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1  Economy / Speculation / Comparing bitcoin halvings - 2012 to 2020 - and now looking ahead to 2024 on: December 07, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
Comparing the halvings.

This is an expanded version of a post from the Sumer dip price guessing thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346118.msg58567206#msg58567206

The thread compares and contrasts bitcoin price behaviour between the three halvings we have seen so far: 2012, 2016 and (partly) 2020.

First some basic data:



Note, there is a bit of rounding in prices, dates, etc.

The first point of interest is that the halvings are somewhat less than the expected four years apart – 2016 was 3 years and 7 months after the 2012 halving; 2020 was 3 years and 10  months after 2016.  This is not entirely surprising as there has been a pretty steady increase in hashrate over Bitcoin’s life and so mostly each difficulty adjustment will have arrived early.

Next, let’s consider what proportion of the total supply had been mined at the date of each halving:



Key point here is that because the rate of emission halves each time, the number of coins affected gets rapidly smaller: and the proportion of new coins issued, starts to become trivial: in the current epoch less than 7% of the total supply will be mined against the 88% already mined and in circulation.  Accordingly the impact of each halving is likely to be smaller and potentially take longer.

If we add in the subsequent highs and lows after each halving:



As expected much higher highs, and significantly higher lows.

But add in the time taken to reach the highs and the relative increases (over the price at halving):



We can see that the high takes longer to arrive: 526 days vs 366 or 1.44x longer
And the relative increase has reduced: 103x vs 30x or about 29% of the increase

For completeness add in similar figures for the following lows:



Interesting to see that the falls are very similar, if anything faster after the 2016 halving, but the impact almost identical  (note they aren't actually identical its just the rounding took them both to 84%).

So can we use this data to predict the highs and lows for this halving?

Probably not … 😉 … there are really only two data points here which isn’t enough to draw a proper projection, but let’s do it anyway.

If we assume:
a.   Each high takes 1.44x as long to arrive after the halving as the one before;
b.   Each high is proportionately 30% as great as the one before;
c.   Lows take about a year to arrive (388 days is the average) after the high
d.   Lows result in an 84% drop
We get the following, predictions are in BLUE



So in short:

First I don’t think there is enough data to use the prior halvings to predict future halvings, but if we are going to try to do that we ought to at least use the data we have.  The data we have suggests that the impact of each halving will be smaller than the one before, as the proportion of the total supply that is affected by the halving reduces over time.

Extrapolating forward from the 2012 and 2016 halving suggests that the next “high” will be in June 2022 and will be around $77,000.

Here’s the whole post summarised in a handy chart (with thanks to mikeywith for the underlying chart to which I added this speculation):




(Edited to tidy up the tables and stop the wrapping which was annoying me.)


2  Economy / Speculation / Hypothesis - bitcoin price is directly related to electricity consumption on: March 19, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
Inspired by this topic I developed the following hypothesis for discussion: the bitcoin price is directly related to the amount of electricity that the bitcoin network consumes and using that we can estimate the sustained maximum price.

Reasoning:

When considered as a whole, bitcoin miners expend a fixed percentage of their income on electricity.

If their income increases (in a sustained way) they will spend more money on electricity, but in a fixed ratio. The remainder of their income covers all other items, including profit.

The electricity consumption of the bitcoin network is bound by two factors:
1.   Mining income (derived by price x subsidy+fees) - (i.e. how much money do they receive)
2.   The proportion of worldwide electricity generating capacity that is available to the network - (i.e. how much electricity can they get)

At the time of writing the bitcoin network is estimated to use 130.39 TWh of electricity annually.1

This is approximately 0.47% of worldwide generation (27,586 TWh)2

In the current era the Bitcoin block subsidy is currently 6.25 BTC/block = 27,375 BTC/month

Bitcoin transaction fees are currently averaging 3,294 BTC/month3

Thus total mining income (BTC) is currently approx. 30,669 BTC/month

At the 2021 “average” price of approximately $44,234/BTC4 that means an average worldwide total mining income of $1.357 billion per month

Therefore, $1.357 Bn provides sufficient income to purchase 0.47% of the worldwide electricity supply.

Assertion – the proportion of worldwide electricity generation that may be consumed by the Bitcoin network cannot exceed 1%.

Key assumptions for forward projections:
Assumption 1: worldwide electricity generation capacity continues to increase at c. 2% per annum
Assumption 2: transaction fees increase at 10% per annum
Assumption 3: there will be no step change in the cost or capacity of the worldwide electricity generating network (such as making cold fusion wirk)


Forecast maximum sustained BTC value, era 3:   2022  2023  2024
Using 0.5% of worldwide electricity $47,000 $48,000$48,000
Using 1.0% of worldwide electricity $94,000 $95,000$96,000

For era 4 there is a significant increase driven by the halving of the block reward:
Forecast maximum sustained BTC value, era 4:   2025  2026  2027  2028
Using 0.5% of worldwide electricity$84,000$84,000 $83,000$82,000
Using 1.0% of worldwide electricity$168,000$168,000$166,000$164,000

Summary
Between now and the next halving (mid 2024) the maximum sustained high we should expect the bitcoin price to reach will be no more than about $95,000.
In the next era (post 2024 halving) the sustained peak will be no higher than about $168,000

Note: I do not think these are hard numbers, just indications - there are a lot of estimates and assumptions that underpin the forecasts.

Clearly the key question is my assertion that the Bitcoin network cannot, for an extended period, consume more than 1% of the total worldwide generating capacity.  If that is wrong then the projections will be wrong, but the hypothesis may still be valid, but at a different level.  My estimate of 1% is purely a guess, but I believe that societal, economic and structural constraints will mean that it is more or less right.

Notes:
These are estimates for sustained prices – this does not mean that the price cannot go above those values, merely that it cannot maintain those higher values for an extended period.
Miners expenditure on other items (capital, maintenance, labour, etc.) is irrelevant to this hypothesis as it assumes the spend on electricity is a fixed maximum proportion of income and those costs are covered in the remainder. 
The forecast price per bitcoin in era 4 reduces over time, because the projected increase in transaction fees and thus income outweighs the increase in the worldwide electricity network.
For simplicity I have assumed that era 3 continues until the end of 2024, and era 4 starts in 2025.  This also reflects the fact that there is likely to be a time lag as miners adapt to the new era.



1Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index (www.cbeci.org)
2Extrapolated from data on Our World in Data (https://ourworldindata.org/energy-production-consumption#electricity-generation)
3taken from here: https://www.blockchain.com/charts/transaction-fees
4Calculated by taking the average of the of the last 12 weekly closing prices, from Bitstamp BTC:USD market
3  Economy / Speculation / We should stop using the term "All Time High" on: December 19, 2020, 03:58:21 PM
I think the term All Time High (ATH) is misleading as the All Time bit of it implies both the past and the future - and, therefore, there can only ever be one All Time High and it can only go down from that point.  Accordingly what we are hoping for is not actually the all time high, but rather the next new high.

So I think we should stop using it and instead we should use the term High to Date (HtD) or perhaps World Record High (WRH).

High to Date is definitely my preference.


Note, this is not a wholly serious suggestion ... though the all time bit is slightly annoying ...
4  Economy / Speculation / Three weeks to the year end - what will be the high? on: December 10, 2020, 01:09:41 PM
There's been a lot of predictions (mostly rather wishful it seems to me) about where bitcoin will be before the end of 2020.

However, since the recent top at $19,918 we've had a gentle slide back down to the current value around $18k.

Right now (10 December, 0800 hrs EST) Bitstamp is between $18,100 and 18,200.

What do you think is the max value we will see in the last three weeks of the year, so from now until midnight on 31 Dec.

My suspicion is its going to keep trending down with occasional bumps, but won't get above $19k again this year (so Option 1 or 2 for me).

So the question is not where will it be at the end of the year, but what will be the top between now and the end of the year? 

Really interested to see where sentiment is at after the excitement of the recent high and the subsequent drift down.

(Note: poll runs for a week)
5  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / What is driving the difficulty jump? on: January 23, 2017, 11:39:30 AM
Such a massive jump in the last period - over 16%.

Is that the largest actual increase in difficulty setting far - 336 to 392 billion?
6  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / MOVED: Interesting/unusual scenario - confirmation times on: September 15, 2016, 02:45:21 PM
This topic has been moved to Technical Support as suggested as more appropriate.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1617784.0
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Interesting/unusual scenario - confirmation times on: September 15, 2016, 02:11:55 PM
First let me say this is not a complaint, I just haven't noticed this happen before.

I sent a small transaction with the recommended fees from core (with is my normal practice, I just use whatever fees are suggested):

TxID: 6c37eba28af906b3ed498627b0a05e7e0ae218dc60e8f9bd98981c4aa0b7c74c

I managed to send it right at the start of a biggish gap between blocks, about 40 minutes according to blockchain.info

The following 6 blocks (which took a further 61 minutes) were all effectively full, 998 kB or more; it didn't get into any of those and so it has now been >90 minutes, without a single confirm.

Given I'm not really bothered in this situation (as confirming it is not time critical) it doesn't matter this time; but realistically is there anything I could have done to get it confirmed faster? Would higher fees even help given the blocks are basically full?
8  Economy / Speculation / How many "halving" threads will there be before we get to the halving? on: March 23, 2016, 08:40:34 PM
OK, so a quick count reveals 19 threads with the word "halving" in the title (for the purposes of the poll this is the definition of a halving thread) in the first 5 pages of this sub-forum.

Obviously we have to add this one now, so a nice round twenty threads.

Using all your skill and analytical abilities please estimate how many "halving" threads there will be in just this sub-forum before the halving actually arrives.  Some factors to consider:

A) the ability of the average BCT user to operate the search function
B) the (closely related) ability of the average BCT user to read more than the top 5 any threads before posting a new one
C) the extraordinary optimism that the halving will bring a massive price increase, especially if you talk about it a lot

Notes: this is purely for fun and no warranty is given or implied.

9  Economy / Lending / Loan to Acidyo - terms on: June 12, 2014, 12:22:35 PM
Following discussion and verification off-forum I have agreed to Acidyo's loan request, terms as follows:

Loan amount: 0.5 BTC
Recipient: Acidyo
Term: 10 days
Interest: 0.025 BTC
Repayment due: on or before 22 June 2014
Repayment amount: 0.525 BTC
Late payment: additional 0.015 BTC per 5 days (or part thereof)

Acidyo, if you agree please confirm here and post your BTC address.
10  Economy / Lending / Further loan to ncsupanda on: May 08, 2014, 07:18:52 PM

Summary of terms:
Recipient: ncsupanda
Amount: 0.508 BTC
Term: 60 days
Interest: 8% per 30 days
6 interest payments of 0.01354667 BTC, payment due every ten days, first interest payment due 10 days after loan is made
Capital (0.508) to be rapaid on day 60 (with the last interest payment)
Late payments incur interest at 10%
Progress updates every 5-10 days

Please post here to confirm agreement.
11  Economy / Lending / Loan to ncsupanda on: April 29, 2014, 07:57:09 PM
Terms of loan:

Amount: 0.03BTC
Term: 24 hours
Repayment amount: 0.0315
Due: 30 Apr
Collateral: 1.3LTC

Please send LTC to: LXjHJ35StyC2Bc7AzasWKv2h2Cq4hxKzLv

If agreeable please confirm here.
 
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