[seed / phrase]

After reading in some posts here i need some knowledge about your vocabulary. It’s sometimes like Martian.


I’ve read the word “seed / phrase” and “passphrase” and “extra words”and “pin” and “General-pin” and “key” in different context and it seam to me many newbies are a LITTLE BIT confused about that.

“Charles-Tim said: But hope you did not include extra word (passphrase)?”
So is it not an good advice to use extra words as an passphrase? It an extra security to the wallet, isn’t it?

Some people and shops using Lightning because it’s cheaper and faster. If i have to restore the wallet (maybe lost) with the seed, will everything be restored, even all Lightning-nodes and payments?

If i restore the wallet, can i safely change the seed/pin so that the wallet cannot be compromised from others, someone who found it?


So i want to study the basics before start here. Thanks a lot for your answers!

Hey there,

pls allow me to share an problem with the verification after downloading Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz from the site:
https://electrum.org/#download

Then i downloading and import the file “ThomasV.asc” in gpg (sorry it’s in german):

$ gpg --import ThomasV.asc
gpg: Schlüssel 2BD5824B7F9470E6: Öffentlicher Schlüssel "Thomas Voegtlin (https://electrum.org) <thomasv@electrum.org>" importiert
gpg: Anzahl insgesamt bearbeiteter Schlüssel: 1
gpg:                              importiert: 1


After that i try to verify the archive:

$ gpg --verify ThomasV.asc Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz                      
gpg: verify signatures failed: Unerwarteter Fehler


So i’ve looked what Thomas wrote on his website and have done this:

$ wget https://download.electrum.org/4.1.5/Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc
--2022-01-10 21:41:27--  https://download.electrum.org/4.1.5/Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc
Auflösen des Hostnamens download.electrum.org (download.electrum.org)… 2606:4700:3031::6815:5990, 2606:4700:3031::ac43:a0dd, 104.21.89.144, ...
Verbindungsaufbau zu download.electrum.org (download.electrum.org)|2606:4700:3031::6815:5990|:443 … verbunden.
HTTP-Anforderung gesendet, auf Antwort wird gewartet … 200 OK
Länge: 833 [application/octet-stream]
Wird in »Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc« gespeichert.

Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc          100%[=======================================================================================>]     833  --.-KB/s    in 0s      

2022-01-10 21:41:27 (10,1 MB/s) - »Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc« gespeichert [833/833]

Then i’ve been astonished about the small amount: 833 Byte. After that i tried to verify:

$ gpg --verify Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz
gpg: Signatur vom Mo 19 Jul 2021 20:22:29 CEST
gpg:                mittels RSA-Schlüssel 6694D8DE7BE8EE5631BED9502BD5824B7F9470E6
gpg: Korrekte Signatur von "Thomas Voegtlin (https://electrum.org) <thomasv@electrum.org>" [vollständig]
gpg:                     alias "ThomasV <thomasv1@gmx.de>" [vollständig]
gpg:                     alias "Thomas Voegtlin <thomasv1@gmx.de>" [vollständig]

So far so good. Then i tried to import the key. First i deleted the other one:

$ gpg -k
pub   rsa4096 2011-06-15 [SC]
     6694D8DE7BE8EE5631BED9502BD5824B7F9470E6
uid        [ unbekannt ] Thomas Voegtlin (https://electrum.org) <thomasv@electrum.org>
uid        [ unbekannt ] ThomasV <thomasv1@gmx.de>
uid        [ unbekannt ] Thomas Voegtlin <thomasv1@gmx.de>
sub   rsa4096 2011-06-15 [E]

$ gpg --delete-keys 6694D8DE7BE8EE5631BED9502BD5824B7F9470E6
gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.27; Copyright (C) 2021 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

pub  rsa4096/2BD5824B7F9470E6 2011-06-15 Thomas Voegtlin (https://electrum.org) <thomasv@electrum.org>

Diesen Schlüssel aus dem Schlüsselbund löschen? (j/N) j

And then import the small key:

$ gpg --import Electrum-4.1.5.tar.gz.ThomasV.asc  
gpg: Keine gültigen OpenPGP-Daten gefunden.     [no valid OpenPGP-Data found]
gpg: Anzahl insgesamt bearbeiteter Schlüssel: 0

Wow, what’s happened there? I’ve extract the archive but feel not free to install. Maybe someone can explain?


Thank you in advance