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I think it's amazing that millions of people are about to accept using that. But anyway, I'm all about free market and I have nothing against private currencies after all.
So, what should we do about that? Is is good news for the liberalisation of currencies? Will it contribute to make people think about what is money?
I think that it will be important to offer a plateform exchange with this currency. I hope the main bitcoin exchange websites will integrate it as soon as the facebook credit is released.
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This is so cool !!! $ apt-cache show bitcoin-cli Package: bitcoin-cli Priority: optional Section: utils Installed-Size: 1276 Maintainer: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@NO_SPAM> Architecture: i386 Source: bitcoin Version: 0.3.19~dfsg-6 Depends: libboost-filesystem1.42.0 (>= 1.42.0-1), libboost-program-options1.42.0 (>= 1.42.0-1), libboost-system1.42.0 (>= 1.42.0-1), libboost-thread1.42.0 (>= 1.42.0-1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcrypto++8, libdb4.8++, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) Suggests: db4.8-util, db4.7-util Filename: pool/main/b/bitcoin/bitcoin-cli_0.3.19~dfsg-6_i386.deb Size: 487994 MD5sum: 389cd3d3647b21b56dcd66d055446511 SHA1: be640acc5be757c31a1c4ac7c51af1b6bf44129c SHA256: e66c1bfed03a453a18e022f03f4a94609b36650c39bf1f9ceb21f475e6c8d3c8 Description: peer-to-peer network based anonymous digital currency - CLI tools Bitcoin is a free open source peer-to-peer electronic cash system that is completely decentralized, without the need for a central server or trusted parties. Users hold the crypto keys to their own money and transact directly with each other, with the help of a P2P network to check for double-spending. . By default connects to an IRC network to discover other peers. . Full transaction history is stored locally at each client. This requires 150+ MB of space, slowly growing. Homepage: http://www.bitcoin.org/ |
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EDIT:
removed because it's just not a good idea. I have to think it more through.
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As you know many people don't like the idea of using CPU power in order to make so-called "useless" computations. I suspect it is possible to rigorously prove that any cryptocurrencies, providing it fulfills a few conditions, has to be based on proof-of-work, and thus on CPU. So far I can't prove it seriously, so it is just a conjecture. I'd be glad if someone with a solid maths and IT background could bring a demonstration. So it would look like: If a cryptocurrency respects the folowing criteria:
* it doesn't discriminate any node of the network ;
* the initial monetary amount available in the network is zero (apart from the genesis block) ;
Then at any time, the probability of generation of a new monetary unit for any node is proportionnal to the CPU of this node.
Obviously this relies on a theoretical, more general definition of "cryptocurrency". I won't give such a definition here but I guess you get the idea. |
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Bitcoin has quite a decent monetary value, so we should consider an alternative way of promoting bitcoin.
Instead of saying "It's great, you should use it!", one could say "Some morons are paying for this stuff, let's hack the whole thing and make a lot of money!".
One advantage of this approach is that it can help improving the security of bitcoin, and failures of hacking can be used as a promotional argument.
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Dans un récent article de ploum sur sa page utilisateur sur linuxfr ( http://linuxfr.org/~ploum), je lisais une réponse sur la difficulté avec laquelle on peut acheter des bitcoins. C'est vrai, je confirme, car je suis passé par là. Mes premiers bitcoins j'ai du les acheter en envoyant des dollars aux états unis par la poste. C'est dire! Ce qu'il faut comprendre c'est que le bitcoin c'est une monnaie électronique "dure" (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_money#Hard_vs_soft_electronic_currencies), donc c'est normal que ce soit pas évident de l'acheter avec une monnaie légère (soft money). Parce qu'une transaction dans une monnaie légère peut être annulée du jour au lendemain. Ça me fait penser à une remarque que me faisait quelqu'un quand je lui disais que l'or, ça s'achète pas avec une carte de crédit. Il ne comprenait pas pourquoi, et sur le coup j'avoue que je ne savais pas trop quoi lui répondre. Maintenant je sais. Bref, j'envisage sérieusement d'organiser des rencontres physiques, par exemple dans un lieu public avec accès internet, pour échanger des bitcoins. Les jardins publics parisiens ont un accès wifi gratuit, et me paraissent donc un bon endroit. En cas d'intempéries un cyber café ou une bibliothèque devrait faire l'affaire. C'est peut-être un peu tôt, mais si des gens se manifestent, j'organiserai ça par exemple une fois par mois. Genre, chaque premier dimanche du mois. |
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It's basically based upon PHP and MySQL. Good thing about this is that it is open-source, although I had never heard about this license (Open Software License). It might be interesting to modify it and to have it support bitcoin, possibly using the PHP API to mybitcoin.com, for instance. I suck at PHP though, and I hate Apache. But hopefully someone would like to work on this. www.prestashop.com |
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Vous êtes français, ou du moins francophone? Bienvenue ! Sur ce fil je vous propose de vous présenter brièvement, et de nous dire par exemple comment vous avez découvert l'existence du Bitcoin. Je commence. Moi je suis un ancien informaticien vivant à Paris. (en Picardie depuis 2012). J'ai appris l'existence des bitcoins sur Wikipedia, alors que je cherchais à m'informer sur les alternatives en matière monétaire. Je suis l'auteur de l'article au sujet des bitcoins sur linuxfr: http://linuxfr.org/2010/09/30/27430.htmlvoilà, à vous. Update: Faites-nous aussi savoir comment vous prononcez le mot "bitcoin". |
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Les Rencontres Mondiales du Lociel Libre, qui auront lieu cet année à Strasbourg en juillet, font un appel à conférence. Je me demande si on ne pourrait pas tenter une conférence sur Bitcoin et les cryptodevises. http://2011.rmll.info/appel.html |
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We should not forget that we are in inflationnary phase. A lot of bitcoins are created right now, and will be until 2013.
So unless we have an even bigger and faster increase of user base, bitcoin value should not increase that much.
So even if it seems that the market wants to see the BTC/USD parity, we have to expect a big correction after this happens.
IMO
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Davout,
would you consider offering an exchange place for stock holdings on bitcoin-central?
Here is the idea:
people owning some share holdings would accept to sell them on "second-hand". This means that their share holding would stay officialy theirs, but they will convert whatever dividends they receive into bitcoins and pay the holders of the shares on bitcoin-central.
I've down it with an eBay and DRDGold share but I don't have any trading plateform.
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One of the things you can hear from opponents of bitcoin is : You can't buy anything with it. It's mostly used for currency exchange and gaming. I once answered that you can exchange bitcoins just in order to buy something. I once bought T-shirts on-line using canadian dollars I just bought for this purchase (using the excellent MadHadder's bitcoin-to-credit-card service). I know it's not the same as buying directly in bitcoin. But is it, really ? I mean, if currency exchange is quick and efficient enough, there is no practical difference between buying in bitcoin and making a currency exchange just for a product purchase. Oil is priced in dollar. So I guess when I buy some gaz at a station in Europe, at some point in the exchange chain, there has been some euro-dollar conversion. Yet, nobody would claim "you can't buy oil with euros". As always, the comparaison between bitcoin and gold is also pertinent. I can't enter a shop and buy stuffs with a gold coin. There are very few things that I can buy directly with physical gold. And yet, most people agree to say that gold is money. Actually, when I need to buy something I sometimes sell a few gold coins in order to get just enough cash to buy the stuff in the same day. So I consider I bought this stuff with gold. Amongst the usages of money there are 1) intermediary for exchange 2) store of value 3) unit of accounting. To me it seems clear that the currency exchange market allow people to use different currency for each of these usages. |
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Most of the time when I read an article or watch a video about how terrible is inflation to economy, I kind of feel that there's something missing.
Usually the author insists on how much the price of goods can have increased in, say, fourty years, and therefore how futile it is to save money. But who saves money for fourty years anyway ? I mean, there are certainly many better long term savings than cash. Nobody saves large amounts of money for that long.
To me, the most obvious problem with inflation is the theft of value from the money printers. And this occurs in real time, not with a 40 years delay. When a banker receive some freshly printed money from a central bank, this money looks exactly identical to currently existing money. Thus, this guy can obtain some good or services, ie real value, for this money, although this money has been obtained with absolutely no counterparting real value, apart from the pressing of a button.
When some banker wants his shoes to be polished, all he has to do is to print money and to give it to a shoeshiner. The shoeshiner is immediately stolen, although he will probably realize that in a few years, when he witnesses inflation. This, is what's outrageous with inflation.
This is not rethoric. I used to work in an investment bank and I was personnaly advised not to seek a job in an other sector because it was important to stay "near from the tap". Money supply was compared to a tap from which it was crucial not to be too far away. Do we really need a better explanation of how corrupted is this system ?
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I suspect most people here use linux on their personnal desktop. I'd just like to see if I'm right.
PS. Personnaly I'm on Debian GNU/linux Sid (aptosid)
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