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1  Other / Meta / We can not discuss if 'ChipMixer is a honeypot or not' outside their own thread? on: December 08, 2022, 10:17:23 PM
Moderators locked my thread!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5426967.0

From Fake Satoshi to FTX collpase, everything can be discussed in multiple threads. But, no one can doubt & discuss ChipMixer outside of their own thread. Especially, if that involves public poll.

Seriously theymos? Does not it make obvious things look more obvious?


Update: Thread seems to have been unlocked since I made this post here.
2  Economy / Service Discussion / Is ChipMixer a probable HoneyPot? on: December 08, 2022, 02:26:03 PM
Lately, I have come across a twitter thread that claims 'popular Bitcoin mixer ChipMixer is actually a United States government honeypot'. I think, he has made some compelling statements in his thread. I am copy-pasting the content verbatim. Let us know, what you think...

1. Today, I'm sharing my long-standing theory behind a US government covert operation designed to partially crack Bitcoin privacy and deanonymize transactions. I believe that popular Bitcoin mixer ChipMixer is actually a United States government honeypot. Here's why.

2. I saw this tweet the other day, and a few projects that I've been observing came to mind. But ChipMixer is one I'm absolutely sure about, as it was created when the government was newer to crypto, so they didn't obfuscate the telltale signs of a honeypot very well...



3. The US government goes to great lengths to have access to flows of online information. This includes the ability to access history and private conversations on most social media platforms. For example, their warrantless internet surveillance rooms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

4. Cryptocurrency usage surged in 2016 and 2017. Smart governments noticed that anonymous cryptocurrencies would eventually allow criminals to move around large amounts of money in a manner that renders capital controls worthless. I believe this is when the US formulated this move.

5. In May of 2017, ChipMixer was released by a brand new anonymous account on the Bitcoin Talk forum. It quickly rose to prominence, offering mixing via fungible outputs, large reserves, a smooth UX, clearnet access, and true anonymity (when it came to external analysis).

6. Interestingly, ChipMixer released with a "pay what you want" model, which is uncommon for mixers. Users were not charged a mandatory fee for mixing and instead could donate to the website. As any tech entrepreneur will tell you, donations are usually not a viable business model.

7. The story starts getting suspicious when you look at ChipMixer's expenditure. With zero revenue, ChipMixer paid out several large alpha tester bounties, bought ad space on the forum, and ran a large signature campaign, with expenses in the tens or hundreds of bitcoins.

8. After looking at ChipMixer's history, it's clear to me that they are being bankrolled by an extremely wealthy entity who doesn't care about profitability and has a lot of money to burn on making the service popular - millions spent, but revenue coming solely from small donations.

9. Running a centralized Bitcoin mixer is extremely illegal, and the risk/reward doesn't check out if you don't care about making profits. UHNW individuals will all tell you that committing loss-making crimes for the sake of altruism isn't ever worth the risk of jail time.

10. $10m is a lot of money for most, but for the CIA or the NSA, it's a rounding error. As a government, how much would you pay to potentially get access to the underbelly of an anonymous, decentralized payments network sometimes used by criminals to launder massive amounts of money?

11. In crypto, there are better mixing methods out there, such as CoinJoins or zero-knowledge proofs. The most popular zero-knowledge mixing protocol was Tornado Cash. Tornado Cash gave users complete obfuscation & anonymity - even from the operator of the service.

12. Earlier this year, the US government cracked down on Tornado Cash, adding it to the OFAC sanctions list. I suspect this is because they felt highly threatened by the advent of true anonymity, which Tornado Cash provided. There is no data to subpoena from an open source protocol.

13. On the other hand, even though ChipMixer provides external anonymity, there is one big difference. The operator of ChipMixer has complete access to every transaction - deanonymized! Despite privacy tech's availability, ChipMixer still runs a model where the owner has god mode.

14. ChipMixer has been used by several high-profile criminals, such as the Ronin bridge hackers (from North Korea!) & the Binance hackers. Some have even been identified and caught after using it, such as the Twitter hackers. It's no joke and is affiliated with serious crime groups.

15. Many large mixers have shut down due to legal action or unprofitability. Tornado Cash has been sanctioned, and their developers have been unfairly demonized. Yet - ChipMixer is running normally (on the clearnet, at that!) and no regulatory action has been taken whatsoever.

16. So, why attack Tornado Cash and other mixers and leave ChipMixer alone despite both being used by similar groups? I think the answer is clear - ChipMixer is the US government's ace in the hole. A secret weapon that nobody knows about and can be used when necessary.

17. This is a covert operation, so there will be no open admission or provable link, but based on the reasoning above, as well as private conversations I've had with Bitcoin OGs, it is clear to me that ChipMixer is a honeypot owned by a major world government, most likely the US.

18. While I obviously support criminals going to jail, I also think optional anonymity is important and would prefer to have less covert privacy-breaking efforts out in the wild rather than more. For those interested in alternatives, check out CoinJoin tools like Wasabi Wallet.

19. I hope you enjoyed reading my theory. It's been on my mind for a while and I find the topic fascinating. I would love to hear thoughts and opinions on this, especially from Bitcoin OGs, so drop your comments below if you can! Thank you.


Source: https://twitter.com/FatManTerra/status/1595500815116079111 (archive)
3  Other / Meta / Is it allowed to post other forum or telegram group link within post body? on: June 08, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
I have seen that a few are doing this as a signature within post body as well.
4  Other / Meta / Can Merit Sources for Specific Sub-Forum use sMerit outside of that Sub-Forum? on: December 22, 2019, 08:00:18 PM
Say, X is merit source for Russian sub-forum. Will X be able to use his/her sMerit to merit Y on Service Announcements?
5  Other / Meta / Does a BitcoinTalk poll reveal who voted for whom to the poll creator? on: November 06, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
If I participate in a poll on BitcoinTalk, will the poll creator be able to see who did I vote for?
6  Other / Meta / girlbtc.com, a known scammer+spammer, seems to be back on bitcointalk! on: July 22, 2017, 12:07:52 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1066135

Can the IP of this^^ guy, please be compared with the IP of girlbtc.com & his known alts?

girlbtc.com - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458172

www.girlbtc.com - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=468714

girlbtc-temp - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=929863

okbaby123 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=905656

7  Other / Meta / Can someone please stop the girlbtc spam? on: October 14, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
Consecutively posting these in his own thread...

Hey ,I don't want to spam this ,just post a news for round 18

A little giveaway is set , with 0.005 for valued players.

Which means if you bet 0.02btc on girl side in Round 18 , and win ,you get 0.045 total.  with the chance 50-50

It is a good deal isn't it?

Here is the promotion details  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1643861.0

The game is 0 house edge ,trans fee free for bet under 1btc.

Wish you good luck
I don't understa how your giveaways works. You need to have a bet to be able to be eligible to get the prize and you need to win the bet given that you mentionedthe person need to win if he bet to the girl. I that is the case that isn't a giveaway but more like a bonus prize.

uhmmm. giveawy to the real player.

ok we may call it bonus prize.

Round 19:  we judge this round by  block #434300
girl :  1LgjCtjkTLaCBUjKxyWoRQYTeoqKJUQjDS         0.0000 BTC
boy:  14CJ5jhGHSNA5DtsauyjbKf4wkScZNowy2      0.000 BTC
updated 0:00  14/10/2016




History:
round 19: block #434300   waiting....
round 18: block #4340200      000000000000000002fbc3f01ea7a0957a6c0cfb86bac1da6361f3dbec423411   0.0206 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:girl
round 17: block #4340100     00000000000000000055355040164e0c58c4b5a55861590aa9d579fbb8765d73   0.000 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:girl
round 16: block #434000     000000000000000000f3818b00e3e3f95b0a6d16aa32a1af910dac1fa9ce28b9   0.000 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:boy
round 15: block #433900     00000000000000000291a5c3ef208b29a7dec8f26f54241ad95080dc30203ea9   0.000 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:boy
round 14: block #433800 000000000000000001847bf76f75b9ef708c1622390d4a61f44fb9f383f3d73a   0.002 V.S. 0.005 BTC  winner:girl
round 13: block #433700 000000000000000001847bf76f75b9ef708c1622390d4a61f44fb9f383f3d73a   0.000 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:boy
round 12: block #433600 00000000000000000406ce0c290cfbaca1add6686eac969d3dfe27856dbbb907   0.800 V.S. 0.002 BTC  winner:girl
round 11: block #433500 00000000000000000310311b4ac1ffe9d773e013889ab0f4b4c2c60ec25d8419   0.0300 V.S. 0.051 BTC  winner:boy
round 10: block #433400 0000000000000000033260db770d79af61896728ec71a1cdb63d710b053af019   0.0300 V.S. 0.0231 BTC  winner:boy
round 9: block #433300  00000000000000000353df34eebb46a0441bdc509c4a0b59b5a246db1a5da44c   0.0410 V.S. 0.0320 BTC  winner:boy
round 8: block #433200    000000000000000003bf4bc797187451bae456893851338917e1c47f6d4fe844   0.0500 V.S. 0.1000 BTC  winner:girl
round 7: block #433100    00000000000000000123e44d5450fef0b3f411e522f27b1fc32f9f04dbededd0   0.0000 V.S. 0.0000 BTC  winner:girl
round 6: block #433000    0000000000000000038f7ccda1055fa241addb2222004f945df64086b958173a   0.0000 V.S. 0.01088 BTC  winner:boy
round 5: block #432900    00000000000000000382043fea2855031a140865dd7b68624494a04243c07131   0.0000 V.S. 0.01089 BTC  winner:girl
round 4: block #432800    000000000000000003300e60a078c37ebb8932fb012a4d7a250347f1df5b1db5   0.0109 V.S. 0.000 BTC  winner:girl
round 3: block #432700 0000000000000000044ddd3818966b7c57247103116e1aa4873e28cc05246918   winner:boy
round 2(eighth):da0066c622b29a99a991e3559c8898e273bb0666347634f1d506fb6fc4ea102d         0.051 V.S. 0.04 BTC winner:boy
round 1(ninth hash):460b3400b1422bb2f6bea8a57f950966266df2abe963fb187ebfd2489ae89e41    1.2147557 V.S. 0.0284 BTC winner:girl
round 0(tenth hash):b00fa46579f788020d1c8068d3450af6fce93c264de92c0a2c4ada1107c5e64a








Rules:
character 0-7 for girl and 8-f for boy,we judge the last character of the block's hash
For example Block #432700
Block #432700
0000000000000000044ddd3818966b7c57247103116e1aa4873e28cc05246918  last character 8 here for boy
the winner get his/her btc doubled when the opposite has enough to pay.


visit http://girlbtc.com







FAQ:

Q:so for example, there is 10btc on boy and 1btc on girl, what will happen if the boy wins the round? if girl wins the round you would only pay 1btc and keep 9btc from the boy?

A:in this situation ,if the boy wins , the first 1 btc will be doubled , so the boy side will be returned 11 btc.
if the girl wins , the boy's 9 btc will be returned and the girl get 2 btc returned.
in other word , the site is not betting with you .
and additional  ,if you bet 1-10btc , the fee will be 1%. thats if the boy wins 10.99 btc return
if the girl wins 1.99 to the girlside , 9 to boy side  
for more info  www.girlbtc.com






we are making it running with big players ,like 10btc 100btc 1000btc per bet ,and thx




the following first reply with  50+ sensible words  and activities more than 240

will get 0.001btc directly

TO master : it is not spamming it is just to atrract attention. and get advice.

Ok ok I hands up  , because I don't want to run round 19 with 0 V.S. 0

Following is the solution:

Newest block is   434279

And we have 20 blocks left to finish Round 19 ,as it will be ended by 433300


Everyone on this forum can get 0.002btc if you have a 0.005btc or more bet on the girl side in round 19.

This is not a free giveaway, so it is not belongs to the Games and Rounds section.

We need a push to make the game popular.

Almost crazy with this kind of  silence ..........



Anyone has bet in round 19 with more than
Code:
 0.002btc 
will get....

 How much we offer, you will play?
Make promise here. I will reply ok or not
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me
tell me


come on,let's push it .

8  Other / Meta / Is DefaultTrust algorithm working as expected? on: March 30, 2016, 02:11:06 PM
I just found that dooglus has included Vod in his trust list, while HostFat has excluded him. So, the net effect on Vod from DT depth 1 is 0. Hence, Vod should not show trusted by default. But, his feedback is still showing under Trusted feedback. Is it malfunctioning of DefaultTrust algorithm?
9  Other / Meta / Requesting Dooglus to be removed from DefaultTrust on: December 28, 2015, 11:59:59 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

I think, a person with the following trust rating is not eligible to be on DT.

Trust:    1: -1 / +15
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