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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / The anatomy of a possible P&D coin in action: CRAVE on: April 07, 2015, 03:21:32 AM
I called it in Shadow Slack live while it was happening. I had nothing to do with it. I just watched and tried to show a newbie how a pump and dump works. I wish I would have recorded it now because it was such a perfect example. Reference timestamps on Bittrex Crave. I am not saying that the coin overall is a P&D, I just recognized a trend in real time and commented on it before each phase happened and why and now I am posting it so people can learn. I am a nobody, just noticed some things. ATH at 22:40 on the charts 10:40pm my time.

erok [10:19 PM]
right now the buys just went crazy on crave
erok [10:19 PM]
market history is lighting up
erok [10:20 PM]
see that
erok [10:20 PM]
?

friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
yes sir
friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
watching now

erok [10:20 PM]
just watch

friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
its at 133k right now

erok [10:20 PM]
dont throw money
erok [10:20 PM]
did your sell happen?

friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
ive already thrown what I want to play with at crave
friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
fuck yes
friendsofnone [10:20 PM]
shit
friendsofnone [10:21 PM]
now I have to set my buy back
friendsofnone [10:21 PM]
the price goes up and down so easy
friendsofnone [10:21 PM]
sold at 133k
friendsofnone [10:21 PM]
ill set my buy at 125k

erok [10:21 PM]
120s it looks like if you are going to. it keeps knifing
erok [10:22 PM]
then set another trigger on 133

friendsofnone [10:22 PM]
ill go 121k
friendsofnone [10:22 PM]
only playing with 200 crave right now
friendsofnone [10:23 PM]
have some more stashed to drop on the predictable rise
friendsofnone [10:23 PM]
unless the dev is an idiot and it starts to tank then ill dump
friendsofnone [10:23 PM]
coming up on 140k

erok [10:24 PM]
less than a bitcoin back down to 120 though

friendsofnone [10:24 PM]
totally

friendsofnone [10:24 PM]
but even if I make a little profit im happy
friendsofnone [10:25 PM]
haha

erok [10:25 PM]
so this imo is a beartrap

friendsofnone [10:25 PM]
ive never really understood the masternode system
friendsofnone [10:26 PM]
whats a beartrap

erok [10:26 PM]
watch
erok [10:26 PM]
139751

friendsofnone [10:26 PM]
trying to get folks to dump?

erok [10:26 PM]
trying to get folks to buy at ath
erok [10:26 PM]
then you dumps on ath and buy back up

friendsofnone [10:27 PM]
gotcha
friendsofnone [10:27 PM]
part of it got eaten up

erok [10:27 PM]
so this is where the cycle starts for the upward momentum really.

friendsofnone [10:27 PM]
less than 2 btc to get to my buy back
friendsofnone [10:27 PM]
because of the panic

erok [10:27 PM]
they can choose to reinvest their earnings, hold, or do it again to the next level.
erok [10:28 PM]
yeah right now they are just letting it go to ath then when it stall they will drop it like it's hot

friendsofnone [10:28 PM]
thats what happened last night right

erok [10:28 PM]
every night for like a week

friendsofnone [10:28 PM]
its when alot of the market goes to sleep
friendsofnone [10:28 PM]
so i assume a couple people mess with it through the night
friendsofnone [10:29 PM]
ath is 143k I think

erok [10:29 PM]
now do you see the support at 120k?
erok [10:29 PM]
it is a solid btc now and they can build 130k floor
erok [10:29 PM]
if they want
erok [10:29 PM]
or they can dump and buy back up.
erok [10:30 PM]
its a game
erok [10:30 PM]
not organic

friendsofnone [10:30 PM]
lots of support in the 120's
friendsofnone [10:30 PM]
im back in at 121
friendsofnone [10:31 PM]
with such low coin count its easy to mess with the market

erok [10:31 PM]
it knifed?

friendsofnone [10:31 PM]
knifed means drastic up and down?

erok [10:32 PM]
quick dump buy usually just to show an increase in volume. it usually happens when someone is on the top side of the buy sell walls with a big number just to show their control and try to trick people into dumping low
erok [10:33 PM]
dumping low for a wash is reeeeaaaally good but usually from what i have seent hat just happens when there are people around that give a shit
erok [10:34 PM]
which could happen on crave with so many watching. it is a game. Imma smoke. brb

friendsofnone [10:35 PM]
right one
friendsofnone [10:35 PM]
on

erok [10:37 PM]
looks like they will wash the 130s
erok [10:38 PM]
after support build a little more
erok [10:38 PM]
they will pull their stuff and wash it out

friendsofnone [10:38 PM]
what do you mean by wash?
friendsofnone [10:38 PM]
pull their sell orders?

erok [10:40 PM]
they will pull their sell orders in the 130's and dump down to maybe 132-134 if buyers are lucky so that there is some progress then they will buy back up with the profits. looks like they got some over 140 so people must have tried to push ath. profit for the pumpers. (edited)

friendsofnone [10:40 PM]
gotcha

erok [10:41 PM]
see

friendsofnone [10:41 PM]
probably easier with less people awake right now right?
friendsofnone [10:41 PM]
ath is 143k right?

erok [10:41 PM]
well you have less chance of getting other people's money in your washes but the price is easier to manipulate because there is no natural resistance
erok [10:42 PM]
or not a lot
erok [10:42 PM]
154 and 360 there at the top of the sell wall
erok [10:42 PM]
that is the ath push they are directly pushing people into
erok [10:43 PM]
people buy ath and wash. or take profits and keep pumping. simple

friendsofnone [10:43 PM]
120s would be nice again

erok [10:43 PM]
lol

friendsofnone [10:43 PM]
haha

erok [10:43 PM]
this is a game. just watch with some popcorn

friendsofnone [10:43 PM]
only messed with 200 of them
friendsofnone [10:43 PM]
sooo we will see
friendsofnone [10:43 PM]
i think tomorrow i read someone is pushing for 200k
friendsofnone [10:44 PM]
it hit 140k a few minutes after I bought in at 115k

erok [10:44 PM]
nice

friendsofnone [10:44 PM]
but I was on a hike so i couldnt mess around
friendsofnone [10:45 PM]
my wife thought the hike was more important
friendsofnone [10:45 PM]
142 now
friendsofnone [10:45 PM]
crazy how fast this coin hit 140k
friendsofnone [10:45 PM]
in a week from 30k

erok [10:45 PM]
someone bought the 154 and is clearing the 360

friendsofnone [10:45 PM]
so crazy

erok [10:46 PM]
so this is decision time. if you wanted to break the flow you would dump 200

friendsofnone [10:46 PM]
dump 200 down to what

erok [10:47 PM]
as an outsider i mean
erok [10:47 PM]
anti pumper

friendsofnone [10:47 PM]
oh gotcha
friendsofnone [10:47 PM]
i could do that hahha
friendsofnone [10:47 PM]
have 1000 left

erok [10:47 PM]
that would put it at 135 and that would drop i think to 130

friendsofnone [10:48 PM]
someone did it

erok [10:48 PM]
there it goes

friendsofnone [10:48 PM]
now back to 125k

erok [10:48 PM]
lol
erok [10:48 PM]
see
erok [10:48 PM]
now you would buy especially if it hits the teen

friendsofnone [10:48 PM]
im at 121k
friendsofnone [10:49 PM]
quick buy up

erok [10:49 PM]
i love it when i can see this shit before it happens. and i dont know what it is but their strategy is just transparent as hell

friendsofnone [10:49 PM]
hahah

erok [10:49 PM]
nah i dont wanna mess with that
erok [10:49 PM]
im out

friendsofnone [10:49 PM]
why arent you making more

erok [10:49 PM]
of that
erok [10:49 PM]
i make enough

friendsofnone [10:49 PM]
right on

erok [10:49 PM]
im not greedy. I just want to make a difference


LEARN PEOPLE! Be careful with your moneys and invest in communities that you can stand with and tech you believe could help people.
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Realistic 2014 on: February 04, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
I posted this in a thread the other day and thought it merited some followup as a thread on it's own. I would like to discuss my outlook on the market in its current state... Everyone is wondering what coins to invest in. Considering that success is heavily dependent on the dev team behind it and their dedication to innovation and security.

Firstly, I don't think Bitcoin will go to 5 grand a pop. Maybe 2 or 3?

With that in mind, here's my list:
Battlecoin - Phase 3 should be a big push for this currency which should solidify the market cap in the top twenty -  .00005 - 0.0001
Peercoin - Best store of value. POS is legit. -  0.01 maybe 0.0125
Cryptogenic Bullion - 2014 is the year of the Bull. Solid gains. -  0.0075 to 0.01
Zetacoin - Big new things are supposed to come out this month and next. They already have a steamstore lol. - .0001
Primecoin - Obvious bet since cryptsy is building submarkets for this. But this is a wildcard which could go through the roof.

My long shot bets are still EAC, OSC, and VERT

About the market's state: December was stupid. Bitcoin became a fad worldwide which caused a ton of people to rush the market that didn't know what they were doing. It was a global FuturamaFry-"shutup and take my money"-event. This created a bubble. Right now I think the market is dealing with that bubble better than anyone could have a ever expected. Due to this, I believe the latter half of this past month and the beginning half of this month have been huge times to buy. EAC is at 150 and their dev's are still pushing stuff out and doing charitable events (according to their PR). But I think the best direct example of this bubble and burst would be Peercoin which saw 7 dollar prices at the beginning of January and is now at 5. It had continuous (exponential even) growth in the months before due to Sunny King's continuous involvement during the burst.

Finally, I see threads talking about Alt coins just being BTC traps. These are incorrect. Alt currencies are what is beautiful about the idea of a crypto currency. It is the idea that there could be better ways to create a digital store of value. Of course this will spawn innovative ideas on how to implement this and isn't that the definition of a free market? To offer incentive for new and innovative ideas. Let the best coin stand in the long run as a standard worldwide ( *cough* Peercoin/Primecoin *cough*).
3  Other / Beginners & Help / Newb stuck on same block for 24 hours now? :( Bitminter worker on: December 06, 2013, 05:06:53 AM
I am a newb Grin! I think I am stuck on a bad block on bitminter using my asic blade (current accepted pofs is at 100k+ with nothing in my wallet). Maybe my stratum is jacked? Any suggestions?
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