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I get strange feelings reading users been sure of themselves saying with full conviction that bottom price for bitcoin is 7000, 6000, 5000...  drawing waves and lines on selective parts of charts...  Guys, come on!
Let me clear a little bit where we are right now as an ecosystem. Bitcoin is still just a speculative commodity with highly manipulative and artificial price making. As bitcoin market is "too free"- even black market operators see its as a risk of loosing money, so they prefer old but more reliable dirty cash. So there are ICOs(just another bubble) , gambling and speculators of all sizes. That is the foundation of bitcoin economy. No manufacturing, no big investment funds into something real and stable like textile. Just speculators.
I remind you, after everybody knew about bitcoin and there were already industrial mining price was stagnant around 100$ +-40% .  Then came the market-makers and started their waves. Good old pump and dump came to bitcoin. What we saw last two years is just another wave of pump and dump. And if not strange buy and sell habits that changed price in steps should have tipped you off, then the  amazing syncing of movement and absolute price on all major exchanges. There is no way for bitcoin price to be  exactly same on all exchanges unless there is some coordination or price fixing.
I can see some substance for bitcoin price to be around 400 or 700, but 4-7000?  No, thats a pump.
Now, what is really we should be worried about: will there be mass closure of exchanges with frozen funds and mass scam showed to all?(they are all ready been investigated). Or, will there be another coin created by the same pumpers, and bitcoin killed as an example for crypto enthusiasts at the same time as the new coin will be pumped for two years.
If next 10 years international markets will get turbulent (and likely they will) some country more respected then Venezuela can blink and go for their own bitcoin in desperate try to save themselves. Where will Bitcoin be then?

There are several reasons:

1. (The most important) Bitcoin is Exempt from VAT, Rules European Court of Justice. BTC=Money. If you make value in BTC price rise there will be no tax deducted. Also This means that victimization of bitcoin universe will stop. This chain of events also opens doors for china residents to transfer funds out. That is where all this money comes from. You may ask why there was big lag in price surge, well big money have some lag in them. you need desicions to be made in meeting rooms and banks need time to trunsfer funds.

2. There was some caution over mine power destribution ... it all been in China on stolen electrisity and all. Now that there are big mines created outside China, the is more safety for any bitcoin investments(PS first point would not work without the second)

3. As the bitcoin keeps surviving all the odds, there is more trust from the public. And that takes time. Longer bitcoin stays alive, more trust it will have.

4. Waves. There was like 2 year downtrend. And 200$ basicly is pure mining cost. Market can go lower but when all cheap and old bitcoins  will be sold we will push off the 200 mark up.

5. Consensus on block size is good news from all sides

If you have anything to add, pls wright below.

PS i dont know is this super surge will go to the moon, or last, so be carefull

Well I dont see any Real Reasons for this crash.
What is happening? Speculator mayham thas what! You can clearly see local bots team up on saying its the end of the world all over forum))
Also if you look closely you will see that the market-makers were not ready for bitstamp problems and patiantly waited for it to resume operation to have more ground to trade on, and so earn more. Oh, they know what they are doing))) They are good at it. For someone this is horrible crash and tragedy, but this is speculator heaven for them)
What would be the Real Reasons for bitcoin world to end?
1)Deep algorythm problems
2)Super strong competitor
This is not the case so relax

возможно неправильно с моей стороны писать уже со скепсисом в голове, но почитав это подавляющее трололо в разделе "для кодеров" ....даже не знаю что и думать.
сразу прошу товарищей со звездной болезнью, а так же считающих что они гениальные тролли и все должны их читать -НЕ ОТПИСЫВАТЬСЯ !

Итак, ищу кодера которому интересно строить "своё дело". Речь идёт о сервисах под мир биткоина.
Соответственно C++   web   mobile platforms(pref.)
Ожидается высокая работоспособность и профессионализм.
Повторяю ещё раз, интерес должен быть продиктован, в первую очередь, желанием построить "своё дело" и получить часть пирога , который ведь не факт что испекётся как запланировано. Соответственно никаких запросов а ля "хочу новую машину каждую неделю". Дело должно быть вам интересно как соучредителю!!!
Со своей стороны готов обеспечить  весь маркетинг(бренд, позиционирование, реклама,PR, промоушн и т.п.- соответственно и вливания под эти все цели), +так же определенный протекторат проектов и инвестиции на более поздних этапах в случае удачной реализации.
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If you look at market stats closely you could notice that for the last two month allmost 2 millions of bitcoins was withdrawn from circulation.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/btcnCNY#rg120zigWeeklyztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg120zigWeeklyztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg120zigWeeklyztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

and as you know this is 17% of all existing bitcoins
in half a year or so we could witness very interasting situation when majority of bitcoins will be out of circulation wich will drive price of the rest of them through the roof(which is the goal perhaps)

[1) It’s New!]

Well not 10 but 11 reasons, round numbers seem to look better))))
All of the following is my humble opinion about bitcoin future from the marketing point of view.
So here we go:

1)   It’s New!
Bitcoin is a new and fresh thing. And there is always a factor of interest for something totally new and just gaining popularity. Whether this wave will be short or long, the main thing it exists.

2)   Freedom
There is always demand for a way to trade free and bitcoin is the only way today to do it. (altcoins still very small and underdeveloped). FIA currencies  hold so many limitation and borders , they hardly could be called a free way for trading today.

3)   Privacy
This is actually very big and complex issue. Privacy is needed not only for selling illegal stuff, but needed  by general public as well. Whether it is psychologically motivated or legit need for fund safety. Principals of Secrecy and  sanctity of property rights were untouchable but not anymore. Cyprus was just a warm-up, test for the incoming actual attack on property rights all around the world.
Just recently ended long respected era of bank secrecy in swiss banks
http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/swiss-sign-last-rites-banking-secrecy-oecd-100647333.html

4)   Safety
Today banks are not actually safe way to hold to your money anymore. Banking crisis, high possibility of money theft, shifts in personal rights politics and many more. Bank can freeze your account or even take away a part of your money like they did all over the world. (again Cyprus is the most graphic example). Bitcoin gives you today maybe the highest level of money safety and freedom.
Bitcoin is the first structure that gains its safety not by political or cultural decisions but from great open source code. This is actually kind of “New Era” stuff.

5)   Market stats
Whatever the reasons are, crypto-currency  market is growing, and it’s a fact. So the tendency will continue for some time. People believe in what they see so stats are not only “conclusion” but also a “reason”.
You can look here for number of transactions growth stats
http://blockchain.info/en/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
And here for market capitalization
http://blockchain.info/charts/market-cap?timespan=1year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

6)   Black market factor
It is all about reasons 2, 3 and 4, but what I am trying to say here is little bit different. Total black market capacity of the world is more than 2 trillion US dollars. And BM actually needs systems like bitcoin. So we will witness a big  shift towards bitcoin with those groups, I think.


7)   Limited emission and mining
As you know bitcoin code limits daily emission of coins into the network, so there is no regulatory or any other softening factor to limit deficit when it hits the market. So significant deflation kicks in. And though mining difficulty does not have direct effect on BTC price, it still kind of does, as bitcoin quantity is limited in the end.

8 )   Herd instinct
Even not very good or valuable products can witness the herd instinct effect. When everyone uses twitter(service with very limited functionality), a lot of people kind of subconsciously want to use it too. In some cases you will even have to follow the public in case if you need to reach that group of people. The effect is also witnessed at vogue waves. So the more people will use bitcoin, the more new ones will follow them. So it can kind of  snowball at some point.

9)   Geek effect
Geeks are a very big group of people and bitcoin is as cutting edge as it gets. So it is match made in heaven. We already can see a huge support from fans of new technology. For some it’s “just for fun”, for others it’s lifestyle or even ideology.

10)   Free market gap
1,5 billion dollar “capitalization” today is a drop at the sea. There is a huge market for that kind of financial instrument and there is no actual competition. Altcoins are trailing behind and IT corporations are afraid to start a new currency.

11)   Hidden functions
Well, not actually hidden, but not used. Bitcoin code gives us much more financial instruments then most people even know. Like futures trading, betting, sharing info, securing links, contract registration and so much more. As new bitcoin functions will be discovered by the public, more people will get involved.

I know that some reasons are part of another and my “factors” are from very different fields of marketing. I am not trying to pass the test! I am trying to make a point.

PS
i know there are many ppl still using this for explanation behind bitcoin growth. sadly i did not have enough funds to diversify my investment and wex nz took everything i had. if you can help in any way pls contact me.
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We need some kind of BTC mining index that will show average price of mining of 1 BTC
It will be a great instrument for traders and mining investors

I understand that calculating it will be deficult because all custom chips are kind of a black market but still we need it in any aproximation
what do you think?