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21  Economy / Speculation / 5k before year end 2015 on: January 15, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/the-winkdex-btc-5000-or-more-in-2015/

All you bears should be all over this one!
22  Economy / Speculation / ~1% below $300? Is that all you got!? on: January 03, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
I've seen bigger sell offs in my back yard!

A spike down to retest $270 region would have been Far more impressive instead we keep limping down.

this is not blood, no Bulls have been slaughtered here. Bear harder!
23  Economy / Speculation / Average Buy in for 2014... on: October 06, 2014, 02:09:51 PM
I don't trade but I bought a little bit on the way back down, just like in 2011. Just like then it really hurt to do it, and just like then each further drop made me question everything! (and who's to say its over yet).

Anyway my average buy in (weighted) is $461.86 I'm pretty pleased with that... glad I caught a few in the 320s!

24  Economy / Speculation / Crunch time! on: October 02, 2014, 10:08:35 AM
I don't trade, so I don't do a lot of what folks would probably call TA, but I do think that past price can give you some information about market participants psychology.

In the past each run up has typically been followed by a period of bottom discovery. A process which seems to be unfolding again. This is my take on whats been going on.

1. Profit taking

The ATH is in, when panic buying is finally overtaken by profit taking. This first big move usually sets the ball park for where the bottom will eventually be and this time looks to be no exception. We had three ("dead cat") bounces in december, each making lower lows. The final one we settled into the long steady decline which seeks to discover base support. This looked to have been found mid april with a capitulation sell to mid 360s. Bottom fishers pushed the price back up but the major downtrend was not ready to resolve until mid may.

2. Attempted break out

The triangle resolved, and we broke out to the upside, there wasn't really enough volume to support this move though, and as it ran out of steam we resumed the downtrend.

3. Continuation

The unconvincing breakout says to me that there was still plenty of downside left unexplored. Although we had visited lows a few months prior, the euphoria of the previous ATH lingered and sentiment was never really that bad. There was nothing like the deluge of "bitcoin is doomed" posts we are seeing now. I think thing that niggled at people's minds was the big question mark over whether the April low was really the bottom?

4. Unconfirmed

The only way to surely know something is to test it, and the market demands answers. I think we have to revisit that low and test it conclusively. We need to do it whilst sentiment is at a low (unlike in april, where false hope may have terminated the capitulation early?) only then will the market have decided whether we need to test new lows, or whether it is happy that mid 360s is a bad is it will get.


25  Economy / Speculation / *that* chart, debunked. aka "Hello, McFly?" on: October 01, 2014, 08:49:14 AM
26  Economy / Speculation / In the interests of fairness / Kaminska strikes again on: September 29, 2014, 10:06:47 PM
This was, in other words, the equivalent of the Federal Reserve guaranteeing Bitcoin.

http://pastebin.com/DQ5ApRyW
27  Economy / Speculation / [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 {<-oops!} months from now (2017 Update!) on: September 27, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
After last nights excursion into how bitcoin adoption plays out, I played around with some charts. Broadly based around these concepts.

A. There is an underlying sigmoid function (wikipedia'd that one!) that drives base valuation - the adoption curve.
B. That the market price is some cyclical function underpinned by the base valuation (A).
C. We end with widespread adoption after about 10 years, representing a base value of BTC based on some percentage of the economy. I picked risto's $300k because its as good a figure as any Smiley

If you use the function tan^-1 to model the s-curve
If you use some function such as sin to model a cycle

Then all is left to do is set up some start and end points, and mess around with modifiers to amplitude and frequency of the cyclical input, and rate of adoption of S-curve.

After trying out a variety of values it became obvious this was just an exercise in throwing darts Smiley - if it wasn't already obvious this is not a method of trying to predict highs and lows so you can trade your way to victory. It is more an exercise in preparing mentally for the magnitude of movement that one might expect were these assumptions of mass market adoption true.

It became clear, that it doesn't matter what values you put in. There is always some point where, despite how incredible/insane you think BTC price has been up to know, it pales compared to what it would need to do to fulfil this kind of projection.

No matter how you try to tame this model, doing so makes early movements far too placid.

Eventually I settled on a model that roughly followed the trend up to $1200ish with a sell off to about $400, then zoomed out to see how those parameters unfold over the 10 year adoption curve.

I got this...



I though this is ridiculous, it can't possibly happen. Then I thought, how else *could* it happen.

*if* it is ever to go mainstream. like a serious part of the world economy mainstream, there has to be a tipping point. Up until now the whole bitcoin market cap has been toy money compared to the kind of numbers that are thrown around when people start talking about things like the money supply, and absolute chicken feed compared to things like derivatives.

There has already been talk that the most recent price spike was 'the last time'. People claim everybody already knows about bitcoin, its all over now. I think this is nonsense. If I go out in the street and do a spot survey on people, your answers range from "oh yeah I think i heard of it on the news one time" to "huh?". The man in the street does *not* know about bitcoin. Anyone claiming they do is merely demonstrating their embarrassingly limited world view. Maybe every one of your online mates knows about it, but bitcoin isn't WoW gold. In a 'success' scenario - widespread adoption - it's slightly more relevant on a global IRL scale.

Wall st has indeed come. Its just that people are looking at things from the wrong angle. Wall st is part of the infrastructure that is currently rising up, such that once everyone notices what has happened. It's already happened.

To get to 300k we have to get through 3k and 30k. When the world's eyes turn to what bitcoin has become, then there will be no orderly queue, and understandable rise. It will be full on (mask) hysteria. The rise to 32 was when the neck beards were buying into a 7200BTC per day production. The rise to 266 was the first wave of internet interest, the rise to $1200 was a continuation fuelled the rest of the plugged in generation. It made the MSM which may have fuelled a little speculation. That's when things got serious.

Governments have noticed it, powerful people have noticed it, *banks* have noticed it. Right now we are in a perfect storm of the aftermath of a huge overshoot on the purchase of mining equipment - this is *fact* as evidence by the hash rate/difficulty.

This will take time to unravel. It surely will though, as irrational as people are, they will eventually stop flushing money down the mining drain. That money will turn towards the supply. As it becomes obvious the bottom is in, that is when people will start the next run up. Only this time it isn't going to be just neckbeards, redditors, hipsters and anonymous, it will be institutions. That have pretty much unlimited buying power by virtue of them essentially being able to print their own money, because they are TBTF and will just keep bankrolling each other whilst nuzzling the teat of QE washing away their toxic assets.

So the move will be unprecedented.

Unprecedented to you and I and all the other peons around here. To those behind the move, they just spent a few hundred millions to acquire assets they can now assign book values of billions. Selling into this only makes you weaker in the end game, and selling is what they want you to do because those dollars you are acquiring get more worthless the more bitcoin they have. Who here though has the constitution to hold as they see the price double repeatedly. We are still at the end of the day all hardwired for fiat. As much as anyone pretends they are not.

So the number I have picked is probably not that accurate. The magnitude, and the colossal unbeleivableness of it, is what is important. That's the black swan that nobody sees coming. That 90% of the people in the world will miss 90% of the bitcoin.

I repeat this exercise is about being ready if this happens. About having thought about what you are going to do. Me personally, I don't pretend for a second I can hold tight to everything. I'll sell a little on the run up just like a have every other time, and just like every other time, I will regret the stuff a sold a week earlier for far less. Just like every other time, when the dancing is done I'll reflect about how I used to have soooo many more bitcoin. Just like every other time, I will have made my end game worse.

I won't have sold everything though.

That's the difference between this post and every "talking your book but pretending not to" post on here. Everyone knows I'm long, I'm not telling anyone to go all in or all out I don't think posts on here make the slightest bit of difference, we are way beyond that now. The train has left the station and the driver is still drunk in the station bar. I'm just chatting to people about what I think. Getting more responses and replies from people who have other ideas and using this to shape my future decisions.

I'm already well past caring about whether I *lose everything* because for a long time now that's been impossible. The fact that people are up on here posting "advice" to sell is even more ridiculous to me than the suggestion that btc will be worth over half a million in just over a years time.

For the record, yes that chart does say over  1m in 3 years. It also says 250k the year later. It absolutely terrifies me to think how one might ride that out. Once again the figures aren't right, its the magnitude of the moves you might have to go through that is the message.
28  Economy / Speculation / Charts? You want charts!? on: September 27, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Last nights interactive discussion on the future of Bitcoin!



Yes, we have a wall that is a blackboard.
29  Economy / Speculation / Troll Doubt setting in on: September 24, 2014, 06:00:13 PM
Their posts seem more and more hopeful, seemingly unsure of their own rhetoric...

"Midweek massacre coming?" (question)
"Nobody is really shorting" (implied question mark)

Coupled with a distinct slow down in new threads from Sevvero, Xiaoxiao and failling. Not to mention the total disappearance of fonsie.

This recent spike had some pretty good volume. 10% of the last 30days.

Enough to shake the most stubborn bear Smiley

Enough to make this sleepy bull stir...

Maybe I speak to soon, wouldn't be the first time, but the dark cloud feels like it is finally moving away.
30  Economy / Speculation / What if the spike is Sonny and Josh hiding their dollars? on: September 23, 2014, 09:08:19 PM
Just a crazy idea that hit me out of left field. Sorry about that. I'll get my coat.
31  Economy / Speculation / *That* chart has made it all the way to the FT! on: September 23, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/09/19/1976132/cult-markets-when-the-bubble-bursts/

... and they is calling for fear and capitulation!

I think they could be right, I don't think so but its hard to know what you really feel when you've been desensitised by the previous two bubble/recoveries. I have also said this before, but it really does feel like the low single digits after the ~$30 high.

I thought the latest sell off could have been that capitulation event, but i wonder if it really had enough impetus?... perhaps one more to come? I don't know.

For sure this is not advice to sell (for me nothing has changed in the value proposition of HODLing)

This post is just me thinking out loud and seeing what anyone else might be thinking. It's even nice to get feedback from the odd frothing troll, as good an indicator as any of what's probably not happening Wink

I think we still bouncing around the bottom, building a base. I still think its telling that we are only ~66% off the all time high. For me this confirms the idea that BTC is building innate value as a medium of exchange in addition to its value derived from being speculative vehicle for traders looking to flip a quick profit.

If it was really the south sea oil tulip bubble, then the collapse would have been longer harder, and with very much less retained value at the end. More like a 95%+ crash back to sub $100 prices, certainly below the previous ATH. Yet, that did not happen.

Risto called the bottom as $340 in feb, we went up,we came back down. It feels like normal price action for bottom discovery when you strip away all the post-hoc reasoning and just take a longer term view of how something like this would probably behave in its inevitable rise. We still haven't really deviated from the long term exponential S curve that one would expect. We still appear to be in the early growth stages, and all the right things are still happening. When the public eye comes around the next time, it will discover that far from going away. BTC just carried on going from strength to strength whilst people's backs were turned. I think thats going to make people sit up and look.

They were pretty interested last time around and all we had was a shabby exchange, and very little regulatory oversight. This time around... and its coming... I wonder what people will make of it? Eventually all this smoke is going to give away the fire.

Its a tough wait, but I think its going to be worthwhile.

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32  Economy / Speculation / Short *all* the Bitcoin on: September 19, 2014, 08:10:56 PM
The most beautiful sight... Short interest greater than the total BTC float.

I'm not suggesting you cover, people will do what they will.

I'm suggesting you are picking up nickels I. Front of the steam roller.

Don't confuse "not run over yet" status with anything...
33  Economy / Speculation / What has the Scottish pound got to do with bitcoin? on: July 13, 2014, 09:39:19 AM
Dream thread!

So I just woke up from a dream where i was on holiday in Scotland and had a bunch if Scottish bank notes. I was due to come back to England soon but it wasn't a problem because I knew I could use them (with the odd funny look) as normal.

Then a guy walks in and shouts "last call for notes" I didn't know what he was talking about, so I asked around and I was told it was the <strange dream word> of the scottish currency. I dunno what the word was but it meant they were getting rid of it and everyone had to swap their Scottish notes at the bank.

Then there was a bit of gathering and off it went to be swapped the dream petered out and I woke up.

I sat and thought about it for a whole and then had an epiphany

It's an extension to the idea that the govt is behind btc, and what happens to the USD in the end. I think the USD won't actually physically go away but instead it will one day become pegged to Bitcoin.

Say the fed gets hold of enough btc that they can peg 1usd to 1000 satoshi or something, they could easily cover all usd in circulation. They probably wouldn't stop there though, instead they would probably make sure they had plenty more in reserve (clue's in the name!).

The ins and outs are probably debatable but as a broad concept I think this is totally a way to effectively switch from USD to BTC without "breaking" money for the unwashed masses, and to also 'save' the dollar.

No dollar collapse, no forced switch, no tricky technology for people to learn, fed still owns pretty much all the money (because of course they are acquiring btc all the time cheaper than the eventual rate they will peg it at. They just need enought to make sure that all the people that get 'rich' in dollar terms in the way, don't end up that *relatively* rich when compared to the fed.)
34  Other / Off-topic / Milk as an extended metaphor for BTC on: May 23, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
In this short film we explore what it is like to encounter bitcoin for the first time. How it starts to pervade your life, and finally hiw you become so consumed it is your everything.

I feel an empathy for both the slave and the master having played the role of each at some time, both in the forum and IRL

It's mildly disturbing, no violence sex or swearing though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekg2Ku8mWl8

Enjoy your milk
35  Economy / Speculation / 3 important graphs everyone should see on: May 05, 2014, 11:33:33 PM


i might not even be trolling.
36  Economy / Speculation / My First Bitcoin Spam, early adoption indeed! on: May 01, 2014, 02:18:07 PM
This is so cute. I'm sure these lessons will be of great value to me and everyone here Wink

So if we are starting to see these kind of spam emails, does that mean we truly are in early adoption phase? Its just really hard to think you are when you have been in the game for 3 years already and already seen 100,000% price increase....

(note mods, im not advertising or endorsing this at all! there is no link - just gently teasing Mr Flynn)



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37  Economy / Speculation / BFL refunds factor in price increase? on: April 16, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
So I noticed on BFL troll box that some guy was saying he just got his refund in BTC.

It got me to thinking that there is probably a significant number of other people claiming refunds of r $x,000 a pop and that if they are electing BTC that BFL will be having to buy them off the market.

I know its not much in the grand scheme of things, but it could be several thousand dollars a day of buying pressure that wouldn't otherwise exist...

Bulls, bears, over to you to spin this Wink
38  Economy / Service Discussion / Paper cites MtGOX malleability only accounts for 400 coins missing on: March 27, 2014, 01:29:27 PM
http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676

I'm not in the 'karpeles is a theif' camp, I don't think anyone can actually know, and everyone who is damn sure they do know needs to check themselves.

However, this is the kind of evidence that makes it more of a possibility.
39  Economy / Speculation / A Poll with 3 options, how necessary is it? on: February 28, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
srsly. every other thread?
40  Economy / Speculation / Thoe Gox-Stamp differential on: February 25, 2014, 08:26:27 PM

click to enlargify


I couldn't find any charts that showed the price action with gox first then stamp so I put together this composite. It's hand scaled so might be out by the odd pixel. Gox is greyed behind, Bitstamp is in front in colour.

There was that clear range that gox had been trending in, coincidentally, that held even whilst they were imploding.

You can see the initial gox premium, and how it pretty much disappeared overnight at the end of January, than as everyone is familiar with by now the huge divergence.

If we use the trading range initially defined by the gox price, and consider stamp going forward, seems there is still room for a move to just under $100.

However since then people have suggested a more optimistic trading range, something like the one in purple, which has held so far as stamp is concerned. This would suggest the bottom is either in, or is coming soon.

I don't really have an opinion on this, thought it was an interesting recap of where we've been. I've bought a little back on stamp recently. I took a punt on gox, which looks a bit shaky at the moment to say the least. Just HODLing as usual. The longer the price holds up on stamp et-al the more it feels like this bear market is going to blow over as it has done before.

That's not to say we'll ever get another of the crazy run-ups, but if that (purple) trading range holds, then really who needs it!!!
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