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1  Local / Bitcoin Haberleri / BTC/ETH Parite Savaşı on: May 05, 2018, 11:08:34 AM
BTC şuan için önemli dirençlerine doğru hareket ediyor, 9929 değerinde, bu hafta 10,800 değerinin geçilmesi çok önemli. Diğer tarafta ETH/BTC değeri artışta, genelde 8,5% değerine ulaştıktan sonra bir realizasyon oluyor. Piyasa değeri kıyaslaması ise ETH-BTC bandında neredeyse yarı-yarıya oldu bu da çok önemli bir değerlenme açıkçası işler ETH lehine dönüyormuş gibi bakalım bu savaşı kim kazanacak.
Bu konuda görüşleri almakta fayda var diye düşünüyorum?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / FINALLY SOLD MY BITCOIN CASH! STEP BY STEP GUIDE on: August 03, 2017, 06:41:59 AM
First i just want to say ,,!,, to whoever created this whole bitcoin cash mess.  Although i dont agree with the hard fork just to stroke some egos i have no problem with it as long as the community supports it.  But the entire execution is a clusterfuck piss poor mess, whoever are responsible for them are fucking idiots.

1) Why would you name your coin bitcoin CASH?  instead of something more unique.  Any time anyone trying to google your coin, i.e. bitcoin cash exchange, bitcoin cash wallet, bitcoin cash whatever - instead of getting to the relevant result you get spammed with bitcoin and cash conversions/comparisons.  It's almost you dont want your coin to be found and want to promote bitcoin.  Why not call it bitcoin iamnotafuckingidiot,  so when someone googles it, they actually find results about your coin.

2) Why go production with zero planning and infrastructure in place? The official website has jackshit, absolutely no instructions on how to actually get bitcoin cash. None of the wallet linked are verified - and even worse it puts people's bitcoin at risk when they try to mess with the private keys on their own to get bitcoin cash not understanding the full picture.   Why would you not have an official bitcoin cash wallet and clear instructions on how to get the bcc coins. Another wtf moment.

3) Only 3 exchanges currently support bitcoin cash trading, so why the fuck would you list a dozen that does not, just to confuse people.

/rant off.


Now on with how to get and sell your bitcoin cash.  This guide by no means is perfect nor do i claim it's elegant/ideal approach, but that's how i got it done, balancing risk vs result. I will try to keep it in simple terms so it's easy to understand.

bitcoin = BTC,  bitcoin cash = BCC

1) SAVE YOUR EXISTING BTC -  Send all your BTC to coinbase or another trusted wallet. (you can create a new local BTC wallet on a different PC to send the coins, but i prefer just dump it all to coinbase since i trust it and it makes things much simpler - less worry about security).

2) Wait until you have 6 confirms and coinbase also confirms the transaction is done.  At this point, you should have no BTC left in your old wallet.

3) FIND ALL PRIVATE KEYS -  Export all private keys that had BTC into a txt file from the now empty wallet, 1 private key per row. Quick fyi - 1 wallet can contain many public/private keys, and your BTCs were likely spread across them, so to get all the BCC you need all the private keys that had BTC in them.   Below are the exact steps if you are using bitcoin core wallet:

A) goto Help --> Debug Window --> Console
B) type: dumpwallet "C:\yourpath\wallet_pk.txt"   

At this point your entire private key list linked to the wallet is exposed as readable text file - danger! But your BTC is at coinbase or somewhere else safe correct?

4) Go through the wallet_pk.txt  file from previous step, and parse out all the private keys that had BTC linked to it.

Example below,  private keys are on the left.  You want any rows that have "label" and "change".   Ignore "reserve" as those keys had no BTC.

cTtefiUaLfXuyBXJBBywSdg8soTEkBNh9yTi1KgoHxUYxt1xZ2aA 2014-02-05T15:44:03Z label=test1 # addr=mnUbTmdAFD5EAg3348Ejmonub7JcWtrMck
cQNY9v93Gyt8KmwygFR59bDhVs3aRDkuT8pKaCBpop82TZ8ND1tH 2014-02-05T16:58:41Z reserve=1 # addr=mp4MmhTp3au21HPRz5waf6YohGumuNnsqT
cNTEPzZH9mjquFFADXe5S3BweNiHLUKD6PvEKEsHApqjX4ZddeU6 2014-02-05T16:58:41Z reserve=1 # addr=n3pdvsxveMBkktjsGJixfSbxacRUwJ9jQW
cTVNtBK7mBi2yc9syEnwbiUpnpGJKohDWzXMeF4tGKAQ7wvomr95 2014-02-05T16:58:41Z change=1 # addr=moQR7i8XM4rSGoNwEsw3h4YEuduuP6mxw7
cNCD679B4xi17jb4XeLpbRbZCbYUugptD7dCtUTfSU4KPuK2DyKT 2014-02-05T16:58:41Z reserve=1 # addr=mq8fzjxxVbAKxUGPwaSSo3C4WaUxdzfw3C

So using above example, you should now have below private keys.  (and no those are not my private keys, just samples..)


5) GET BCC WALLET - Download and install electron cash from:     


This wallet worked for me for BCC, but i am by no means vouching for it.  And if you do download, make sure you download it from the official website.

6) Upon opening the wallet, you should got the Network window.  if not goto Tools --> Network.  And choose "" as the Node (there is a whole another mess of the wallet defaulting to BTC network creating mass confusion, that's why you doing this to force it to this BCC node/network, read: )

7) Use the default options in the setup wizard to create the wallet, on the screen that says import private key, put the private key you saved from step 4).  Alternatively, just goto Wallet --> Private Keys --> Import to put the keys.

8 ) At this point you should see your BCC balance reflected.  Double check make sure the BCC balance is as expected, if not you may missed importing 1 or more private keys. Go back to step 4) and recheck.

9) GET YOUR BCC OUT! - Now it's time to deposit the BCC to an exchange.  As of aug 3rd, i am only aware of viabtc and hitbtc exchanges that accept BCC deposits and is actually working.  I am not going into detail on which of the 2 exchanges to use, you make your own call (i used viabtc fyi)

Once the exchange is determined, send 1 BCC from your electron cash wallet to the exchange to test, set the fee bar to max - so you get your transaction in the next block.  Don't be cheap on the fees, you getting all this free coins already and given the network is still a baby - try to get your transaction confirmed asap. (at least in theory, it should help!)

10)  Check on your chosen exchange that the 1 BCC arrived and is confirmed (shouldn't take too long, took me 15 mins).  Once that's fine, then send the rest of your BCC over as well, again i recommend use max Fee to send.  Do NOT leave any BCC in your electron wallet, as it's an unapproved wallet, god knows what security holes it may have. You want to get in and get out asap, not leaving anything in that wallet.

11) GET YOUR BTC OUT! - Make the BCC->BTC trades on the exchange, then once again, get the fuck out and move the free BTCs you just got to your trusted wallet asap, not leave it on the exchange.  Those 2 exchanges that currently allow BCC deposit/trading, i wouldn't leave anything in there. Who knows what will happen given the volatility.


On a separate note, here's my thought why one should get out of BCC asap and not to listen to all those people saying keep BCC and see what happens.  Of course just like picking stocks, you make your own decision, i could be spectacularly wrong, but it's something i can live with given the below.

1) BCC network difficulty will drop significantly, it will become a small fraction of the BTC difficulty weakening it significantly and making it susceptible to 51% and other problems.

2) Every single person who has BTC now has BCC instantly (minus the dorks who stored it on coinbase before the split), it's basically free money.  BUT there is absolutely NO - NOT A SINGLE - use for BCC. What do you think is going to happen? people did not spend money buying BCC, its just there one day, with no use, and tons of uncertainty.

3) Majority of the people still have no idea how to get this thing to an exchange to sell it. Once thing settle down in a week or so, the rush for the exit will start.  Look at almost every single instant gratification alt coins, they almost ALL end in zero.  Unless some major backing or news comes for BCC, i strongly believe same will happen.  Just ask yourself, who will be buying those coins? we know everyone has them now, but who will actually spend fiat or BTC buying them?  Are you willing to spend BTC buying BCC  at 1:5? 1:10? 1:20?  there's your answer.

In my view, it's really a race against time to get BCC to an exchange, and convert to BTC, You are racing against everyone else.  Every hour counts.


if this helped you, please donate some btc to 19XxPAWSUmtcjcDFuUhQtbgzwt5KP1vPF1
if not, i tried.
3  Economy / Digital goods / bitmain s3 coupon 6x for 0.35 btc on: July 28, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
hey i have the following, looking for 0.35 btc for all 6, let me know if interested. thx

Info =  AntMiner S3 Coupon 0.075 BTC     
Total Count = 6
Use Count = 0
Validity Time = 2014-07-12 00:00:00~2014-08-16 00:00:00
4  Economy / Computer hardware / bitmain S3 coupons 6x for 0.35 btc on: July 28, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
hey i have the following, looking for 0.35 btc for all 6, let me know if interested. thx

Info =  AntMiner S3 Coupon 0.075 BTC     
Total Count = 6
Use Count = 0
Validity Time = 2014-07-12 00:00:00~2014-08-16 00:00:00
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / WARNING: PAYPAL STARTED MASSIVE ACCOUNT BAN ON ANYTHING BITCOIN RELATED on: February 04, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
FYI, paypal has started a massive banning campaign on accounts selling anything bitcoin related, whether it's mining equipment, ebooks, or the currency itself.

This is a new action they started around mid Jan of this year.

You will be warned once, then your account will be perm banned from paypal, with all money inside frozen.  

I got called from paypal because i sold a few casascius coins (no issues with the transaction itself, buyers all happy).  But the lady said because i sold bitcoin my account is now under review for a perm ban. I stated i have been selling since early 2013 with no issues, and it's perfectly legal within ebay they even created a new category called virtual currency for it.

But she could careless just reading off a script, but I managed to get it out of her it's some new policy they are now implementing against bitcoin. She doesnt really even understand what it is, as long as the auction has the word bitcoin in it, over certain $ amount, and buyer paid with paypal, you are at risk getting the hammer.  If you check online many similar stories in the last month or so.

That's one way to try shut down the competition.  ,,!,, paypal
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / CNBC Explains: How to mine bitcoins on your own on: January 23, 2014, 11:12:53 PM

Good god...... all those newbies flocking to bfl and miners that will never roi (or even deliver) after the article... like lambs to the slaughter.
7  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Running bitcoind on Amazon AWS (EC2) help on: January 19, 2014, 11:22:35 PM
Hi guys, total newbie to amazon's AWS EC2 instances, but am very familiar with linux. Have some questions if anyone can help, thanks!

I have setup a micro EC2 instance using amazon's free trial offer (installed amazon's ami linux), downloaded and have bitcoind running on the server. I can see in the log it's syncing up.  Here are my questions:

1) From my understanding, EC2 instance is not perm, as soon as it shuts down everything is wiped. Which means as soon as it shuts down all the data from bitcoind is wiped and next time i have to resync from block 1.  I must not be using the right tool (EC2), can someone point me in the right direction on what exactly i should be using to fix this? I just want a regular/vps linux server that doesn't wipe the data every time it goes down.

2) Bitcoind is doing massive amount of sync on the network, i can see the network spike up in amazon's monitoring tool, is there an easy way to tell how much in/out network data i have used vs the threshold before i get charged. I clicked on all their links/monitoring but can't figure out where they keep this info.  I plan to leave this running in the background but don't want to get hit with a surprise bill a week later.

8  Economy / Goods / WTS 2011 CASASCIUS 1BTC S2, ALL ANACS MS64 - 65, REASONABLE PRICE on: January 16, 2014, 02:06:06 AM
Got my remaining coins graded. Those are getting pretty rare nowadays and more so going forward, good opportunity for anyone looking to complete the 2011 first year set. I priced them very reasonable given the anacs grade and current btc/usd value.

2011 Casascius Series 2 1 BTC


Price include free usps priority shipping within the US 48 states, all international shipping add 0.05BTC and shipped via usps priority international.

Coin will be shipped within 1 business day of payment and tracking provided.

Escrow is okie, but at buyer's expense.


9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin's 10000 TH network is extremely vulnerable on: January 08, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
I was just looking at the bitcoin difficulty chart and realized how small this network really is despite the extreme difficulty increases over the last 2 years.  Lets get to it:

1) Currently difficulty is at ~10,000 TH
2) Single 1 TH mining box cost ~$1000 to manufacture (reality is much less than 1k, but for easy calculation lets use $1k)
3) To destroy the bitcoin network you need to control 51% of the network.
4) To bring 10,000 TH (assume evildoer wants to be thorough) online it will cost:  10,000 * $1000 = $10million,  add on another $10millon for R&D,  $20million total.
5) Goldman saches makes ~$30million a day in NET revenue (same with most other banks)
6) It will cost a SINGLE bank HALF day's net revenue to wipe bitcoin out - less than their office supply budget.

We are just an ant...not even ant, a microscopic organism in the financial world.  If bitcoin becomes too big or start hurting those bank's bottomline (transaction fees), all they need to do is sneeze and bitcoin is gone. And there is no regulation/anti-competitive laws to protect bitcoin, it is completely de-regulated at this point.

Heck it doesnt even have to be the banks, even a small hedge fund or single person with some cash can wipe out bitcoin in a single instance.

The other ironic thing is the market cap of bitcoin is around $12billion right now compared to the $20million to destroy it. It shows how far removed from reality everything is, i dont think people really thought this through. If bitcoin can be shorted, someone can just short it, then destroy the network for riskfree win.

The difficulty needs to increase by 1000X at the minimum ($10 billion) to provide some bare minimum security to bitcoin's network

Dont agree with what I said about the current state of bitcoin? then provide your reasons, i love to be proven wrong. But just cant find a fault in my numbers.
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Which preorder? KNC 3TH Neptune VS CoinTerra 2TH TerraMiner IV on: December 11, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
This is just my opinion, i know some may disagree but realistically when it comes to PREORDERS i think those are the only 2 companies I would trust and seem to have a good chance of delivering on time.

I know i want to order 1 but just cannot decide which to get, below is my pro and con list, i am hoping the community can offer some advise which preorder to get?

KNC Nepture 3TH $13,000 Q1/Q2 start of delivery

1) Proven track record, already delivered 28nm ASICs
2) 20nm lower watts/gh

1) ~30% more expensive than CoinTerra
2) Open ended delivery date of Q1/Q2 and it says start of delivery, meaning if you order now it could be even later

CoinTerra TerraMiner IV 2TH $6000 End of April delivery

1) ~30% cheaper
2) Set delivery by end of april

1) Has not delivered anything, despite having a good team on paper
2) 28 nm instead of 20nm - higher watts/gh

What are your thoughts?  which to get?
11  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / java api to find bitcoin difficulty? on: August 29, 2013, 12:37:12 AM
Hi have a newbie question, how do i use java to find the current bitcoin network difficulty and past difficulties etc..?  I looked at bitcoinj but that's mostly for wallet sending/receiving i believe.  I dont need wallet or security, just want a way to get stats about the network using java.

Can someone point me in the right direction on the api/packages that's available or how to do that.  thanks
12  Economy / Service Discussion / btc-e 10% cheaper than mtgox? on: August 28, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
it seems btc-e btc/usd prices are always 10% cheaper than mtgox, so why are people continue to use mtgox instead of btc-e? 

Just wondering is there some catch i am not seeing?
13  Economy / Computer hardware / WTS ASICMiner 13Gh/s Erupter Blade 23btc!! Ships 24Hrs, Inc NextDay Shipping on: July 25, 2013, 09:03:38 PM
13GH/s asic miner blade  

- Running 100% stable
- 23 BTC buy it now,  ships within 24 hours after payment with tracking #
- Escrow through John OK (buyer pays fees)
- Ships from USA, Next Day shipping to USA included.  Hawaii+Alaska+Canada + 0.2 BTC.  International +0.5 BTC

- I also have optional add on package for 1BTC total, it includes the following, the entire setup provides good cooling and completely silent so you can run it in your bedroom if want

1)  600W silencer mk3 bronze certified power supply(purchased for $90) with a PCI-E plug modified to connect to the blade - plug n play. Power supply is completely silent, quality brand.
2) IOGEAR Universal 5-Port Wi-Fi N Ethernet Hub GWU647 (purchased for $41) This will basically let you run the miner wireless (put hub next to card, connect hub to card via network cable, and hub connect to router via wifi assume you have a wifi router).  
3) 2X Antec TrueQuiet 120mm Case Cooling Fan ($30 purchased) - completely silent set to high speed

Will post some photos later.

14  Economy / Securities / Why are people buying asic mining shares? are they insane? on: June 14, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
I never got an answer. Just some first grade math here:

1) 2.5 BTC per share -> 0.036 weekly dividend = 0.145 btc a month = 17 month breakeven
2) 50 BTC (20 shares) = 3 btc a month
3) 50 BTC buys you a 13 GH asic card = 12 BTC a month  (factor in whatever difficulty increase it is still significantly better income, and keep in mind the mining shares dividend are also impacted by the difficulty increase).

So i really dont understand why anyone will buy asic shares? what is the point? the return on those are terrible, on top of absolutely insane counterparty risk dependent on some guy who is running a black box that tells you what dividend he will pay. 

Why would you not just have a physical card you own with no dependency on third party and make significantly more btc as income?  Yet so many smart people are buying those shares...there must be something i am missing?

waiting to be enlightened...
15  Economy / Service Discussion / mtgox down? website not responding on: May 31, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
Those guys need to get their acts together if they want to be a legit exchange.  They are single handily responsible for destroying the bitcoin values everytime it starts to get popular/increase due to the constant technical issues and stability.
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / silly question - sending bitcoint for buying stuff on: May 28, 2013, 07:16:49 PM
Hi i have a silly question, when you send bitcoin to someone like friedcat to buy stuff, how do they know it's from you? 

I mean you can give them your public key you used to send, but that's not exactly secret, if someone knows your public key, couldnt they just pretend to be you and said they sent the coin?

Or is the only way to create a 1 use public key and not tell anyone except the person you sent the coins to?

i am confused. Thanks
17  Economy / Goods / Highend Limited Edition Starwars Darth Vader and Yoda Statue for sale on: May 26, 2013, 05:13:50 PM
Those are limited edition polystone statues made by master artists in france, they have been long soldout.  Some of the best sculpted and painted statues of vader and yoda. Both comes with certificate of authenticity and original box and packaging so they can be shipped safely. Both are in mint condition carefully displayed. NOT TOYS very heavy pieces.

I am looking to sell the vader for 4 btc and yoda for 2 btc, both include free shipping within usa, for international shipping add 1btc (heavy!)

Items will be shipped within 1 business day after payment.

18  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / 2x6870($300) VS 1x6970($300) on: January 18, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
will run everything at stock. which is better for mining? they cost about the same. Thanks

2x6870 ($300)


19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BITCOIN ON CNBC!!! on: November 23, 2011, 04:56:36 PM
This is great news, cnbc is probably the most popular financial site, and the article overall is pretty positive.


The Pros And Cons Of Biting on Bitcoins
Published: Wednesday, 23 Nov 2011 | 10:09 AM ET Text Size
By: Constance Gustke,
Special to

If you love edgy bets, the Bitcoin may be for you.

Only a few years old, this virtual currency has been on a roller coaster ride. Last year, Bitcoins traded for only a few pennies. Then in June, Bitcoins soared to over $30 a coin, making it a top-performing currency. More recently, they've traded in the low- to mid-single digits — still a huge gain for early investors.

A fiat currency used in Internet commerce, Bitcoins aren’t pegged to an outside barometer. Instead, their worth is determined by a computer algorithm invented by an anonymous, shadowy programmer. No clearing house, government agency or mint watches over them. Instead, peer-to-peer networks dispense and monitor coins, which can be exchanged for dollars.

Given their newness, novelty and volatility, Bitcoins have passionate fans — and critics.

“This is a long-term, high-risk investment,” says Patrick Strateman, a software developer and Bitcoin investor. “Some people are speculating. But others are holding on for much higher returns.”

These wild fluctuations make Bitcoins a difficult investment for average investors, though. Bitcoins have been known to go from $17 a coin to pennies in the blink of an eye.

The coins have also created Bitcoin millionaires, who were early investors. Investment bubbles may even just be part of Bitcoins birthing drama, say fans. Bitcoin lead developer Gavin Andresen has predicted that there will be between one and five Bitcoin bubbles by 2015.

This high-stakes currency does have some key strengths going for it too.

Supply is limited. The Bitcoin algorithm mimics dwindling gold or other precious metal supplies. And the algorithm slows coin issuance by half every four years. Today, there are 7.5 million Bitcoins. The ceiling is 21 million, when no more Bitcoins will be issued.

Also, lots of people want to see Bitcoins succeed, since they’re riding strong anti-government sentiment.

“This is a truly Democratic currency,” says Donald Norman, spokesman for the Bitcoin Consultancy in London and who sees Bitcoins either growing wildly or dying. “No one can manipulate it. It’s a new tool.”

The biggest hurdle to Bitcoin’s value? Lack of widespread use. The problem is that so far Bitcoins aren’t accepted in everyday commercial transactions, says Jon Nadler, a senior analyst at Kitco Metals. “It’s an underground, counter currency,"

That view will have to change before Bitcoins are widely used, he adds; if and when Bitcoins gain in acceptance, their price is sure to be driven up.

For those with strong stomachs,Mt. Gox is the primary exchange site for investing in Bitcoins in the U.S., accounting for 90 percent of transactions from dollars into coins. At the unregulated site, commissions depend on the amount bought. For less than 100 coins, it’s 0.60 percent per transaction.

However, security has been a problem. In June, the Mt. Gox site was hacked, causing Bitcoin prices to quickly plunge from $17.50 to pennies. These issues have been largely resolved though, says Strateman.

“Mt. Gox has made significant security improvements, rewriting the site from the ground up,” he says.

Also, a small market means that large purchases can shift Bitcoin values. Total volume is a small fraction of that for big ETFs that trade gold, for example.

“The problem will be fixed as the market grows,” Stratement adds.

This volatility —and lack of transparency — has scared away some investors and critics. Bitcoins currently lie outside U.S. government regulation and New YorkSenator Charles Schumer has expressed concern that they’ll be used for money laundering and other shady practices since the coins can’t be tracked.

“Bitcoins are a networked global currency,” explains Chris Skinner, chairman of the Financial Services Club in London. “They can’t be regulated because they’re open sourced.”

Norman is upbeat, though, about Bitcoins future. “A lot of speculators have left,” he says, adding that inventing the world’s first decentralized currency takes time.

Others have doubts.

“You can’t create an alternative currency,” says Nadler. “The dollar isn’t dying.” Yet even Nadler adds that Bitcoins, only cobbled together in 2009, haven’t gone through their life cycles yet.

But, counter other experts, no one really knows what’s going to happen.

“Bitcoins are best suited to investors comfortable with startups,” says Skinner. “They’re still high risk, and I wouldn’t bet the farm on them.”

20  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / need help, what is the name of the linux os miner? on: November 03, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
Hi guys need your help. I read a while back there is a custom version of linux built for btc mining. Basically you put the entire os onto a usb then it will boots up and start mining.

But for the life of me, i cannot find the thread or the name of this miner.

Basically i am trying to get off windows and switch to linux and since this is a dedicated mining rig, i just want something very simple that just mines and allow remote log in. That's it.

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