never doubted that his dream could come true.

In this sense, Dr. Friedman was regarded as a practical idealist. Nobel Prize is not easy to get hands on, but there has never been short of idealists. Except speculators, these idealists are an important reason why Bitcoin could spread and still strong today. I think ASICME.COM’s founder Yaorui Yang could be counted as one of those idealists.

When I first got in touch with him, Yaorui was just releasing Bitcoin miner development plans. Because of the soaring market value of Bitcoin recently, media has a lot of reports about it. (There is one thing for sure in China, if an Internet product is in CCTV news, it must has become very popular in Internet.) At the same time, a large number of mining teams mushroomed in the market. However, the core hardware Avalon chips made by Dr. "Pumpkin Zhang,” need reservation to buy, most of these teams are selling “futures” in terms of this circumstance. So does ASICME.COM team. As a doctoral student in economics, I keep my eyes on Bitcoin since it released. Although I did not mining many, I am so interest in this worldwide social experiment. I ordered a miner from butterflylabs (of course, it is also a future). Since butterfly team has “bounced check” history, I even suspect that I may end up with leaving the machine on the shelf for two decades after I get them and then sell them as historic souvenirs. So I decided to book one more and I finally chose to order  from ASICME.COM. And this is how I finally become part of  ASICME.COM team.

The reason why I chose them seems ridiculous. When I saw a photo of Yaorui, I thought he was a crazy man. However, from the wild face I could feel the entrepreneurial spirit inside. On his Douban’s(a SNS website in china) home page, there is a list of the things he was engaged. It appears that he is a person who follows his heart and does whatever he is interested in. But, only the people following their hearts are able to understand how difficult it is - because such a person should be responsible for an idea that casually comes in his mind.

Later I found that he is anarchist. The reason to join Bitcoin business is to fulfill his dream. “isn’t it for money?” You are right, it is also for money. God will not allow if idealists could not make money. But compared to the “money only” team, the team with a dream is more sincere. If you believe that the rights to issue currency should not be given to central banks, you will feel just the existence of Bitcoin is a wonderful thing. If you do not have the similar experience, I strongly  advice you to have a try; trust me, you will not be disappointed. Our team is such a group of people.

If we did not have common ideal, you could hardly imagine how the people like us could do business together:

Yaorui Yang(Sanya / Lhasa): initiator, co-founder of renren.com (“Chinese facebook”), founder of the ASICME.COM, owns a surfing club, and a inn in Tibet.

Le Kang (Beijing / Hong Kong): manager of big customers, jiepang.com ex-operations director, Commercial Director of breadtrip.com.

Hardware Team Leader (Beijing): Senior Hardware Engineer, 7 years experience in hardware development, five years of experience in FPGA development. Specializes in high-speed digital signal processing hardware design.
  
Software Team Leader (Beijing): 7 years experience in the development of embedded systems, industrial product development experience. A well-known mobile phone chip company engaged in the development of the underlying software. Specializes in hardware and software development and Linux systems development and software-hardware combined adjusting.
  
Hailong Hao (Paris): PhD Student in Economics
  
Wenpei Xu(Xiamen): Executive Director of FuJian WanXingLong Group

Jingwen Xu(Shanghai): Master in Designing management, cofounder of a independent brand, ex-brand planner in Ormosia group

Ya Jia (Beijing): Formerly worked in an Asian top-five hedge funds, Chief strategy officer of a luxury website.

Shuang Geng(Beijing): customer service, HR of automobile consultant company

Zhan Jin(Wuxi): customer service, Hezhifushi customer service team leader

San Ye (Wuxi): customer service, Hezhifushi customer service

...
If we merely have the ideal, our project would not complete financing in just seven days and successfully released. We are all in part-time to do this and we are in different parts of the world. Decentralization meets the idea of bitcoin, and I believe it’s no coincidence. If we do not trust the Internet, neither bitcoin nor our collaboration can generate so much energy.
  

Let’s talk about the products. Otherwise someone will think I was some "life coach" who only talks about dreams. We are developing the first generation of mining machines using chips from another company, Avalon, and have titled this line of products “ASICME Avalon”. They are foolproof and plug-and-play devices, so you do not need a computer to operate them. Meanwhile, ASICME improves upon flaws present in the original Avalon machine. The most powerful in this linup can mine approximately 88 Bitcoins per month at current mining difficulty level (a calculator for mining is here), which is based on the strongest ASICME 320 models and also supports extensions. The most important thing is that we have booked batches of Avalon chips, and we promise: if we can receive the chips on time, we ship the miner in 90 days after you order. Because of Dr. Pumpkin Zhang's credibility in the industry, we believe that we can delivery on time.

If you have Avalon Chips, we are pleased to produce our bitcoin miners for you, no matter where are you live in. We will deliver miner in 15-20 days after we received your chips. We will compensate customers for any loss incurred in the event of a chip failure.  

Yaorui Yang, the founder, tweeted on Weibo.com (Chinese twitter) recently, “Our Conquest is the sea of stars”.  Those who are familiar with Legend of Galactic Heroes should also be familiar with these words. However if the earth is still not in “universal harmony”, how can we say we can start our odyssey in the universe? This sentence may become a romantic fantasy. But I would say that a currency, which can circulate worldwide without coercive power by any government, is exactly a start of “universal harmony”. In this sense, we have embarked on a journey of the first step. ”Our Conquest is the sea of stars."

[More details see ASICME official website ASICME.COM]

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