Just wondering what might be the most cost effective method for cashing out MT Gox codes or coins? Either way there seems to be a charge to send the cash at the source bank, be that Gox or another exchange, then depending on the routing it may go via an intermediary and you get another charge so it could be 2x£30.

 Direct exchange on OTC is of course always a good option. But it's nice to know about the automated ways too.

Not many. Having a clear-out.

Silver rounds for sale. Prefer to sell a few at a time to save on postage, which will need to be registered I guess seeing I only have one feedback on OTC, though years on the forum.

 Is there a exchange that will repeatedly automatically convert on deposit and withdraw automatically in either direction fiat-btc? I'm tired of checking for a transfer or waiting for an email that might come through at night. It would also be useful for keeping the balance off the exchange.

 Or perhaps there's a way to do it with an API and a looped script.

 Combining internet addiction with checking emails and money, gambling and speculation 

(And ideally, does reoccuring transactions without too much bother)

- walletbit
 Bitcoin to Danish, SEPA or International. EUR, DKK, USD, CAD
- bitpay
 Bitcoin to ?

None I know that go from fiat to coins.

 I keep hearing the argument that inflation is necessary to encourage a country's exports.

Gut feeling is that this is a load of crap.
Yes, putting artificial pressure on an economy to force trade encourages exports but,

 exports aren't needed if you're rich.

If there's no inflation then the country just gets richer.
If richer, then the country is more powerful and less reliant on exports.

 Is it as simple as this?

 Now FireGPG is dead if you want to quickly verify a message and sender easily you will need to use Crome-cr or get copy and pasting.

It would be much more portable to have a VPS (or home server or Raspberry Pi) checking your drafts folder every 10 seconds for trigger commands such as **SIGN** or just scanning your inbox for .asc attachments, verifying and then labelling as such.

 I tried to do this before but I've lost the code.

  Good idea?

  I know a lot of Bitcoin users use GPG both for emails on important things and also for #Bitcoin-otc. It would be useful to have a portable interface for this - no more risking carrying around your private key on USB and you can access gmail via 2 factor auth so this would be really handy. You are then only risking your comms with USA big corp and quangos (Google, FBI, NSA) and the private key is still on your server so that should be enough for a lot of people.

 So, what would be the tool to start with that can be easily scripted for checking email servers?

 I would love to see a script pasted into here eventually. Perhaps the first goal should be checking the inbox for .asc attachments

 I remember being interested in the Internet in the early days. I remember being told stories from my grandfather who in turn remembers the early days of radio.
 Now I look at Bitcoin and I see a similar thing.
We've been fortunate that the free internet in particular, as travel before it has catalysed these developments such that we have seen a lot more developments in recent years.

 These are interesting projects all involving technology.

 - can you think of other things that have come along to change society that aren't electronic?
 
 - what is the language of these groups... is there a pattern? Are there words we see in these things that we don't see elsewhere?

I find being in these areas interesting and I tend to gravitate toward them. Never have I had a central role but it's great to say "I was there" later on. For example, what was the hippy movement like when it first started for example? What about steampunk or burning man?

And what do you see that is like this with a potential... but small now in those early stages?

 Just wondering if anyone used to do this before getting blocked by the bookies. Maybe you still have a subscription to a surebet service.

I'd like to snap up all the free offers,
 but I don't want to spend time wading through spreadsheets and so on or risk money on services informing of surebets.

 If you can advise me or help me with access to subscription service at a sensible rate
send me a PM with an email address and how your fees.

Commission only technical analysis services sometimes charge 15% of profits so that could be a suggestion as to what you want to charge minus freebies.

 -j

Technical analysis from Bitcoinbullbear predicts gold,silver,palladium as down for 2013.

I would expect a vested interest there.
However I do value the forecasts that have been made there. They have been the best source for Bitcoin forecasts so far.

Given this view, it would seem like a good idea to move savings from precious metals into Bitcoin. But I'm still not that bullish. I prefer to use Bitcoin as a utility with a small amount saved by just in case, and instead have savings in precious metals. But what can one invest in if those main markets are all predicted as down?

I don't want to make a lot of money this way - I just want to avoid taking more than minor losses.

I have some alternative ideas for investment but they seem so much more risky than holding gold (for example).

What to do...?
At this point I would say if you own property, invest in things like solar panels, methane generation, micro farming. But I'm mobile...
 Perhaps there's a way to invest in online assets that isn't centralized?

Background:

There a are lots of projects that use the Amazon API to great effect:
http://mashable.com/2007/08/21/amazon-toolbox/

 In particular, there is this project which shows deals on your wishlist:
http://amazondeals.ca
 Unfortunately they webscraped instead of API.

Problem:

But the only problem is that that it is next to impossible to cross corrolate to find used book sellers that have more than one of your wishlist books in stock in order to investigate whether you can get combined shipping.
http://ask.metafilter.com/37477/Buying-secondhand-books-online-how-to-avoid-multiple-postage-costs
http://ask.metafilter.com/35260/Used-book-buying-guide

Response:

 How hard can it be to search each book, list the used sellers for each wishlist book and find sellers that have more than one book in stock?

Reward:

Make your affliate links and host to see if you can turn a profit on your code.

Perhaps pledge too? My pledge:


 

 Back in the day we'd dial up BBS systems. Very decentralised and very direct. Later on, I remember connecting direct onto the UK backbone via Janet before that become heavily policed.

 These days, what is the most direct, or indirect connection you've used?

 An example:
-> WiFi -> Corporate network -> Corporate proxy -> remote ISP where the Corporate proxy server is ->  (I think there is another level here) -> BT UK Backbone -> USA -> USA ISP for Colocated servers -> YourWallet.com

hmm... ->

Code:

$ traceroute yahoo.com
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How does this compare to your VPN? How does this compare to servers close to stock markets?

It's a pain for me to setup.

Could someone set me up a new server for http://code.kryo.se/iodine/

I only need connectivity, no shell.
Suggested price similar to a cheap shell. Really not expecting to use much bandwidth, browsing, a little youtube maybe. Suggest a price per month in one off amounts.

 

 A very simple example.
- small company, 3 directors around the world.
They can't decide whether to send the balance of their shared account to one investment scheme or another (both have Bitcoin addresses) so we call a vote

 How can we use Bitcoin or Namecoin's accounting system to help the board vote and how far can we go with this?

 My gut feeling is that this process can actually be scaled up into complex operations with algorithms or (less ideal) - addresses with trusted parties that carry out predefined operations. This way, a kind of programming language can be built up.

 Voting could be carried out directly with Bitcoins where the largest balance wins the vote.
 Or voting could be carried out in combination with namecoin's accounting system.
 
Yes, you could link this in with contracts but really I'm interested in this as a direct accounting and direct democratic system with no 3rd party trust involvement (such as a legal system). I can't get my head around how this would work in practise but my gut feeling is that it's possible right now... I just don't have the intelligence to figure it out even conceptually.

Is it possible?

 What would be required in order to have an exchange that holds no balance of it's own, or vastly minimizes the balance it holds?

- so you send your fiat or BTC and it gets converted as soon as it arrives for example
- or you pledge an trade, script something to autosend from a balance on your own computer but can still back out if you wish to cancel the process
- or simply automated payout to a preapproved or locked address/account

 Problems I can foresee include:
- slow fiat system transfers
- slow bitcoin system transfer (confirmations)

 But it could be a good setup for people who want the cash on the exchange for as little as possible.

 I still think exchanges are an accident waiting to happen or of course, have happened. Any funds you have involved with an exchange is as bad as a bank.. maybe even worse - completely against bitcoin. Any dealing with an exchange is against bitcoin. Q: How many BTCs are held at exchanges? It could be argued that this is not Bitcoin.

 How does this thing work?

AFAIK in the UK it looks they make a Direct Debit deposit (or debit?) on the account which you have to wait for in order to verify that it's your account.
Perhaps that takes a few days to come through.

sofort demo page:
https://www.sofort.com/payment/payment/go/transaction_summary

Blockchain explanation page:
https://blockchain.info/wallet/deposit-bank-transfer

 I just went to buy VPN access online. Had to wait 15mins. This is a big problem. A deal breaker I think.

Where can I find more info on ideas on speeding this up?

 I know we had the idea of green addresses and also this was part of the push with litecoin. What other discussion has there been? Or rather, what would you search for on the forum to find more info?

 Also, what is the relationship of the transaction fee to speed? I mean... how much do we add and what can we expect back?
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees#Rules_for_calculating_minimum_fees

 Never say die!

These are the things I've tried:

1) Connecting to a SSTP server. SSTP is allowed through the firewall on port 443 but although it worked on another machine there is some sort of strange certificate problem on the one I was hoping to use. I think an old cert I installed is confusing it but I don't have the rights to delete it. I'd have to pay for a SSTP server since I don't have access to a Windows server. I only have ssh accounts and a Beaglebone at home.

2) ssh tunnel to ports 8080,443 or whatever. All seem to be blocked. Must be deep packet inspection.

3) OpenVPN. PPTP.
Both blocked by Sonicwall deep packet inspection.

4) VNC. I think this might be allowed outgoing since VNC is installed on the machine but the connection is too slow for it (satellite).

5) Just asking admin... hmm... no. We have 2 machines for the boat and that should be enough for all 40 of us I expect would be the response. Once I ask I'd be under the microscope. So I have to keep sharing those 2 machines for checking private email that is blocked on my workstation.

6) DNS tunneling. It worked on my personal machine (thanks forum members) but requires admin rights to have that tun0 device.

7) https based website tunnels like ninjacloak. I haven't found on that isn't blocked. I don't know how to setup my own.

I could plug another machine in but I prefer not to introduce a dirty machine to the network long term. I have a clean linux install I could use but only temporarily. I don't want to be seen doing this. I could also plug in an access point but again I'd rather not if possible.

One thing I could do is put a WiFi access point to allow use to more than 2 computers. The only thing then is that everyone would be on it and with no bandwidth management (CBQ/HTB/Prio) would put the connection to a crawl.

9) Satellite internet. Too slow with an omnidirectional antenna.

10) USB carrier pigeon. Can't get it through customs (upload only: they only return home!)

It's not a major problem. But I feel annoyed to be defeated by filtering. We've sometimes got 2 weeks of sitting around on a boat with very little to do transiting somewhere and only 2 computers for the whole boat. I guess option 8 should be the best bet but I don't want to be defeated by it, it's a challenge, you know? There's got to be a way.

I wondered about having a (passworded to avoid overuse) personal webserver running at home that reads and redisplays the URL you want a it's own https address. I can't code that myself though unfortunately, as useful as that would be.

 I've been investigating a ponzi scheme that was run through ordinary bank accounts.
 
One thing that surprised us was how the various banks they used didn't investigate the large payments coming in&out of the perpetrators accounts. Further, the FSA failed to act for a long time.

 Compare this to Intersango. They've gone through a ton of banks, each time the bank investigating for fraud or money laundering and each time the bank isn't allow to even tell the customer why things aren't working properly.

 What can we conclude?

 If you have a minimum transaction of £1000 and less than 2 payments per month from the same depositor you'd be acting in the same way as this guy was and there might be less problems.
 I don't know the frequency of transactions and size of deposits for the various exchanges but I expect there are plenty of people doing £50 at a time and then adding a bit more as they feel confidence. That might be the sort of thing that triggers the automatic fraud detectors.

 The other thing about the Ponzi was that being a Ponzi people tended to pay in but not take their money out. That also could be another factor in difference between the way that I have seen fraud detection work. Some people did take cash out from time to time but that volume would have been lower.

 

Jeg kan ikke se regler for dette forumet, så jeg tror dette er det rette stedet å poste dette heller enn den globale Varer forumet.

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Selge på stedet dagen etter at jeg kjøpte den.



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I cannot see rules for this forum so I guess this is the right place to post this rather than the global Goods forum.

150kr credit for the Netcom.no Norway prepay phone network. I can't figure out how to use the voucher. When I call the number all I hear is a lot of Norweigan and I'm just a tourist. Perhaps you can make better use of this.

Selling at spot the day after I bought it.