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41  Other / New forum software / 2 Step Authentication such as Google Authenticator or... on: May 17, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
I see a lot of threads here regarding hacked accounts, so I think anything that can prevent that is a good idea, of course make it optional like other sites do such as blockchain.info, etc... this way if the user opts NOT to use 2 step authentication and their account is hacked, well it's somewhat on themselves for NOT protecting it properly.

Anyway just an idea :-)
42  Bitcoin / Mining support / Best Video Turorials for Bitcoin Mining... on: May 17, 2015, 01:38:23 AM

If someone were brand new to bitcoin mining what video tutorials (if any) would you recommend?
43  Economy / Digital goods / Hero Member Account For Free ( Not Absolutely Free but A Twist ) on: May 12, 2015, 08:47:26 AM
I will give this account for free to someone who will pay my debts before 15th May.
My debts are :- 0.25 to Neotox and 0.15-0.05=0.1 to zazarb (0.05 will be sent by Greydon)

Those interested can PM me or reply here. If someone has already agreed with terms and wants it for free and any other person also wants it, he can always put a price (to be given to me).

I have contacted Neotox and he has agreed that I can make this post so please dont troll.

Also, once debt is repaid negative trust will be removed.

Cheers.
44  Economy / Lending / Need 0.25 BTC Loan No Collateral on: May 08, 2015, 09:26:02 AM
Loan Amount :0.25 BTC
Term : Will Repay Before 20th
Send Loan Amount Here :- 1H66TVbWmfQitUzoCnb6JY7cSwVo1HjsE8

Thankyou
45  Economy / Games and rounds / A NetFlix + HULU Account GiveAway on: May 07, 2015, 08:58:57 PM
Hey Guys,
I am giving away Netflix and Hulu accounts. Member+ are allowed to enter the giveaway just to avoid spams and newbies and jr. members coming here in a large number.
You can choose one from Netflix or Hulu and I will choose randomly a few people and you will receive a confirmation message from my side.
Please don't spam this thread.

I am making it self-moderated so as to avoid posts from Newbies and Jr. Members and obviously Troll Posts.

Accounts GiveAway To :-

1) GordonHill
2) Caskey4521
3) Louise123
4) Shindo1988 (HULU)
46  Economy / Lending / Need A Loan (0.035 BTC) on: May 07, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
Hey just need a small loan of 0.035BTC.
Reason : Ubuntu Vps
Repayment Date : Before 2 Weeks (Anytime, maybe in a few hours )
Interest :10%
Collateral : None
Address : 1H66TVbWmfQitUzoCnb6JY7cSwVo1HjsE8
Thanks in advance
47  Economy / Services / Hero Member wants to Maintain a Sig/SocialMedia Campaign or Any Contest and More on: May 07, 2015, 03:53:43 PM
Hello guys,

This is Operatr, I rejoined the forum again after deciding to leave it on Febraruary Grin.

As you can see in the title, I wish I can be given a chance to maintain a complete signature campaign or any other campaign like Social Media Campaign or any Contest.

I can assure all of you that I will check each and every post made my the members and will also give you advices regarding the campaign.

I surely deserve a chance. I can also help with other services which don't require Coding skills.

Any offers can be sent via PM or can be posted here. Rates can be discussed later.

48  Other / Meta / Requesting For A New Trust Depth on: May 06, 2015, 09:04:15 PM
As the number of people in the forum has increased a lot since past few months and a lot many high ranked and trusted members,
I guess its time to have a new trust depth called Trust Depth 5.
I have seen many people with Dark Green trust or Light Green Trust who aren't even in Trust Depth 4.
Actually truly saying, I don't really get all this trust thing so if I stated anything wrong, I would love to be corrected Smiley
49  Bitcoin / Pools / [pre-ANN][Blockburner] P2Pool Deployment Project - Q&A on: April 27, 2014, 02:29:22 AM
P2Pool Project

Hello coiners!

Some of you may recognize Blockburner from our past project to develop a Scrypt FPGA. Ultimately the project fell through, but undeterred I kept moving onward.

After some time and trying a few things, ultimately the direction I want Blockburner to take is in deployment of distributed blockchain technologies and solving problems with open source.

We started mining a few months ago, however as a smaller player it is now overwhelmingly evident there is no sense investing in mining hardware as long as large hardware makers dominate the network. The network hash rate needs no more help rising astronomically.

What absolutely does need more development and decentralization are mining pools as well as Bitcoin Core nodes, which I think we can all agree are much too centralized by private, closed source players. This is an area I believe Blockburner could do well in attacking.

Blockburner

Founded in Montana as an LLC, June 13, 2013

Blockburner is designed as an open source company that deploys distributed applications based on blockchain technologies. The present focus is on the Bitcoin network.

Project

Deployment of a P2Pool network beginning in Montana, eventually across the US.

Deployment of corresponding Bitcoin Core node servers.

Network

Pool node hardware would be hosted by various datacenters (ours and/or third party). Initial deployment target is the Montana State University datacenter in Bozeman, MT.

Hardware would be built using open hardware standards (Open Compute) as much as possible, utilizing 100% open source software (likely Ubuntu 12.04, P2Pool, Bitcoin Core). The hardware would comprise of clusters using low-cost components utilizing Apache Mesos, Hadoop, or other distributed computing platforms. This is also meant to be an exercise in parallel computing infrastructure and its application to Bitcoin and other blockchains. With such a network in place Blockburner would have much flexibility in supporting many networks directly with high availability service nodes. This network would also be useful for scientific computing and other distributed projects.

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Really these are not difficult concepts in practice, as all of the hardware and software required already exists. I myself am an experienced datacenter tech and computer junkie with the necessary skills to carry this out.
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Community Q & A


As with the last project, I felt it foolhardy to initiate any kind of business in this space without asking the community its thoughts and concerns as a gauge of interest and need. This project will be no different-

I think much of the issue with P2Pool is the availability of nodes, as network latency does have a direct effect particularly if your hashrate is on the low side. Existing nodes seem to have sloppy uptimes, as such the incentive to use the P2Pool network is low compared to private central pool servers. So-

1. Do you think mining and pool centralization is a problem? Why or why not?

2. If a reliable (high availability) node was in your area, would you switch to P2Pool? How about other networks, such as Litecoin?

3. What other factors would increase your interest in distributed mining over private mining?

4. Would you be interested in investing in such a network as a shareholder? What kind of return or benefits would you expect or want from such an investment? (revenue share from the pools profits, for example)

5. Are there other node services you would find useful or think are needed overall?


Thank you in advance to anyone willing to give me some insight.

Vires in Numeris

Operatr
50  Other / Meta / The mining sections are an unholy mess on: February 19, 2014, 01:38:27 AM
Newbie posts everywhere that belong in the Mining Support forum, but litter Speculation, Hardware, and everywhere else instead. The board is choking on mining newbies with "im new how do I mine?" questions every other post, which is not a bad thing in itself, but having it all over the board is chaos. Can we get a Newbie Mining section to curb this? Or mods could do their jobs and move those posts into Support at least? Or bring back the Newbie section and put a mining subforum in it?

There is no difference between Custom Hardware and Hardware and need to be merged, which was discussed somewhere but never done.

Group Buys is a disaster. This forum is the main market for most of the gear out there and it is getting really difficult to browse, and I think should be divided into: a Market board for straight up "cash for hardware" sales and group purchase organizers, and another for cooperative/hosted buys. That may not be the best solution, but the point is I think some division is in order. The mining hardware markets could be their own sections in the actual  Marketplace boards, which would be a more logical place for it anyway.

There are some ways to go about this, but as it stands at least to me, the mining boards are an absolute, near un-moderated clusterfrak, and should be cleaned up and better organized.

51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / ASIC vs GPU: Comparison on: January 29, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
Since we now have a real world ASIC capable of Scrypt mining entering the market, we can see what their performance is like compared to a GPU.

DualMiner USB

The DualMiner is rated as follows:

Price: $85 (order of 20+)

LTC/BTC Dual Mode    BTC 500 Mh/s      LTC 40 Kh/s       2.5 Watts

BTC Single Mode        BTC 1600 Mh/s (1.6 Gh/s)            2.5 Watts

LTC Single Mode         LTC  70 Kh/s                              1.5 Watts



A typical R290 card (approximate)

1 R290 Graphics card      ~ $620                    900 Kh/s                      375 Watts (full hash)


Using DualMiners, we would need about 13 to equate a single R290 graphics card:

13 Dual Miners             ~ $1105                      900 Kh/s                     19.5 Watts


In this comparison, we can conclude that for nearly twice the price, you get 19x the power efficiency over a GPU. That means you could run 19 900 Kh/s DualMiner rigs (around 20 Mh/s) on the same power it would take to hash on a single graphics card.

This is ultimately the tradeoff: higher up front cost for drastically reduced long term power usage and much better ability to scale over GPUs


Total Configuration

Let's do a comparison to a typical 6 card GPU rig, including the other parts necessary to operate them

Typical 6 Card Rig           Board, CPU, RAM, PSU, HDD, Cables, etc ( $500)   6 R290 Graphics Cards  ($3720)

5400 Kh/s (5.4 Mh/s)         2250 Watts               Total Cost    ~$4220

Equivalent DualMiners (78)    AsicMiner 49 Port hubs x2 (~$400, cheaper with other solutions)   Raspberry Pi ($45) (Optional)  78 Dualminers (~$6630)

5400 Kh/s (5.4 Mh/s)        117 Watts                     Total Cost    ~$7075


(I may add the 5 Chip miner comparison coming out later)

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From this we know it takes about 13 Gridchips to equate a single R290 graphics card

We also know that ASICs offer significant power savings over GPUs in terms of nearly 19x

It should be obvious that USB singles like these typically offer the worst $/Hash ratio as they are not hashing dense. It can be assumed something more like a 16x board would fair much better in price/performance. Bitcoin mining performance is paltry for the price here if running in BTC only mode. Compared to GPUs for Scrypt mining however, these chips are a better deal long term.

Gridseeds do offer the unique ability to multi-hash as well, giving your mining operation some flexibility.

Kilohash per $  (Litecoin Only)

6x GPU Rig          1.45 Kh/s/$                    

DualMiners          .76   Kh/s/$


Kilohash per Watt  (Litecoin Only)

6x GPU Rig          2.54 Kh/s/w                    

DualMiners          46.15   Kh/s/w


Please let me know if my math is wrong anywhere  Cool
52  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / ASICMiner Cube review and setup on: December 23, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
As part of Blockburner's site relaunch, I have put together a review and setup guide of the ASICMiner BE Cube we received last week-

ASICMiner Cube Review and Setup

If you have questions, you know what to do below  Smiley
53  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin: The Resource Based Economy on: December 04, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
After thinking long and hard about what Bitcoin really is and why it is the most important technology ever invented in human history, I have come up with the following. I am curious if anyone out there agrees with me, so here it goes (sorry for the wall of text, but couldnt be avoided here  Smiley )-

The Resource Based Economy Through Blockchain Technology

The value of a Bitcoin is NOT simply its value in fiat money. In this, Bitcoin is NOT a bubble as pinned on pure asset classes like metals, stocks, derivatives, etc that see wild speculation with no fundamental basis for it. Remember that the fiat exchange rate is only a measure of what 1 Bitcoin will buy in that fiat economy. If you spend a Bitcoin within Bitcoin's economy, it is only worth the goods and services that 1 Bitcoin will buy. Therefore, a Bitcoin's value is derived from the utility and service it provides to its users, not what Bitcoin can purchase in a broken, corrupt fiat money system. Remember that fiat money is worthless paper and nothing more. It is backed by nothing but faith.  Bitcoin is backed on being a useful innovation. I will explain this in detail below.

A Traditional Company, using Google as an example.

Google was once a two man operation working out of a small office comprised of Larry Page and Sergey Brin, with the great idea to improve search function on the Internet, which at the time was terrible at best (remember Webcrawler anyone?).

They created a working model of their idea in the form of a vastly improved search algorithm created with computer software, and pitched the idea to investors to fund more development.

Investors that saw the utility and usefulness of Google's improved search algorithm to users bought Google stocks at IPO to fund further development of these products. As an early investor, they bore the risk that Google may fail as so many .coms did in that era and their investment may vanish, but an equal reward should Google's products see a demand from a user base giving Google value as a company through the innovations it provides. In effect, buying a Google stock for $85 back then was a purchase of Google's potential value to its users. A simple bet that Google has a good idea and it will be huge someday.  Obviously, Google became a very successful company, based on fixing the long standing problem of terrible web search options. It provided something useful and desired by Internet users of the day, giving Google Search VALUE to users.

So, company stock = a share of the current and future value of goods and services to end users provided by that company. In this example, the exchange rate for Google stock is $1,053.26 per stock. Keep this in the back of your mind.

Fundemental Flaws of Closed Economics

There are some problems with this business model as used by Google and every business ever created, namely in the centralized nature of business, banking, and government leading to inevitable corruption:

Closed code and closed operations. This renders any centralized business and government ultimately untrustworthy as it cannot be fully audited by the public. Is Google sending your every move to the NSA? Who knows, and that is a problem.

Services bought from closed companies are purchased with fiat currency that is issued by closed governments. This starts giving lots of power to the few at the top controlling both ends of the chain, and an incentive to start rigging the system in their favor and not in favor of the users. It should be obvious by now that the corporate world today is already deeply corrupted at every level.

Users have no say in the development or adoption of products or services. A new version of software is forced upon you whether you want to accept it or not. Facebook's constant screwing with its TOS is evidence of this behavior.

Closed business structure is hostile toward true innovation as solving real human problems forever is not profitable for them. Solving the energy needs of the Human race puts Big Oil out of business. Cures to disease puts Big Medicine out of business. The Internet itself is killing institutional education (that would charge you $40,000 a year to learn what you can on the Internet for free). Clearly, innovation is not the friend of Big For-Profit Business. Killing innovation is much easier than having to change as a business. Those in power like to stay in power.


A New Economic Paradigm

Let's investigate how a digital coin is formed compared to the usual business model described above-

1. A whitepaper is introduced describing a new digital coin and the overall blockchain technology that would underpin it. This is the idea or innovation, in Bitcoin's case a worldwide distributed accounting system, currency system, and payment network that is publicly open at every level. This is what makes Bitcoin more than just money. It is a complete economic system rolled into one that is freed from central Human governance that always leads to a corrupted economy and society as history shows again and again. The open nature of blockchain accounting creates public trust.

2. Developers create computer software taking the innovation to a functional technology that is completely open source and open to all, free to propagate based on the innovation filling a particular need. In the case of Bitcoin, it provides a self-regulating open payment network and currency that is seen as a needed technology in our globally connected Internet-based world today. An open money system built just for the Internet is a good idea, and this idea begins to catch on based on these merits. The idea has VALUE the same way Google Search did in the beginning to its users.

3. Early miners begin generating new coins into its economy.

Instead of simply buying "stock" in Bitcoin with fiat currency (though this is done too, for now) as a traditional closed business, miners earn "stock" in the form of new coins by using their own computing resources to support and maintain a global network that makes transmission and trade of these "stocks" incredibly easy and accessible to every Internet user on Earth because access to this technology is 100% free.

The first miners in a blockchain have absolutely no incentive to be a part of that network beyond the possibility that the innovation it represents takes off in the public space, becoming a valuable resource to end users. A few coins already died (ChinaCoin[CHN] isone) because users saw no real value in the blockchain or the services built on it.

People mined Bitcoin in the early days because it was a great innovation with amazing potential. Those that had early faith were rewarded by their "stocks" appreciating in value greatly today.



So, if a normal company stock really represents a stake in the potential value of products or services to the end user, a Bitcoin represents the same thing. Each coin is a share of the global Bitcoin economy that provides end users value in the form of products and services.

Now here is the really important part of this:

Unlike a traditional company stock, you can purchase goods and services directly with digital coins. In the Google example, it would be no different than taking my stock to Subway and buying a sandwich with it directly without cashing it out to fiat currency first. I would be literally buying a sandwich with the present and future innovative potential of Google.

The middlemen (crooked banks and governments run by a criminal elite) have been eliminated, enabling the direct purchase of other goods and services with a living asset backed entirely by the true value of useful innovations and ideas to real people.

Basically, we can spend Bitcoin stock like cash as easily as sending an email.

That's right, if you own Bitcoin in any amount, you are a pseudo anonymous shareholder in a decentralized, fully autonomous, fully open, global crypto-corporation that runs in cyberspace, maintained by its voluntary "employees" comprised of any person or business operating in the Bitcoin space as either a service built upon it or directly as a miner supporting the core transaction network.

Bitcoin is the first example of what can be called a Digital Autonomous Corporation, or a DAC.

In a sense, a Bitcoin accepting business or person is only a department in Bitcoin Incorporated, much the same way Search or gMail are pieces of Google's global enterprise. However, unlike a normal corporation, each "department" of Bitcoin is itself fully free to come or go at any time. If a crypto-based business finds a coin economy that suits it better, they can sell their Bitcoins for something else and start using that instead. Or both.

The Blockchain Economy effectively separates government and business by breaking the binding of centrally created government currency and privately owned business. In its place, a truly free and democratic marketspace.

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The implications of this are astounding.
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A Resource Economy

As seen, this technology is not simply a replacement for the Dollar. It is something much more. It rewrites how the world will do business in the future, free of government medding and profit whore CEOs.

There is no limit on how these independent digital economies can be applied.

An example of how a blockchain could be applied to green energy production-

I decide to move off the centralized electrical grid and buy solar panels and deploy other green energy generators on my own house to provide 100% of its energy needs. I sell off whatever extra energy there is to the power company in the form of Renewable Energy Credits. My home state and local power company has an REC program so a business or person can purchase 1 Megawatt-hour of verified green energy at a time from grid-tied solar farms without knowing which farm produced it. RECs are needed because it is not possible to track the source of any given electron. 

We could turn the REC into a blockchain with specialized open-source miners that essentially turn the power you generate into a unit of electrical resource through some kind of production based mining algorithm, generating a certain amount of coin depending on your power output to the grid. This EnergyCoin can then be sold to anyone who needs more power from the distributed grid without knowing who generated it, just like RECs already are, but without an ominous cloud of government bureaucracy that differs from place to place.

However, the REC as they are today cannot be traded for much else. Energycoin however can be bought or sold over the Energycoin network by whoever needs more power than they can produce on their own in a peer to peer fashion cutting out centralized power companies completely, and exchanged for any other type of resource. This means that electrical power can be purchased from your neighbor with the big Solar farm directly, face to face. No power company required. Those that produce the most energy benefit the most by generating more coins, a valuable economic resource. This would incentivize green power deployments, and to the victors go the spoils of generating the most and the cleanest energy possible for sale to people or businesses that need lots of it.

 Lets say my house generates more power than I can utilize and as such I'm generating lots of Energycoins, a needed resource by all of humanity.

I want to host a website that would require a lot of bandwidth and data storage using the Meshcoin and Datacoin blockchain networks. I don't have a large enough wireless Meshnet node for the bandwidth needed to support 1000s of users at the same time. I also don't have enough or any Datacoin nodes to support these users either.

But, my neighbor Bill sure does. He houses a large Meshnet wireless array and Datacoin storage nodes that meet my needs. But Bill feels the hurt of running such big equipment, and needs more power to run them.

I can go to Bill, and sell him Energycoins he can redeem at my solar farm for Meshcoins and Datacoins I can use to access his Meshnet gateway and storage pool. He gets more power, I get Internet resources in a mutual exchange. Service to Service. Person to Person.

Or the exchange can happen over a simple global exchange anonymously if I think Bill is a jerk and I dont want to talk to him, but I can still use the resources he is providing to the Internet by selling my energy that I dont need for things I do need.

With Bitcoin itself functioning as the world reserve currency, or a universally accepted currency under all other blockchains, each of these industry coins can be redeemed in the reserve currency too

Conclusion

This is all very much a thought exercise and not meant to be a whitepaper, it would take people smarter than I to implement such things, but an idea of what a resource economy can look like with Blockchain tech at its heart. Fully distributed everything, where anyone can participate freely. Whatever skillset you have can be converted into a useful resource to other people with this kind of exchange.


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If you are still here reading this, thank you for sticking through. I know that was looong  Shocked     But I am trying to think forward a bit, and quantify what Bitcoin really is in terms that a new Bitcoin user can understand in relation to how the world works right now.

There is a very long way to go, but I do think Bitcoin is just the first example of how pervasive this technology will become over the next years, totally rewriting not only how we do business, but getting a fair return for our productivity in interest of our own species.



What do you see the revelation of Bitcoin to be?















 
54  Bitcoin / Group buys / [BlockBurner][GB.1] Cancelled on: November 27, 2013, 07:20:30 AM
Cancelled
55  Economy / Economics / Wealth confiscation goes global on: September 27, 2013, 11:16:25 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/cyprus-style-wealth-confiscation-starting-all-over-world

Cyprus was just the testing ground for what was to come next, and that is bankers simply stealing your money to save themselves from insolvency.

The last time this occurred:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/28/investing/bitcoin-cyprus/index.html

http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2013/03/22/bitcoin-interest-explodes-as-cyprus-nearly-implodes/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-07/rethinking-money-bitcoin-quadrupling-cyprus


I see no reason why that can't happen again. This time it is several banks and not just one however. These actions are helping to rapidly erode confidence and trust in the fiat institution, which is ultimately why Bitcoin has any value at all as a currency I think. The common people are waking up to how badly big banking is screwing them, and now they are not even trying to hide it.

We are entering an age where banks rob their own customers. This cannot stand, and like Cyprus people want a way out of the broken, dishonest trainwreck that is fiat.
A new Bitcoin rally in the making? I really hope so.

Oh, and if you have money in a bank, get it out NOW
56  Bitcoin / Meetups / MBEX Missoula: Montana Public Meeting on: September 13, 2013, 08:29:51 PM

Montana Bitcoin Exchange - Missoula has booked its first official meetup!

October 23rd @ 7pm - 8:45pm, Missoula Public Library in the Board Room. This event is free and open to the public (and always will be, but donations are accepted to fund group needs)

This one is meant as an introductory meeting that includes an overview of Bitcoin technology, and then some guided discussions.

If interested in attending please RSVP here so I can gauge the turnout in case a bigger room is needed.

MBEX Facebook
57  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin on TED on: August 14, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-ts8fUhB8

An interesting TED, which I am always glad to see Bitcoin being discussed in this setting.

It does point to an interesting side of the Bitcoin economy that is not talked about usually, which is trust.

Trust in banks, governments, and giant corporations (dividing those is difficult these days) is fading fast. I think the Cypriot bail-ins earlier this year are a siren for this, in that now banks are desperate enough to rob their own customers to save their own asses. I myself no longer keep my wealth in any institution tied to fiat currency because my trust in them is less than zero, and even less in our governments to correct it because they are hooked on money like a drug.

This societal and economic sickness is being met in the field by engineers and scientists using technology to solve the problem. Bitcoin is the pinnacle of this, by entrusting the system to pure mathematics and peer to peer computing instead of any central body led by corruptible people.



Thoughts?
58  Bitcoin / Meetups / M-BEX: Missoula Bitcoin Exchange - Montana group on: August 13, 2013, 05:55:28 AM
I'd like to announce the formation of a group for my local area, namely Missoula, MT (US) and surrounding cities. The intent is to have a local portal for Bitcoin and related activities, such as mining, securities funds, and coin exchange, as well as advocating for local business involvement and adoption.

 

M-BEX on FaceBook

M-BEX on Twitter




I intend for the group to meet twice weekly at the local library, times TBA. I intend to have a full website available in due time.
59  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Current economics of mining and ROI on: June 24, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
Seeing many questions around regarding the worthiness of mining right now seeing the hashrate and difficulty jump to the moon, I would say the ROI problem is easily explained just looking at the charts:

http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin

Mining ROI chart, as compared to the network hash chart-

http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

These are inverse, meaning of course mining ROI is decreasing with the rise in network power, currently rocking a solid 15% margin or so. Looking at the market valuation-


http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price

We can see the value of Bitcoin has maintained a more or less flat value (very erratic to say the least really, I know, but bare with me), but holding between $90-120.

We must also factor in that as designed, only less and less coins can be shaken from a block over time as well.


Analyzing this you can see the margin chart was more or less parallel to the market prices, then around the beginning of June mining ROI started a nosedive from around 50% to about 20%, a pretty fatal drop in returns in a very short period. During the same period the hashrate started out at around 76,000 GHash, and during that 30% ROI slide the hashrate rose to around 150,000 Ghash for nearly a 50% increase.

These numbers are only increasing currently.

So, each Bitcoin mined is only harder and harder to get, but is not increasing in value fast enough to offset the hashpower rocketship to make mining worth it. If BTC value was increasing alongside the hashpower increase the mining ROI chart wouldn't be diving the way it is currently, either maintaining the return rate or increasing.

What will happen is the markets will basically decide if this dramatic rise in network power is worth it to maintain. If Bitcoin maintains its current value then this "mining bubble" will pop when ROI effectively vanishes completely, and some miners will have a pretty bad day holding the bag on expensive hardware that will take years to pay itself off. I think we are inching close to a plateau if Bitcoin fails to increase in value itself soon. A plateau in hashpower would indicate no new power is coming online, which means Avalon and the rest of the ASIC hopefuls will see their sales flatline for a while.

Be warned, we are nearing a saturation point where it won't be worth it to buy a Bitcoin miner without a dramatic increase in Bitcoin's market price to sustain profitability. Really those that were able to get in with the first Avalon's and ASICMiner blades already won the race, anyone getting in now faces a ugly situation.

What his means is miners need to come out of their caves and get local businesses and people actually using this coin as intended to raise value and market price to stay alive before the eventual bust.

Now, I have no crystal ball, this is just the current situation and outlook based on preliminary information. Your ROI is also depending on your power and support costs to mine, so this is all in a general sense.  Bitcoin could have a massive rally tomorrow for all I know (and I hope it does every day Cheesy) and save the day. But counting on that to save you is reckless, and is just the risks of the mining game. Just think about this before plunging any money into an ASIC right now, and place your bets wisely.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Apple iMoney on: June 07, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
http://www.coindesk.com/apple-to-create-virtual-currency-imoney/

Naturally they are totally missing the point with this proprietary crap. For those who wanted to see Bitcoin support for iDevices this is kind of a slap in the face... Roll Eyes
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