[Scam accusation on this user:]

Scam accusation on this user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936

He runs a lending thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.0


Here a user Twipple, requested a loan of 0.025 BTC to be paid back on 30th PM.  :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801

Then User Twipple created a new account to give the account details of Twipple account to Ume : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10257091#msg10257091

Ume confirmed by quoting the post of the new account, and mentioned the TX ID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10257108#msg10257108

Ok I gave you the account, waiting for the btc

ok Thanks sent you exact 0.025

https://blockchain.info/address/15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB

repayment will be on the same address 0.04 just tell me after sending !

you have total 5 days you will repay me on 30 jan on 6 PM from now !

Have a nice day !

The transaction in that address is signed and says: " Public Note: Sent to twipple as a loan of 0.025 repayment 0.04 in 5 days on 30 Jan : 6:PM " which proves, the new account belongs to Twipple, as it was quoted for sending the loan to .  


After loan period is over:

Today Ume creates a new thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098  (after loan period over)

hey guys !!!

i provided a loan to Twipple : and i got collatearl his account member status i provided 0.02 ! so i got a question ttoday is the repaymnet day but he did`nt pay me yet ! so what to do seize the account ?

Then some one says:

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

to which Ume replies

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

well i dont even know his new account ! he did`nt try to get to contact with me ! he did`nt transact the amount which i send from his addy so what to do just confused !

In this ^ post he clearly says, that he doesn't even know Twipple's new account , and from the posts mentioned above , we can see that : evrynet is  Twipples alt account who ad posted to confirm his loan, and Ume denies even knowing about it.





Now Ume's posting from Twipple's account , making spam posts, to get the account to Full Member and sell it. You can also see last seen online on Twipple's account and Ume's account is at the same time(just to prove, its still in control of Ume)
He also created an auction for it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941258
Now its perfectly alright to sell an account which was escrowed and did not pay, but I suspect something else, as Ume clearly denied knowing Twipple's alternate account, whereas we can clearly see he quoted and put in the Txid(which is signed) on evrynet's post.


Two things could be true :
1. Twipple didn't pay, and now Ume is selling the account for profit.
2. Ume took Twipple's account, and made a post as everynet(could be his own account) on his own thread , so now even if someone comes posing as Twipple, saying Ume stole it, then Ume could use everynet as an excuse.
The moral of the story : Always use an escrow to hold your account while you take a loan .

Now obviously, Ume isn't just a normal lender. He actually has multiple accounts and has been involved in selling accounts before.
Even his first post on the forum was about selling a FM account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=804302
his post history indicates him going over a lot of threads about selling accounts.

He has also been tryinbg to lend money by holding accounts and taking accounts as collateral. He is always insisting people to give accounts as collateral.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10186079#msg10186079
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10249542#msg10249542
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10251512#msg10251512
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10299549#msg10299549


Another account of Ume:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=333356
neg repped before for asking loans as newbie.

Another possible account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370966





He also said, he will wait until tomorrow for Twipple to contact him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098.msg10310802#msg10310802
But instead made the selling account post today itself, and is trying to ditch the account as soon as possible.

Just to warn out users .
This account  KingofSports : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87310   has negative trust due to being a scammer.

Just to point out, this is his altaccount: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=308442


KoS , posted a reply here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=908192.msg10038913#msg10038913
The exact same reply was posted a minute ago, by WhatsBitcoin(the alt account mentioned above) , above converting 0.5 LTC into 50 LTC. But it was deleted by himself, and then made by KoS , to increase post count for KoS.

I went to WhatsBitcoin profile as well, and saw an already existing trust from uv, that he was an altaccount of KingofSports .
Just confirming this, and warning users here.

Even though altaccount are allowed, its good to be aware of altaccounts belonging to Scammers.

[UPDATE: Read my latest comment, on how this has been made clear by marco now.]

This is just a possible scam , that can happen . Just making members here aware of it.
This campaign was launched today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765
There is an escrow involved, but there is no point of having him. The campaign pays out only into the wallets of your website account, and not to your own external wallets. I am assuming, all payments will be made together at the end of the month.

Reasons I think it could be a scam.
1. The campaign is paying out 20 BTC per month(atleast for the first month) . This amount is 3x other highest paying campaigns. They earn on trading commisions(0.22%), and this is too high to pay out for the campaign(almost equivalent to 10,000 BTC trading). But might happen in the long run.
2. They are getting all the payments back to their website, which basically could end up being a scam. Their current campaign offers 30 Senior spots and 20 hero and Legendary. Which could be an attempt, to Spam the forum, in order to get a Lot of attention. If it works, they MIGHT pay and process withdrawls after Jan 1st.  If not, then pssshhh....funds gone. Website gone. ..

I also don't understand the need for an escrow for this, if the funds are ultimately going to be sent back to wallets whose private keys are owned by the website.Again, I am not saying it is a certain scam, but I don't understand, why would funds need to be sent back to the website, if an escrow is involved?

UPDATE: Read my latest comment, on how this has been made clear by marco now.

[Facts:]

Hi All.
This campaign here could be a potential Scam.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=875272.0

Facts:
1.The owner of the website chose a Hero Member(Non-Trusted and never been an escrow before)  for escrowing the funds of the campaign ( 7 BTC)
2.A lot of people requested a proper trusted escrow for the funds but it was declined. Carra said, that if enough people show interest, he will be willing to use another escrow.
 After a lot of people posted about their concerns, Caara posted this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=875272.msg9680889#msg9680889

Accusations:
1.Firstly, The Escrow in this case is a Hero Member account. It could very well be a purchased account or he could be behind the cloud mining site.
2. I don't see why would anyone send the funds to a Hero Member for escrowing if that member has had no past experience of escrowing the funds. The Cryptomine site owner said, that they want  to give new users a chance, but it all sounds fishy. No one gives an anonymous person 7 BTC to escrow, specially when he has no past history of trust.

3. After a lot of requests, Caara finally made this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=875272.msg9680889#msg9680889
It sounds like he is making decisions independently, which suggests he is also the site owner. I would love to see messages exchanged between the site owner and Caara about this decision.

I reallly don't see why would they not let another escrow members hold the funds(redsn0w) , who is trusted and is willing to hold the funds for free.
People would rather trust the money with a trusted escrow rather than a New user who has a Hero Account. The only way to make it a legit campaign is to allow another escrow, or do the payouts weekly. But it seems, that both are being declined and the 10 day payout is offered at a much lower price.