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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / . on: May 27, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
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2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / [BOUNTY][Pre-Sale] Seal - The Currency of Authenticity on: March 29, 2018, 03:24:24 PM


❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Seal Networks is starting their Official Bounty Program to reward our Supporters!
The program will commence immediately and run until the end of the Token Sale on May 27, 2018
A total 6MM Seal tokens or 1.25% of Seal tokens available for public sale are reserved for the Bounty Program.
The total Bounty Pool will be allocated as follows:

10% Reddit Campaign
10% Facebook Campaign
10% Twitter Campaign
10% Slack/Telegram Campaign
10% Creative Campaign (Artwork & Videos)
5% Creative Development (Ideas)
20% Articles, Reviews, Publications

General terms
We reserve the right to remove you from any campaign at any time if we think you are not honest, or spam the forum.
We may not accept you in the campaign for any reasons.
If your rank change during the campaign, you must post your rank update request in this bounty campaign thread.
Using multi-accounts, cheating and spamming are not allowed. It will results getting all of your accounts permanently banned from all my campaigns
Specific campaigns may have other added rules. Therefore, please read other campaigns rules to have specific rules.

In the event a campaign receives low volumes of submissions, there will be a maximum payout value assigned per stake.



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Payment:
10% of total Bounty Pool will be allocated for Reddit

Posts regarding Seal or featuring Seal
10 upvotes) 5 Stakes
20 upvotes) 10 Stakes
50 upvotes) 20 Stakes
100 upvotes) 50 Stakes
300 upvotes) 100 Stakes

Comments about Seal get calculated at a 1:5 rate compared to posts, meaning for example a comment of 20 upvotes will bring you 2 Stakes.

To Particpate:
1) Your account should be at least 30 days old and have 10 posts or comment karma.
2) Fill out the form with your details: Register Here


Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules

1) For a post to be counted, it needs to be posted in one of the following subreddits, or cryptocurrency related subreddits: /r/bitcoin, /r/ethereum, /r/ethtrader, /r/icocrypto.
2) Posts and Comments with negative Karma will not be accepted. Any kind of spam will not be rewarded either.
3) External posts should link to either /r/Seal_network subreddit posts, to the Seal Website or here to the Bitcointalk Thread





❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Help us spread the word by participating in the Facebook Campaign and earning Tokens in return for your contribution.

Payment:
10% of Total Bounty will be allocated to Facebook

Tier 3) Having 250+ friends: 5 Stakes
Tier 2) Having 500+ friends: 10 Stakes
Tier 1) Having 1000+ friends: 25 Stakes
Tier 0) Having 5000+ friends: 50 Stakes
Extra Tier) 10.000+ friends/followers : 100 Stakes

How to Apply:

1) First of all Like our Facebook Page here: Seal Network Facebook.
2) Make a post about the SEAL Token Sale and include 2 Links, one of the Website here and one of the Bitcointalk Thread
3) Fill out this form: Register here.


Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules

1) Your must have a minimum of 250 friends.
2) Your Facebook account must not be fake, inactive or a bot account. Only original Facebook accounts will be accepted.
3) You must be an active and regular Facebook user, and must be sharing and liking Seal's official posts and updates that are less than 7 days old.
4) Account must be open as a Public Profile and all Posts shared need to be public as well.
5) Multiple accounts are not allowed. Those found using such multi accounts will be disqualified and blacklisted from any and all future campaigns.
6) Terms and Conditions are subject to change if necessary.

We are receiving a lot of question



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Help us spread the word by participating in the Twitter Campaign and earning Tokens for your contribution.

Payment:
10% of Total Bounty will be allocated to Twitter

Tier 3) Having 500+ followers : 10 Stakes
Tier 2) Having 1500+ followers : 25 Stakes
Tier 1) Having 5000+ followers: : 50 Stakes
Tier 0) Having 15.000+ followers: 100 Stakes
Extra Tier) Having 35.000+ followers: 200 Stakes


How to Apply:

1) First of all follow us here: Seal Network Twitter
2) Make at least 5 retweets/tweets a week.
3) Register with this form: Registration Form


Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules
1) Must be Jr. Member or higher ranked user in bitcointalk
2) Twitter audit must be equal to or better than 85%.
3) Must make at least 5 tweets or retweets about Seal per week
4) You must be retweeting Seal's official tweets and updates regularly
5) Don't post everything in 1 day, you are supposed to make the tweets constructive and not simply spam.
6) There will be no changing of payment addresses, so be sure it is correct.

We reserve the right to not consider your twitter account eligible for this campaign, even if you meet the prerequisites.

After some research we came to the conclussion that Twitter Audit does not work. A lot of recent accounts on Twitter are autofollowers or just fake accounts. We will disqualify all accounts that we consider a bot.



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

This Campaign awards early supporters of the Seal Project that join the dedicated Telegram Channel.

Payment
10% of total Bounty Pool.

Tier 3) Having the Seal logo as profile picture : 10 stakes
Tier 2) Change your name on Telegram with | Seal Warrior : 10 stakes

How to Participate
 
1) Join Telegram: Telegram
2) Submit your details using this form: Registration Form

Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules

1) You must register a real account, and only one reward per telegram user and bitcointalk user.
2) Be active at least once a week. If you are not an active user you will be disquilified.
3) Change your profile picture to the Seal logo.
3) Fill the Form above with your telegram username and bitcointalk username, submissions will be manually verified.



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Seal will Reward Experienced Designers, Artists and Video Creators who create content about Seal and/or the Seal Tokensale.

Payment:
10% of Total Bounty Pool will be allocated  for this Campaign.
We’ll divide all Submission into 4 Categories and will reward them as follows

High Quality) 250 Stakes
Good Quality) 100 Stakes
Normal Quality) 50 Stakes
Low Quality) 0 Stakes

How to Participate?

Submit your entry using this form: Register Here

Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules

1) Low Quality Artwork and Videos will not be accepted
2) Artwork and Videos must represent original work. Copying other's work is not allowed and will result in a disqualification. You can use Official Images, Artwork and other content posted on any of the Official Seal communication platforms such as the Seal website, YouTube channel, Twitter and Telegram.
3) In the Description of the Video you must have one link of the official Seal website, one link of the official Bitcointalk Thread and one link of your own Bitcointalk profile to prove it is original content.
4) Videos should be be more than 1:30 Minutes Long, shorter than that will not be taken into consideration. Animated Videos can be shorter than that.
5) The Video/Artwork has to be posted on a widely known social platform such as Steemit, Youtube etc and has to include 2 official Links: Official Website: Website and Bitcointalk Announcement: Bitcointalk Thread and one link of your own Bitcointalk Profile in the bottom of your article or in the comments to prove it is original content.
6) Medium, Steemit, Newbium, and other general/free blogging platforms submissions will be accepted, but only One per User.  
7) If the video or artwork is posted on a website, podcast or blog that has quality content, then 3 submissions will be accepted.(Examples: Personal Blogs with Active Users, Cointelegraph, Popular Youtube Channels and so on)



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Seal will reward Users who provide ideas or more importantly want to develop an integration for Seal.

This includes:
- Fresh ideas for product improvement: interface, usability, and any other ideas you might think could help Seal.
- Bug discovery, whether it is a mistake in the Whitepaper, a Bug on the Website, Algorithm or anything else you might find that needs improvement.
- Developing a Program, Software, DApp or any other Integration that you think could help Seal
- Something else that you think would be worthy of mentioning and that could help Seal become one of the best blockchain projects
 
Payment:
5% of Total Bounty Pool will be allocated  for this Campaign.
 
SEAL will be graded based on the impact that your submissions have, that is to say, finding an important Bug or developing an useful integration for Seal will be rewarded severely more than a simple suggestion.

Submission will be graded between 10 and 1000 SEAL depending on the importance of the finding or creation you submit.

 
How to Participate?
 
Submit your entry using this form: Register Here
 
Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

 
Rules:

1) Low Quality Submissions will not be accepted.
2) Findings and Creations must represent original work. Copying other's work is not allowed and will result in a disqualification.



❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Seal will Reward Experienced Writers who write quality Reviews, Articles or Publications about Seal that include information about the Token crowdsale or Instructions about Investments in their Blogs, Websites, Forums and Sources.

Payment:
20% of total Bounty Pool will be Paid to Articles, Reviews, Publications
We’ll divide all Submission into 3 Categories and will reward them as follows:


High Quality) 250 Stakes
Good Quality) 100 Stakes
Normal Quality) 50 Stakes
Low Quality) 0 Stakes

How to Participate?

Write your Article, Reviews or Publications and Submit your entry using this form: Register Here

Spreadsheet: Check Status Here

Rules

1) Low Quality Articles and Reviews will not be Accepted,
2) Articles and Reviews must represent original work. Copying other's work is not allowed and will result in a disqualification. You can use Official Images, Artworks and other Content posted on the Website.
3) In the Description of the Article you Must have one link of official website, one link pointing to the bitcointalk thread and one link of your own bitcointalk profile to prove it is original content.
4) The Article has to include 2 official Links: Official Website: Website and a link of the Bitcointalk Announcement: Announcement and one link of your own Bitcointalk Profile in the bottom of your article or in the comments to prove it is original content.
5) Article should exceed 500 Characters, less than 500 Characters will not be accepted.
6) Medium, Steemit, Newbium, and other general/free blogging platforms submissions will be accepted, but only One per User.
7) If the article is posted on a website, podcast or blog that has quality content, then 3 submissions will be accepted.(Examples such as Personal Blogs with Active Users, Cointelegraph, Popular Youtube Channels and so on)




❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!

Join our Signature Campaign to help spread the word about Seal on Bitcointalk. In reward for your contribution you will receive Tokens. Only members ranked Member and above are accepted.


Payment:

Payment will be based on weekly SEAL:

Jr. Member) 5 Stakes/Week
Member) 15 Stakes/Week
Full Member) 30 Stakes/Week
Sr Member) 50 Stakes/Week
Hero and Legendary) 80 Stakes/Week

Rules, Terms Conditions:

1) The Signature should be kept until the end of the Token Sale, removing the signature before that time will result in a disqualification.
2) During this period you must make a minimum of 10 Posts per Week in order to be considered eligible.
3) Only Posts that are useful and constructive will be eligible towards the 10 Post goal. Posts that are off-topic, or simply made for the intention of raising post count will be diqualified.
4) A post must have a minimum length of 75 Characters to be counted towards post goal.
5) Payment will be done after stake calculation, after the end of the Token Sale
6) Keep your signature on until the spreadsheet is updated with your final post count, for at least one more week, removing it before post count will not be accepted.
7) Only user with rank of Jr. Member and above can join.

Joining Form: Registration Form

Spreadsheet: Check Status Here


Personal Text:
Signatures
3  Bitcoin / Project Development / delete on: March 28, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
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4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / 🔥[ANN][ICO] Seal - The Currency of Authenticity 💖 on: February 11, 2018, 07:47:21 PM

Seal Network
Out of love for creation.
Join our Telegram

We believe the designers, artists, scientists, programmers and creators are the unsung heroes behind brands that make magic happen in our lives. The brands are the seal of these creators’ souls: they symbolize their blood, sweat and tears. We believe that we should cherish brands and its creators, protect them, encourage them to keep going and strengthen the connection between people and brands.

Seal Network is a proud member of the EEA (Ethereum Enterprise Alliance)
and IACC (The international Anti-Counterfeiting Coalition)


❗IMPORTANT❗We always communicate through @seal.network. This is the only correct address, all other domains are fake!


Info

Official Website
Whitepaper
ICOBench ★★★★
Bounty Program
Referrals

What is Seal?

Seal is a blockchain powered product authentication and services platform which will provide consumers and manufacturers with product trust.
Seal enables anyone the ability to confidently, quickly and economically verify the authenticity of any product which is Seal enabled.
The Seal proprietary technology utilizes NFC compatible Seal chips which can be effectively, securely and discretely incorporated with any physically manufactured product. Upon integration of the Seal chip, the product is paired with the digital counterpart on the blockchain. Verification of authenticity is instantaneous with a simple tap or scan with any smart device.


How does it work?

Watch our explainer video



The Seal platform consists of several components:

1) Products with an embedded Seal-chip that uniquely identify physical products
2) The Seal-app installed on an NFC-compatible smartphone
3) The Seal-token which allows communication between the different parts of the platform
4) The Seal-network, an immutable blockchain database where each transaction is recorded and validated by its nodes



Brands are the sole issuer of product-pairings on the blockchain. This way, brands can ensure exactly how many authentic copies are released. Disingenuous manufacturers are no longer able to produce imitations that can be passed off as authentic, because they cannot replicate the token.

Token Utility

Utility
Seal Tokens are used to pay for services by consumers and brands. The number of supported services will increase as
we improve the platform. The current version of the app already provides authenticity checks and ownership
registration. The table at the bottom displays all the features we have currently developed or scheduled. In the future
brands might be able to pay customers for certain activities (e.g. via a loyalty system).

Currency of Authenticity
The ultimate goal for Seal is to become the currency of authenticity, a currency optimized for the exchange of consumer
products. In this way, the Seal Token is a medium of exchange. This is not listed as a service since it does not require
additional fees. If used in this manner, the Seal Tokens can be used as a currency to pay for products directly.
Purchasing products with Seal Tokens directly claims ownership while payment to the seller occurs simultaneously via
the blockchain. Using Seal to pay for products provides both buyer and seller a guaranteed exchange of goods. With
regular fiat money transactions, there is no way to tell with certainty whether (a) the product is genuine and (b) physical
money / banknotes are not counterfeited. The Seal Token acts as a currency that is optimized for transacting consumer
goods, an especially powerful feature in the secondhand market trade. Sovereign currencies like USD or EUR are
primitive in comparison to Seal and its powerful properties as a medium of exchange and utility token.

Decentralized Apps for Brands
Seal will help brands set up their own decentralized apps for their products on the Seal Network. Seal Tokens can be
used to interact with these decentralized brand apps (bApps), each with their own logic and services attached to them.
We envision a future where all major brands communicate with the Seal Network where Seal Tokens serve as the
communication medium between the Seal Network and the bApps.


Value Creation
The value in the Seal ecosystem is linked to the brands that place their products on the Seal Network. Each service on
the Seal Network costs a service fee. Brands decide on the price of ownership transfers so that it suits their product,
strategy and brand image. The more value is captured and protected by Seal chips, the higher the value of the entire
network becomes. This will depend on the total volume and value of these goods.

Network Effects
The utility of Seal tokens increases as more and more brands adopt the platform. To explain how network effects
improve utility, a classic example is a phone network where the utility of the first phone in the network is low, but
becomes more useful as more people start using phones. Network effects will impact the value of Seal, for the same
reasons the increasing adoption of Bitcoin and Ethereum has impacted their respective value. When more brands use
Seal and when more services are available for use within the Seal Network, consumer adoption of the token will
increase, together with its demand. With time, more and more products will reach the secondary market, where we
expect Seal and its token to have the biggest impact.

Tokens Required
Seal tokens are required to enter the ecosystem. The Seal tokens power the Seal Network. They enable low-cost
micropayments between the Seal Network, consumers, and brands.

Future Use
Depending on future developments and regulations, additional properties can be added to the token. These properties
could include voting rights or other token holder incentives.



Token Diagram



History of Seal

Bart and Joris worked together on a social mobile games startup in the past. Back in 2013 we put our gaming hardware to work mining Bitcoin and Litecoin after office hours.
We quickly figured out that coupling NFC technology with the blockchain would be a disruption to the illicit practice of counterfeiting, and that this is a use case with the potential to put the blockchain into the hands of millions of people.
Although our initial work was done back then, we knew the market was not ready yet. In 2017, we realized it was time to put our masterplan to work, and so we did.


Team

Bart Verschoor (CEO)
Joris Verschoor (COO & CTO)
Michael de Blok (VP USA)
Ilya Rool (VP EU)
Yuri Scholten (Business Development)
Alexandra Moraga Pizarro (Blockchain Security Specialist)
Kian Ghiri (Marketing Strategist & Content Manager)
Desley Mooij (Marketing Manager & Business Analyst)
Joël Happé (Blockchain Specialist)
Willem Nauta (Social Media Manager)



Past & Upcoming Events

Past
Blockchain Talks - Amsterdam - March 15
BlockShow Meetup - Amsterdam - March 30

Upcoming
Blockchain Expo - London - April 19

Articles

Media
Blockchain startup Seal wants to abrupt - tackle the billion dollar industry of fake products (NL)
Bart Verschoor interview with Business Insider (NL)
Two brothers disrupt the counterfeit economy with blockchain start up Seal Network (ENG)
Seal starts Token Sale against the fake industry (NL)
Seal blockchain authentication network for product services (ENG)
Lessons from Dutch entrepreneurs how to raise funds for an Token Sale (NL)

Medium
Protecting the value of creation with seal (ENG)
How Ethereum found the potential to power the global economy (ENG)
10 reasons why you should invest in seal (ENG)
New generation smartphones changing device interaction with native NFC capability (ENG)
3 reason why you own more fake product than you realise (ENG)
What is Seal network (ENG)
How to cherish authenticity in the transition from ownership to access (ENG)

Interesting
NFC enabled smart packaging is a real opportunity for retail (ENG)
Jeff Bezos called out on amazons counterfeit products problem (ENG)
Crypto bitcoin millionaires collectibles (ENG)
Counterfeit Toronto raptors jersey footlocker (ENG)
Louis Vuitton knows all too well counterfeiting is a costly bargain (ENG)
NXP semiconductors five moves ahead competitors (ENG)


Video's


Seal Videos
Brand movie
Product Demo
Explainer Video

Interviews
Bart speaking at the Crypto Economy World Tour in London
Bart being interviewed by Jorgen Welsink at the CryptoAcadamy
MMcrypto interviewing CEO Bart Verschoor
Interview Joël Happé - Investor & Seal blockchain specialist
Joris speaking at Crypto Economy World Tour - Amsterdam
Interview Joël Happé & Thomas van der Bijl


Pictures






Frequently Asked Questions


Why do you need a Seal token?
The Seal token is used as a currency. Products may be purchased in full with Seal tokens. This guarantees an exchange of goods.
Used to pay for services, such as registering ownership, flagging as lost or stolen, etcetera. For a full overview of the services offered, please refer to the whitepaper.
Decentralized brand apps (bApps)
Low-cost micropayments between the Seal Network, consumers, and brands.

What kinds of chips do u use?
NFC chip made by NXP. The chip uses AES cryptographic authentication and allows to automatically and securely connect to a web service by just tapping the tag without the need of a dedicated app installed on the mobile NFC device. Seal chips use three AES 128-bit application keys. To put this into perspective, a single 128-bit key would take 1.44 billion years to crack.


How can I participate in the pre-sale?
Register on this page to get white listed.





5  Economy / Speculation / New bear market? on: January 31, 2016, 11:20:00 PM
Seems like this can be a new bear market to me.

Like how the price went from ~430 to ~680 in 2014, and then started to to fall for quite some time all the way to the 200's.
6  Other / Off-topic / Do you have the IO HAWK / hands free segway? on: October 31, 2015, 01:11:06 AM
I'm buying one of these next week! Got me really excited.

video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFEKxzuaA1k

Did you get one? Do you like it?


7  Other / Off-topic / Do you wear underwear? on: September 30, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
Recently I was lazy and put my slacks on without underwear.
Since then I have not been wearing underwear because this feels much more comfortable.
I always disliked the way my boxers were riding up, especially when wearing jeans.

I recommend everyone to give this a try. Cool
8  Economy / Exchanges / OKCoin bitcoin Futures help on: September 17, 2015, 10:28:58 PM
Never mind.
9  Other / Off-topic / . on: May 21, 2015, 03:14:15 AM
GO!
10  Other / Meta / Speculation forums getting cluttered on: May 17, 2015, 10:18:18 PM
Something needs to be done about the situation we have in the speculation forums.
Brand new accounts are spamming new topics on a daily basis.

This is very annoying to everyone that is participating for serious discussions.
Any ideas to fix the situation would be appreciated.

My suggestion:
Make it so that newcomers can't start new topics over there.
11  Economy / Speculation / Morecoin analysis [bitcoin/USD market observations] on: April 14, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
Hi everyone,

I trade bitcoin for a living because I firmly believe that being self sufficient is one of the most important things a person can do.
I will put my opinions about the market here, and I will try to identify the positive and negative developments.


Always remember:
- Plan your trade, and trade your plan. If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail.
- Buy low, sell high.
- Every time you win, someone else loses.
- There is only one bottom line in trading and that bottom line is how much money you make.
- This is one of the most stressful jobs on earth. You have stress every single second. Not everybody can survive.
- Any technical indicator is really just a fancy moving average.
- The moment you start to believe you are invincible is likely the moment before you are about to take a beating.
- The market has a paddle big enough to give anyone a spanking.
- Trading is not supposed to be entertainment.


disclaimer: Use your own discretion to guide your trading decisions.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Did someone hack me? Suspecious transaction on: March 26, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
I had 0.08566347 btc in this wallet:
1AqTzzy3wtNV71e3CRKNKR9xxf3PPYff1H

I send 0.00032173 btc to this wallet:
1MD2TribW7pSFtU2snSHKhfSxTV5TFY9Mz

Both wallets belong to me only and are password protected.

Transaction ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/4070be32f898fefae8047799eda1f7171cc163373dc878969d3ef6e9be5d2e22


Now wallet 1AqTzzy3wtNV71e3CRKNKR9xxf3PPYff1H has no balance left and I see a weird transaction to:
1KWNwVhrvXqTDjkp7aE6mn9hNLKH7BeMcF
It is combined with my transaction that I did intentionally. But I never ordered for the remainder of the coins to go to above address? What is happening? Shocked
13  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin price theory - Government pump and dump on: March 18, 2015, 06:08:44 PM
US Marshals Service pump and dump:

  • Announce bitcoin auction
  • Pump bitcoin
  • Sell overpriced coins to unaware bidders
  • Dump bitcoin
  • Make money $$$
14  Economy / Speculation / Should I sell my EUROs? on: March 06, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Euro price going down. Sell or hodl?
15  Economy / Speculation / Four Punch Raiders? on: February 14, 2015, 09:36:04 PM
Where did this originate? Who are they? Anyone know anything?
16  Economy / Speculation / Time to squeeze those shorts: Buy buy buy! on: January 19, 2015, 06:21:38 PM
Let's destroy the manbearwhale!  Grin
17  Economy / Speculation / I'm breaking $200, sorry guys :( on: January 14, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
Best of luck, I'm out for now. Will watch close tho.
18  Economy / Speculation / . on: January 13, 2015, 08:59:19 AM
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19  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin/USD Trade Thread by Professional on: January 03, 2015, 02:35:52 PM
locked

TOPIC CONTINUED HERE: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1024633
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Wallet for Android / Safety question - using same wallet on phone and pc on: December 25, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
Hi! I installed the Bitcoin Wallet for Android today. Nice app, thanks!

For convenience I feel like using the wallet from my laptop also on my phone.
I put the encrypted MultiBit backup on my device and set a PIN for spending coins within the app.

By storing this wallet on two separate devices my coins in this wallet are less prone to hardware failure, right?
and
If my phone gets stolen will my coins be safe if I use MultiBit on my laptop to transfer my coins to a new address as soon as possible?
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