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61  Economy / Speculation / bullish news ? on: October 11, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
purchases with bitcoin are cleared of extra vat in germany. extra vat does not apply to btc.  Smiley

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Bislang war die umsatzsteuerliche Behandlung von Bitcoins umstritten. Nun schafft das Finanzministerium im Online-Handel Klarheit. Experten sehen digitale Währungen jetzt vor dem großen Durchbruch.

"until present the vat status of bitcoin was not clear. now the ministry of finance brings clarity to online trade. experts see digital currencies on the brink of a major breakthrough"

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/article120823372/Zahlungen-mit-Bitcoins-sind-umsatzsteuerfrei.html

(note: the "welt" is a very conservative newspaper)

edit: extra



62  Economy / Speculation / % increase in 2013 on: October 09, 2013, 08:09:59 PM
bitcoins past years performances were astonishing. 2013 is also looking good. but how good ?

reference is $ 13,- (gox)  
63  Economy / Service Discussion / bitstamp down... on: October 02, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
i cannot access my bitstamp account.

neither panic sell nor buy...   Huh
64  Economy / Speculation / creating demand for bitcoin on: September 23, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
we need more people getting involved into bitcoin. we all know this, but what do we do for it ?

so what have you achieved so far in terms of people that you made investing into btc ? since it is not proofable i hope for genuine answers and i will give you my figures:


person 1) he bought btc for approx 2 k € and put another 3 k € into mining
person 2) she invested 5 k € into btc and another 5 k € into mining
person 3) he invested 5 k € into mining
person 4) he invested 2.5 k € into btc, 2.5 k € into mining
person 5) he invested 5 k $ into btc
person 6) he invested 2.5 k € into btc and 2.5 k € into mining

so far i have helped people to invest the sum of 11.5 k € + 5 k $ = 20 000,- $ into bitcoin.

those are investments i know for sure. i try to talk about the beauty of this new technology with anyone i can. therefore, it is possible that there were more people getting involved without my knowledge.

this poll is put into the speculation subforum since major btc rises will only occur when bitcoin becomes more mainstream. 
65  Economy / Service Discussion / kraken !? on: September 19, 2013, 09:09:42 AM
why has kraken´s progress so little impact on this forum? the bitcoin economy needs more exchanges. why is there so little fuzz overhere about this one? or did i miss something ?
66  Economy / Economics / will the bitcoin economy benefit from risk taking attitude of participants ? on: September 08, 2013, 11:45:57 PM
many bitcoin fans are gamblers, and despite of all the talk about hoarding and buy-and-hold-forever, my impression is that a lot of them are way above average when it comes to investing in new ideas. they/we seem to throw around bitcoins as if it were play money. is this strengthening the bitcoin economy, or is it dangerous ? please share your thoughts.
67  Bitcoin / Meetups / announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: September 01, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
+ + +  MORE THAN 220 RESERVATIONS  + + +


C A N C E L L E D

check: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285771.msg8654308#msg8654308


TICKET IPO HAS LAUNCHED
follow link on https://btc1k.com/
or go directly to https://tickets.btc1k.com/



PARTY MADE IT TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
http://www.wsj.de/article/SB10001424052702304858104579262183094475114.html
(german edition)



i think it is time for the following announcement:

should bitcoin ever reach 1000,- $ it is time for an international, mind-blowing, monomentous, crazy PARTY of members of the bitcoin forum. it will take place in one of the banking highrises in frankfurt/germany and it will be huge, wild and unforgettable. we all work "very hard" while probably getting rich, or at least dreaming about it. after all this "hard work" we need some "hard" partying. the bankers need to get used to the fact that we are dancing on their roofs!

-when it reaches 1000,- $ it will only cost a bitcoin or two for anyone to pay a flight to frankfurt.

-it is time for getting to know each other in person.

-bulls and bears welcome

-some say bitcoin owners will be the new money elite- by then it is time to start behaving accordingly


edit: everyone is welcome.


this thread is a flytrap. you post here and you will be listed. Grin

edit: the list of attendants has been moved to

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368601.0



This may be the event of our lives here! People may talk about it in boring history classes years later... We should plan big....

This may be a part of history... especially if we make it!



proposal
bitcoin itself and this forum especially can be a fun hobby. we have the impression that, with all those serious discussions/fights, the fun part is sometimes somewhat missing. the when-bitcoin-reaches-1000 $-party is 100% dedicated to the FUN part !  

the following are proposals only and we are open for suggestions. planning an event for 500 or 1000 people is not possible with complete consent on every little detail, so relax. the most important thing will be to have a hell of a party with all of you, being staged in a professional and secure manner. if you really really hate this idea just fuck off keep counting your precious coins and polish your lone wolf image... Cheesy


timing/trigger
our current plan is to play it this way: everything should get armed and ready to rumble within the next coming weeks and months. as soon bitcoin reaches 1000 $ and stays there for 30 days in a row (bitstamp $ 24 h average) this will be our trigger. since everything has been set up during the waiting period, after ignition triggers we will only need 6 -8 additonal weeks to actually unleash this monster.
(edit: changed trigger period from 5 to 30 days)

size
first goal is to sell 500 tickets. if it turns out that more people like the idea and want to pass out with us, we will consider so sell 500 additional tickets, making it a party of 1000 intelligent, handsome & wealthy btc-fans. the first 500 tickets will be sold in 5 batches of 100 tickets. ticket sale will start in december 2013.


what to expect
there will be a customer service (email) if you have questions you do not want to discuss in this thread. on the days around the party there will be a hotline available for you. once you step out the airport building there will be a shuttle service that brings you to your hotel and later to the venue (the driver will supply you with a mask if you don´t want to be exposed to media when entering the battlefield). at the party you will be welcomed like a celebrity, including stretch limo, red carpet, cheering fans... professional security will guard the event. inside there will be a public section, also open for media, maybe some booths where bitcoin projects and sponsors can be met and registration.
the larger section will be kept strictly private, non-commercial, no media, no cameras. a luxurious 5 star catering will spoil everyone until late, several bars will serve class a drinks, all kinds of booze all night long (all included). there will be artists, an international dj line-up on several floors and a main event with some superstar (suggestions for superstar/dj are welcome). expect a chill out area, and of course you be able to get online. the program will include an event concerning charity. the shuttle service will bring you back to your hotel (or directly to the airport when you are  serious party animal)  


flights
after trigger is reached you will have 6 to 8 weeks for flight reservations. there are services available that sell airline tickets for btc – maybe we can get one of them to become sponsor of our party and get specail rates for you.  airfare is not included in party ticket.


hotels
to use the purchasing power of 1000 guests we will come up with hotel packages in different price levels with partnering hotels in order to get best rates for you. we plan to include basic accomodation with ticket purchase, but calculations are not done yet, so it is not for sure if this works out.  of course you can also book the hotel of your choice yourself, the offered packages are not mandatory, they are designed to save you time and coins.


anonymity
We are not sure if this is an important feature for you, but in case it is we will provide all services around the party and the party itself in a way that we do not need to know your id.  hotels in germany though will demand proper id. we will not have access to hotel guest information. if you do not care about us knowing who you are you can short-cut the registration procedure at the venue since we could send your ticket to your home adress in advance.


bitcoin-only event
we will put he greatest effort in making this event completly fiatless. we will accept only btc as payment and we will try to only use btc for all expenses. let´s see if a david guetta takes btc...


homepage
coming this december there will be  is a website for this event, where you will be able to view information and purchase tickets. (ticket sales start in december)
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name/brand
we are currently using btc-1k party or when-bitcoin-reaches 1000-dollar-party as a working titles, but we are open for suggestions


bitcoin celebrities
we would like to invite important bitcoin celebrities to this once-in-a-lifetime event. please let us know who you want to meet at the event and more importantly- if you happen to know a bitcoin-star, please use your charme to get this person to our party... (mr nakamoto just called and told us he is coming!)


tickets
the ticket payment processing will be managed exclusively by Bits of Proof.  check: http://bitsofproof.com/
tickets will be available for 1 btc. we will try to sell 500 tickets. tickets will include airport & hotel shuttle, party, top shelve drinks, 5 star catering, and perhaps basic accomodation - all for one bitcoin.
due to the price range of bitcoin occuring until the party takes place you will be able to buy a 1000 $ party-ticket for currently below about 145 200,- 240 $ !  390 $ ---- edit: bitcoin exploded to currently 855...
tickets will be available via the website, reservations are done by simply posting in this thread. (posting here will be viewed as a reservation, so if you don´t plan to come and party like a hoard of buffalos on a meth overdose: stopp trolling and leave !...) forum members on this list are early adopters and will be served first (and will pay only 1 btc.)
there will be an awful lot of people working for/at this epochal event (shuttle, registration, security, catering, bars, service, hotline, technical support for wifi network, stage/pa/light setup, entertainers, guides, and many more...), so contracts need to made in advance.


refund
if the party doesn´t take off, since btc will not reach 1000 $ we will refund the tickets. we are currently thinking of giving this bird until either end of 2015 or end of 2016 (latest) to fly. in addition, when there are less then 100 tickets sold, we will cancel the party and refund.


gender distribution
it is a sad fact that more than 90 % of the current bitcoin enthusiasts are male. a forum member wrote „a party isn´t a party if there are only males“. we are aiming at a 50/50 gender ratio and are collecting ideas how to achieve this.  since there will be some superstar/dj/band booked for the main stage and since we are considering free admission for ladies and since frankfurt has a large party/nightlife community this is a solvable task, so don´t worry.


where will it take place ?
the original idea was frankfurt/main. some forum members suggested berlin as an alternative and we are considering having a vote carried out about this. due to the fact that no exact date can be pulled out of anyone’s ass, it will be very likely that the event will not be staged at regular venue, since they are booked out way in advance. a special venue will be more complicated to arrange but will also have a special flair. think of a bank highhrise rooftop party or a renaissance castle, we will try to come up with something extraordinary.


will reddit bitcoin folks be allowed ?
we will only start to go fishing different waters if 1k party animals cannot be found here on bitcointalk.... yes Cheesy.


who are we ?
The btc-1k party is promoted by 600watt and cheech300, which are both severly infected with the bitcoin virus since 2011 and march 2013. (edited)... both have staged several +1000 attendants events in the past and know what to expect.  they will team up with an experienced local promoter to get details covered.
the team is strentghened by bulleric, bitcoin enthusiast since 2011 and webdeveloper. bulleric is one of the founders of the frankfurt bitcoin-community and will create our website.
68  Economy / Speculation / future december prices of btc on: August 30, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
what will be the next december/end of year prices (in $) for one btc ?


my guess is:

december 2013: 150 $ (1000% rise)
december 2014: 375 $ (150% rise)
december 2015: 3000 $ (800% rise)
december 2016: 4500 $ (150% rise)

my assumptions are based on the past % increases shown in the signature. 

so, anyone who manages to get/hold 222 btc until december 2016 will be a millionaire  Kiss


i will dig this thread in 2016 and we will see then who was right...
69  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / mining market-capitalization on: August 30, 2013, 12:23:46 PM
with all those mining companies (knc, cointerra, hashfast, etc.pp) - how much funds will they be able to generate from customers until the end of the year ? feel free to explain your guess.
70  Local / Biete / 300 avalon chips (zefir batch 7) für 0,085 btc pro chip on: August 19, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
bestelldatum des batches war der 30.04.13, zefir´s group buy lag zeitlich komplett vor sebatians group buy.


ich möchte 0.085 btc pro chip (das war der einkaufspreis) die chips werden an burnin gesendet.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0

(ich hatte 500 chips bestellt, 200 bereits verkauft, 300 noch zu haben)
71  Economy / Computer hardware / 300 avalon chips for only 0.085 btc per chip on: August 19, 2013, 04:20:42 PM
zefir´s group buy batch 7

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0

ordered april 30th 2013


i will sell 300 for 0.085 btc per chip.

(originally i had ordered 500, with 200 sold already there are 300 left for sale.)
72  Economy / Computer hardware / 300 avalon chips for only 0.085 btc per chip on: August 19, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
i have ordered 500 avalon chips via zefir´s group buy. (batch 7)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0

order date for this batch was april 30th 2013

i have sold 200 already and now want to sell the 300 avalon ships left for


0.085 btc per chip


yes, that is the original price zefir wanted.
73  Economy / Speculation / german government acknowledges bitcoin as "private money" on: August 16, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/devisen-rohstoffe/digitale-waehrung-deutschland-erkennt-bitcoins-als-privates-geld-an-12535059.html

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/geldanlage/article119086297/Deutschland-erkennt-Bitcoin-als-privates-Geld-an.html

edit: "Digitalwährung rechtlich und steuerlich gebilligt"

"digital currency legally and fiscally accepted"


interesting !

buy german bitcoins  Grin !

edit 2: in germany you have to pay no taxes on bitcoin price gains if you hold them longer than a year. when you are holding shares or bonds a 25 % tax has to be paid on gains.
74  Local / Biete / 500 avalon chips, zefir batch 7 on: July 17, 2013, 05:36:45 PM
hallo,

muss leider 500 avalon chips (zefir batch 7) verkaufen. die werden entweder an burnin ausgeliefert oder an die adresse des käufers direkt, diese option besteht noch.

wäre mit 0.16 btc pro chip einverstanden.

edit: es sind noch 300 vorhanden.

edit: nehme auch einkaufspreis: 0.085 btc pro chip !

grüße,  
75  Local / Biete / möchte 40 btc verkaufen on: July 17, 2013, 04:58:53 PM
tageskurs € mtgox, grossraum frankfurt.


bei interesse pm oder hier im thread.

76  Other / Off-topic / where are your rocket launching pictures ??! on: July 12, 2013, 09:53:57 AM
did they go out of style ?



77  Economy / Service Discussion / blockchain.info wallet hacking ??? on: July 11, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
that is so weird: today the mobile 2F authentification of my blockchain.info wallet sprung on. but i was not even online. i thought someone must have tried to access my account.

just a few minutes ago my brother called me and told me he has received an email from blockchain.info that someone has tried to access his account. (he uses youbikey, so nothing happened.

what is going on ?


78  Bitcoin / Legal / in germany bitcoin gains are not to be taxed after 12 months !! on: June 27, 2013, 08:11:20 AM
sorry for all this german crab here, but this is stunning:

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/geldanlage/article117493178/Bitcoin-Geschaefte-sind-nach-einem-Jahr-steuerfrei.html

german government decided that no taxes have to be paid on gains of bitcoin prize rising (speculation) if the bitcoins are held for a 12 months period. that is much softer as on stockmarket gains! the german government gives bitcoin speculators an edge over traditional stockmarket speculators.


edit:

the article says: speculative stock, bond or certificate gains are taxed 25 %. bitcoin ZERO %.  Shocked 
79  Economy / Economics / europe bail in official policy now on: June 27, 2013, 07:42:33 AM
wow. the european politicians & banksters officially announced that when a bank is in trouble (and A LOT of european banks are indeed) shareholders and customers have to pay for it.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eu-finanzminister-einigen-sich-auf-regeln-fuer-pleitebanken-a-908069.html


so we have a potential for a european-wide cyprus scenario.  Shocked

80  Bitcoin / Hardware / asic hardware buyers association on: June 11, 2013, 11:58:20 AM
i think it is time for us, the buyers/customers of any bitcoin mining hardware to get organized.

-there is so much money, literally millions, in the game.
-there is a lot of scam, delay, amatuer play and other problems involved - it is wild west...
-we are paying for this anyway

so why not get connected, organized, get a voice ?

this may even include support with lawsuits

what do you think?
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