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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / There are now more than 120 hedge funds focused solely on bitcoin, digital curre on: October 28, 2017, 10:07:51 PM
There are now more than 120 hedge funds focused solely on bitcoin, digital currencies
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/27/there-are-now-more-than-120-hedge-funds-focused-solely-on-bitcoin.html

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  • Data shared exclusively with CNBC from financial research firm Autonomous Next shows the number of funds investing in digital assets like bitcoin has grown rapidly to 124.
  • Autonomous Next also estimates that the "crypto-funds" have about $2.3 billion in total assets under management.
  • While several leading Wall Street banking executives remain skeptical about bitcoin, more seasoned money managers are moving into digital assets management.

Another step towards going mainstream.


2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / A Bitcoin ETF Could Just Be around the Corner on: October 28, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
A Bitcoin ETF Could Just Be around the Corner
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-etf-may-just-around-corner/

This will be another catalyst to boost Bitcoin's price.

Another step towards the mainstream.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Overstock goes for largest ICO ever at $500 million on: October 27, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
Overstock.com goes for largest digital coin offering ever at $500 million
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/overstock-com-goes-for-largest-digital-coin-offer-ever-at-500-million.html

Overstock Reveals Plans for Equity Token Exchange and ICO
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/overstock-reveals-plans-equity-token-exchange-and-ico/

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Right now, however, no SEC approved exchange exists that can handle equity tokens, so Overstock is creating one.

If this happens, it opens up many things that StockBet can add to its platform and gamify more of the $70 Trillion stocks asset class!

According to the article:

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tZero will incorporate profit sharing features of a security as well as utility features of an app token. For instance, token holders will be able to use the tokens to pay for exchange fees. They will also receive a percentage of tZero’s profits, distributed quarterly and paid into their tZero digital wallets.

An analogy is like this:

Nasdaq is a stock exchange.  It is also a publicly traded company, which means you can buy and own shares of Nasdaq.  Nasdaq had $3.7 Billion in revenue last year, has a market cap of $12.07 Billion and pays 2.1% dividends.

tZero (which is Overstock) wants to create a new stock exchange, to compete against Nasdaq and New York Stock Exchange, except tokens will represent ownership of stocks.

With tZero, you can buy their tokens, which gives you equity in tZero and receive dividends.  You can also use their tokens to pay for exchange fees, which you cannot do with Nasdaq shares.

Overstock is a good indicator of the size of the stock market.  Here is a comparison to cryptos:

Cryptos:              $0.2 trillion
Gold:                   $7.8 trllion
Stocks:               $70 trillion
Fixed Income:    $199 trillion
Derivatives:       $630 trillion

See the chart for this at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2152880

These are the asset classes that we want to gamify.

Everyone in the crypto community is salivating for Bitcoin to have the same market cap as Gold.  Gold is chump change compared to the other asset classes in the stock market.

It’s commonly known that the stock market is the world’s largest casino.  According to Boston University Law Review, trading stocks is identical to gambling.  Investing is a myth, as the average holding period is 4 months.  Wall Street professionals don't try to hide it.  They say that they are betting and use the word "bet" all the time.  Options and derivatives are bets.  According to The Economist and CNBC, the Chinese see little difference between stocks and casinos.  Consequently, the amount of gambling activity in stocks is unsurpassed.  Vegas and Macao are peons.

Think of Nasdaq and NYSE as the house.  The exchange fee is the house cut.  But they’re not the only “house”.  All of the brokerage firms, such as TD, Fidelity, eTrade, etc., are all houses as well.

NYSE is much bigger than Nasdaq and NYSE is smaller than Euronext, which they merged with.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / PayPal Co-Founder Peter Thiel: Bitcoin Has ‘Great Potential Left’ on: October 27, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
PayPal Co-Founder Peter Thiel: Bitcoin Has ‘Great Potential Left’
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/paypal-co-founder-peter-thiel-bitcoin-great-potential-left/

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Billionaire investor Peter Thiel believes bitcoin critics are “underestimating” the cryptocurrency’s “great potential” to become the “cyber equivalent of gold”.

“If bitcoin ends up being the cyber equivalent of gold it has a great potential left,” he said, “Bitcoin is mineable like gold, it’s hard to mine, it’s actually harder to mine than gold. And so in that sense it’s more constrained,” he added.

Store of value will likely be Bitcoin's main application for a few more years minimally.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bank system better at tracking illegal activity than bitcoin on: October 26, 2017, 06:33:33 PM
Here comes the bankers, criticizing Bitcoin again:

Bank system better at tracking illegal activity than digital currencies like bitcoin, says BofA CEO Moynihan
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/26/banks-beat-bitcoin-at-tracking-illegal-use-says-bofa-ceo-moynihan.html

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  • Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan says digital currencies like bitcoin raise worries about how their anonymous nature limits authorities' ability to track illegal use of funds.
  • Speaking on CNBC's "Fast Money Halftime Report," Moynihan also says the banking system today tracks money flows well and authorities can use that data to find those involved with illegal activity.
  • BlackRock CEO Larry Fink earlier this month called bitcoin an "index of money laundering."

Okay, cough it up.

Which one of you out there is laundering money?
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The largest options exchange in the US is moving in on a $1.6 billion bitcoin op on: October 26, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
The largest options exchange in the US is moving in on a $1.6 billion bitcoin opportunity
http://www.businessinsider.com/cboe-is-making-moves-on-a-16-billion-bitcoin-opportunity-2017-10

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Cboe, the Chicago-based exchange operator that's home to the largest options exchange in the US, recently partnered with Gemini, a digital assets exchange started by Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss, to roll out bitcoin futures by this year or early next.

This is another step towards going mainstream.
7  Economy / Speculation / 5 Reasons Why Bitcoin Price is Not Tulip Mania: Nasdaq.com on: October 26, 2017, 11:43:00 AM
5 Reasons Why Bitcoin Price is Not Tulip Mania: Nasdaq.com
https://cointelegraph.com/news/5-reasons-why-bitcoin-price-is-not-tulip-mania-nasdaqcom

1. The Growing Acceptance of Bitcoin as Legal Tender
2. Increasing Merchant Adoption
3. Bitcoin Is Increasingly Acting as a Store of Wealth in Distressed Economies
4. Bitcoin Has Only Just Gone Mainstream
5. Bitcoin’s Supply Is Limited

The only thing that can derail this is the scaling issue.

Bitcoin is back up to $5,858.
8  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin throwdown: Analysts spar on whether the cryptocurrency is a good deal or on: October 26, 2017, 01:45:33 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/analysts-spar-on-whether-bitcioin-is-a-good-deal-or-too-risky.html

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  • Andrew Left, a noted bitcoin short seller, squared off with Tom Lee, a noted bitcoin enthusiast, Wednesday on CNBC.
  • Left has said he is short Bitcoin Investment Trust, while Lee has told investors bitcoin could go to $25,000 or higher from its current $5,500 level.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is Bitcoin an Asset or Currency? on: October 25, 2017, 12:11:24 PM
NYU's 'Dean of Valuations' Says Bitcoin Is a Currency, Not an Asset
https://www.coindesk.com/nyus-dean-of-valuations-says-bitcoin-is-a-currency-not-an-asset/

I’ve watched Aswath many times on CNBC over several years. I’ve used his spreadsheets to value companies and stocks. He seems to be the go-to guy to value specific companies on CNBC.

I agree that you cannot value Bitcoin, but only price it and trade it.  However, I disagree with him that it’s not an asset.  I think Bitcoin can be both a currency and asset.  In fact, it is more of an asset than currency right now.  I disagree with him that an asset has to “generate cash flow”.  Gold does not generate cash flow.

What does the community think?  Is Bitcoin an asset, currency or both?
10  Economy / Speculation / Was Bitcoin Gold a Good Idea? on: October 25, 2017, 11:55:51 AM
Bitcoin splits again, creating a new cryptocurrency called bitcoin gold that then plunged 66%
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/bitcoin-gold-price-plunges-what-is-hard-fork.html

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  • The price of bitcoin gold plunged over 66 percent since it started trading
  • Experts are divided on whether the bitcoin split is a good or bad move

Do you think the Bitcoin split was a good move?
11  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin Price Falls to 5-Day Low Following Fork Currency Creation on: October 24, 2017, 10:34:40 PM
Bitcoin Price Falls to 5-Day Low Following Fork Currency Creation
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-falls-5-day-low-following-fork-currency-creation/

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daily low of $5,560

if you're looking for a culprit for the dip, industry observers are so far pointing to the creation of bitcoin gold yesterday.

Is the pullback over?
12  Economy / Speculation / Bubble or Not? on: October 24, 2017, 04:33:32 PM
The last bubble was in 2013.

Bitcoin is not a classic bubble, but still be 'suspicious,' says investing expert William Bernstein
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/william-bernstein-bitcoin-is-not-a-classic-bubble.html

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  • William Bernstein is a neurologist who became a best-selling author on investing in the 1990s.
  • Bernstein does not believe bitcoin is a classic investing bubble because it doesn't fit all four of the criteria of manias he developed.
  • "Unless [you are] an expert on blockchain technology and bitcoin, stay away. Don't invest in things [you] don't understand," Bernstein told CNBC.

Do you think we're in the 5th bubble?
13  Economy / Speculation / Bubble or Not? on: October 24, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
The last bubble was in 2013.

Bitcoin is not a classic bubble, but still be 'suspicious,' says investing expert William Bernstein
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/william-bernstein-bitcoin-is-not-a-classic-bubble.html

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  • William Bernstein is a neurologist who became a best-selling author on investing in the 1990s.
  • Bernstein does not believe bitcoin is a classic investing bubble because it doesn't fit all four of the criteria of manias he developed.
  • "Unless [you are] an expert on blockchain technology and bitcoin, stay away. Don't invest in things [you] don't understand," Bernstein told CNBC.

Do you think we're in the 5th bubble?
14  Economy / Speculation / Stock picker who predicted $5,000 bitcoin says it's on track to top Apple's mark on: October 24, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
Stock picker who predicted $5,000 bitcoin says it's on track to top Apple's market cap
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/bitcoin-market-cap-to-overtake-apple-in-five-years-analyst.html

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  • Bitcoin's market value will catch up with Apple in five years, according to a bitcoin proponent
  • Ronnie Moas from Standpoint Research told CNBC that bitcoin's price could jump to $50,000 in the next decade
  • He argued that critics of bitcoin are heavily invested in U.S. banks that are being directly threatened by the cryptocurrency
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Stock picker who predicted $5,000 bitcoin says it's on track to top Apple's mark on: October 24, 2017, 01:41:57 PM
Stock picker who predicted $5,000 bitcoin says it's on track to top Apple's market cap
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/bitcoin-market-cap-to-overtake-apple-in-five-years-analyst.html

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  • Bitcoin's market value will catch up with Apple in five years, according to a bitcoin proponent
  • Ronnie Moas from Standpoint Research told CNBC that bitcoin's price could jump to $50,000 in the next decade
  • He argued that critics of bitcoin are heavily invested in U.S. banks that are being directly threatened by the cryptocurrency
16  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin Price Dips Below $5,800, While Ethereum Recovers Beyond $300 on: October 24, 2017, 12:08:43 PM
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-price-dips-below-5800-while-ethereum-recovers-beyond-300/

Who believes that Ethereum, and altcoins, will rally after the Bitcoin fork is over?
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Apple Co-founder Thinks Bitcoin is Better Than Gold on: October 24, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/money2020-wozniak-thinks-bitcoin-better-gold/

Wozniak was the technical brains of the two co-founders.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin Gold: What to Know About the Blockchain's Next Split on: October 24, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
https://stockbet.com/#/BullBear/round/17970

Who bought more Bitcoin in anticipation of Bitcoin Gold?
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin Sells at $9.5k in Zimbabwe as Venezuela Gains ‘100k’ New Bitcoin Miners on: October 23, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Bitcoin Sells at $9.5k in Zimbabwe as Venezuela Gains ‘100k’ New Bitcoin Miners
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-sells-at-95k-in-zimbabwe-as-venezuela-gains-100k-new-bitcoin-miners

Traders must be trying to figure out how to arbitrage this.
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Prince Alwaleed says bitcoin will implode: 'Enron in the making' on: October 23, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/23/prince-alwaleed-says-bitcoin-will-implode-enron-in-the-making.html

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"It just doesn't make sense. This thing is not regulated, it's not under control, it's not under the supervision" of any central bank, Alwaleed says.
Bitcoin has surged about 500 percent this year.

That’s hilarious.  He just gave all of the reasons why people love Bitcoin:  Not regulated, not under control, not under supervision of any central bank.

With enemies like him, who needs Bitcoin promoters?
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