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Economy / Speculation / Re: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer
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on: January 29, 2018, 10:20:15 PM
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Nice to see the GBTC spilt went off without a hitch. I was a little worried it might tank, but it finished with a 6% gain. It will be interesting to see how GBTC responds the next time BTC has big run up.
I admit that I´m a little surprised about the whole price action surrounding the GBTC split. After the announcement of the split the price increased by 12 % and now after the actual split it increased by another 6 % as you pointed out. Maybe this is the same psychological bias that was/is driving the rise of some high-supply altcoins. People just are more likely to invest in something that appears cheap on the surface. Besides, it is interesting that a single GBTC share now represents only a tiny 0.00101 Bitcoins.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: MuSig: Schnorr Multisig and signature aggregation
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on: January 29, 2018, 08:51:06 PM
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I was reading an article saying that the Schnorr signatures are considered as "the best of the best" among cryptographers. If so, why this authentication protocol has never managed to become popular? Given that it has existed since the years '80-'90
I´m just speculating here so take this with a grain of salt. Schnorr signatures were covered by a patent that expired in 2008. Wikipedia: In cryptography, a Schnorr signature is a digital signature produced by the Schnorr signature algorithm. Its security is based on the intractability of certain discrete logarithm problems. The Schnorr signature is considered the simplest[1] digital signature scheme to be provably secure in a random oracle model.[2] It is efficient and generates short signatures. It was covered by U.S. Patent 4,995,082 which expired in February 2008. Maybe being covered by a patent could have hampered the popularity? Now that the patent has expired everyone is free to use Schnorr signatures, which could obviously incentivize the usage of them. I have also been doing some reading on Schnorr signatures and the resulting potential improvements for Bitcoin and was especially surprised about the discovery that the usage of Schnorr signatures actually enables you to increase the security of your Bitcoin holdings.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 29, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
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This claim of BCash being the original bitcoin is not correct in any way, technically or otherwise, except perhaps to retroactively spin historical facts to suit the bcash self promoting false narrative.
The more accurate historical rendition remains that bcash is and has been a minority attack on our lovey dovey existing bitcoin; however, we could likely concede that if bcash were to gain network backing in various ways then at that time they could proclaim to be the real bitcoin, but to be honest they have to admit that they started out as a renegade and minority attack on the real bitcoin
Correct. However, I think that it is highly improbable that Bitcoin Cash will gain any network backing whatsoever. Just take a look at the development of active BCH addresses: Since the start of January the number of active BCH addresses has dropped from ~295000 to ~51000. This looks like a dying coin to me. This is probably also the reason why the spam attacks on the real BTC blockchain have stopped or at least decreased in intensity. With every day that passes it makes less sense to prop up BCH and therefore attacks on BTC become also less interesting. In order to be fully transparent I admit that the active Bitcoin (BTC) addresses have also dropped in this time frame, but not by such a big percentage.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin futures market manipulation
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on: January 28, 2018, 05:44:50 PM
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... The second reason being the maintenance margin requirements being too high which would discourage manipulation...
Interesting post. His other reasons are valid in my opinion, but the one I quoted seems at least questionable to me. Most brokers that currently offer trading of these futures have already announced that the high margin requirements are due to the novelty of Bitcoin futures. Eventually, these margin requirements will be lowered to a level that is comparable to other tradable assets. Additionally, this won´t really deter anyone from making profit on the Bitcoin futures by manipulating the Bitcoin spot market. It may raise the amount of capital that is required to do so, but due to the attractiveness of this scheme (shorting BTC futures, dumping real BTC before the settlement date) and the enormous profit opportunities no one will refrain from doing this simply due to higher margin requirements. Apart from that I´d guess that large traders can negotiate better terms with their broker, which probably also includes a lower maintenance margin or even the possibility to provide the margin capital only in the case it becomes necessary (=call for additional cover).
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 04:59:33 PM
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What worries me about tether the most is not that it may not be fully covered by real dollars, but that it might be dangerously close to what central banks are doing. ANd we all know, that banks are not too happy when someone else is taking their money printing/fractional reserve monopoly away from them. Especially when they cannot control it.
I was completely agreeing with you until your last sentence. Why do you think that they can´t control it? They can easily shut down Tether using the same tactic that the US authorities used against E-Gold (of course the central banks won´t do it themselves, they will let the usual authorities do their bidding). Take a look at my earlier post where I described how the Department of Justice and the Treasury Department simply changed their definition of a money transmitter to a vague definition that fits literally every business that is somehow related to money transfers. However, in its actions from 2006-2008, the U.S. Treasury Department in conjunction with the United States Department of Justice stretched the definition of money transmitter in the USA Patriot Act to include any system that allows transfer of any kind of value from one person to another, not merely national currency or cash
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
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... It does not need to go off with a big bang of course. Probably more and more users are smelling the danger and will effectively change their Tethers for other coins. This way in the end it is the exchanges that will knock on theter 's door... .
Various outcomes are possible. It is even possible that Tether is completely legit and will continue to thrive for a lot of years. Personally, I think it is more likely that authorities of some state will put an end to this business. There are enough precedents. E.g. take a look at the history of E-Gold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-goldEspecially this quote: However, in its actions from 2006-2008, the U.S. Treasury Department in conjunction with the United States Department of Justice stretched the definition of money transmitter in the USA Patriot Act to include any system that allows transfer of any kind of value from one person to another, not merely national currency or cash. Using this new interpretation they then proceeded to prosecute the USA-based gold systems, e-gold (and later e-Bullion) under the USA Patriot Act for not having money transmitter licenses, even though these companies had previously been cooperating with regulatory authorities and told they did not fall under the definition of money transmitter. The bold part from the quote could also be applied to Tether. Additionally, it is noteworthy that these companies had previously cooperated successfully with regulatory authorities and even that couldn´t save them in the end. Tether has not really cooperated with any regulatory authorities as far as I know. I could be wrong on all of this, but in my opinion Tether will eventually end up as a successor to E-Gold and LibertyReserve.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 02:59:40 PM
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1) Tether is not only used by Bitfinex but spread through multiple exchanges. You you would have to count every cold storage (or see how much Tether is at Bitfinex vs. BTC at Bitfinex) ...
Possible. However, I think this is the wrong approach. Let´s say Tether is exposed as a fraudulent enterprise and the price drops of USDT drops to nearly zero. People currently have more than 300M $ of USDT on Poloniex according to the Tether rich list. Why would the Poloniex cold wallets matter in this situation? They are under no obligation to redeem the 300M $ of USDT for anything. The same applies to Bittrex, Binance, Huobi and so on in my opinion. Let me illustrate my point using a further example. 1. We are in the November of 2017 and Bob decides to sell 10 BTC for 100k $ on his favorite exchange, Bitfinex. 2. Bob decides that altcoins are the future (poor Bob ) and wants to withdraw his 100k $ to his favorite altcoin exchange, Poloniex. 3. Bitfinex has no working fiat withdrawals at this point in time and Poloniex has no fiat banking relationships either. 4. Luckily there is this internet money called Tether. 5. Bob has read on the Tether website that he can "Get the joint benefits of open blockchain technology and traditional currency". 6. Bob is fascinated by this technology and he withdraws 100k of USDT from Bitfinex to Poloniex. 7. Bob dabbles in altcoins and after losing nearly all of his investment he just wishes that he could turn back time to just keep his Bitcoin on a hardware wallet and never send them to a sketchy exchange. 8. After reading a post by realr0ach he rails against his fate even more, because even buying physical silver would have been a better choice than dabbling in altcoins (#in Physical Silver we Trust). Ok, I admit that I got a little carried away here But the gist is that the cold storages of all the altcoin exchanges are not relevant for the backing of outstanding Tethers, because they are under no obligation to give their users anything for their USDT if the price of USDT decreases enormously. Of course ideally even the Bitfinex cold wallet would be irrelevant for the backing of Tethers, because the outstanding USDT should be backed by actual fiat money in real bank accounts.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 02:34:20 PM
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... Same for those selling at 3000, 4000, 5000, 7000, 9000, etc - always giving bitfinex serious profits, while people were exchanging their btcs for vapor-tokens, and these BTC now can cover multiple times the USDT balance. Right?
If I understand your post correctly, you are making a mistake. 1. Total Tether issuance (USDT on OMNI + USDT on ETH) = ~2.3 billion $ 2. Total BTC in Bitfinex cold-wallet = 140,443 BTC = ~1.63 billion $ Even if all these Bitcoin would belong to Bitfinex, which they do not, they would not be enough to cover all the outstanding Tether at the current Bitcoin price. You also assume that all these Bitcoin belong to Bitfinex, which is obviously not true, because these are mainly user funds. If people sold Bitcoin at 3000,5000 and so on the profits may not have gone to Bitfinex, but to other users of the Bitfinex exchange. Of course it is possible that I misunderstood your post or that Bitfinex has substantial cryptocurrency holdings in other currencies than Bitcoin (e.g. big holdings of ETH or some of the tokens that they list). Random speculation: Personally, I suspect that they obviously acccumulate tokens like RLC or RCN before they list them on their exchange. It is simply too easy to make money by buying up a random token and then making profit after you list it on your exchange (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUT-ULkWsAA9Pxt.jpg:large).Bitfinex main income should theoretically be coming from trading fees and not from selling Bitcoins directly. ...
Hmm, wouldn't everyone want to sell their Tethers and buy every coin they can with it and pump prices up even more?
This is exactly what many people including me predict what will happen in the case of a Tether collapse. The prices of all cryptocurrencies on these exchanges will go completely parabolic, because of people that desperately try to exchange their worthless USDT for another cryptocurrency.
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Other / Meta / Re: Please limit merit awards to one per post per person.
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on: January 28, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
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... 50 per person per month is plenty of a cap.. I don't understand the issue here
He was trying to say that there should be a cap on how much merit you can award to a single post. E.g. let´s assume a Sr. Member has 20 sMerit to spend. He gives them all to an old post by Satoshi. Afterwards he has no sMerit left until he slowly earns a few new merits by composing high-quality posts. If there would be a cap on how much merit you can award to a single post he would have to distribute it more wisely. E.g. 5 merits as a tribute to Satoshi, 2 merits for a helpful post by a newbie, 2 merits for a post that contains a nice infographic, 1 merit for a meme that made him laugh and so on. I actually think that is a decent suggestion, because it would increase the distribution of merits.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [LIST] Free EU bank accounts that you can be opened directly online
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on: January 28, 2018, 12:51:00 PM
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... Are you sure the card has a low limit?
According to the official Mistertango pricelist their Mastercard has the following limits for private individuals: 1. Maximum monthly transactions limit: 15000 € 2. Maximum annual transactions limit: 20000 € 3. Maximum card payment limit per day: 3000 € 4. Maximum per ATM transaction: 1000 € 5. Daily ATM withdrawal limit: 1000 € 6. Minimum ATM withdrawal limit: 10 € If you intend to make transactions for more than 20000 € in a year, the limits are too low for you. Otherwise, the limits should be sufficient. I´m not sure whether you can raise the limits by being a long-term customer or by providing additional documents.
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Other / Meta / Re: [LIST] USERS THAT ARE ABUSING MERIT SYSTEM
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on: January 28, 2018, 12:00:40 PM
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Another questionable merit swap: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=95437Sent in the last 120 days Today at 05:34:56 AM: 20 to kingcarsen for Whopper.io - Cold Storage Cards for Bitcoin, Litecoin, Pinkcoin, and Denarius!
Received in the last 120 days Today at 08:26:18 AM: 31 from kingcarsen for Re: Whopper.io - Cold Storage Cards for Bitcoin, Litecoin, Pinkcoin, and Denarius! User buzzkillb sent 20 merits to kingcarsen and received 31 merits in return. I´d give them the benefit of the doubt here, but the posts in question are of very questionable quality. Checkout https://whopper.io for Cold Storage Cards for your favorite cryptos Bitcoin, Litecoin, Pinkcoin, and Denarius! You can pay in crypto, if you wish to pay in DNR contact @Elypse_Pink in our Discord chat ( https://discord.gg/mDTM3JN )! and These codl wallets are a beauty. And why won't the forum let me link to imgur??? Kingcarsen has already been tagged by ibminer and Lauda for having several alt accounts.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 11:46:29 AM
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... Wouldn't ETH be better than LTC for that? I wonder if that's why ETH is still rising now.
This was just a rumor that was spread by some people. It was also during the peak of Bitcoin network congestion with 200k+ unconfirmed transactions. I could be wrong, but I remember that the Ethereum network had similar problems with congestion during this time due to stuff like CryptoKitties? I think there is at least a bit of truth to the rumor, because using LTC you could cash out your whole balance from an exchange for less than 1 $ while Bitcoin confirmation times and transaction fees were through the roof due to the spam attacks by the nefarious actors from the BCH fan club. edit: I should clarify that I was talking about a period of time that was a few weeks ago and not any current price action
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
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That’s the 1BTC question isn’t it. Will Tether FUD create a pump? Even if it does, someone has to pay the piper at the end.
Wouldn´t a removal of bad actors (let´s assume that Tether is indeed a fraudulent operation and not legit for the sake of argument) from the Bitcoin ecosystem be a good thing for the long-term future of Bitcoin? If the big nefarious actors (e.g. fraudulent exchanges) are removed from the market this would increase the likelihood of the approval of things like a Bitcoin ETF or even better news like the inclusion of Bitcoin into the SDR basket of the IMF. Besides, this could allow a user like BobLawblaw to retire with a much bigger nest egg if this pushes Bitcoin above the 25000 $ threshold (or even higher) temporarily. This of course assumes that other exchanges will still follow the price rise of the BTC/USD trading pair of Bitfinex to some extent (e.g. due to arbitrage bots).
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: January 28, 2018, 11:28:01 AM
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How high will the BTC/USD price go at Bitfinex when all people will try to buy Bitcoin in order to get their funds off the exchange? This could provide us with a crazy BTC/USD price rise (at least temporarily) if this is indeed the end of Bitfinex and Tether. I remember that some people floated the theory that parts of the recent Litecoin price run-up where caused by people, who wanted to withdraw from exchanges in a reasonable timeframe during the recent Bitcoin network congestion and therefore bought LTC with their funds. This encouraged new investors, who saw the LTC/USD price gains and piled their funds into Litecoin, which also increased media coverage, which resulted in even more investors. This could get really crazy if this is indeed the end of Tether. Never a dull day in Bitcoin land
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Betting against tether
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on: January 28, 2018, 11:19:15 AM
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... I don't want to sell any of my btc, but I wish to be able to hedge this risk somhow. Is out there any place where I can short tethers, or any other roundaway to bet against it?
You could theoretically short USDT/USD at Kraken. Margin Open/Rollover Fee 0.005% per 4 hours 2:1 Margin is possible
However, the trading volume of the USDT/USD trading pair is pretty dismal and I would advise against trying to short it. Due to the low volume the price can be easily manipulated and I suspect that Kraken would suspend the trading anyway in the case of a strong drop based on the recent (or new) Tether news.
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
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on: January 28, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
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A new CoinDesk article from today (as far as I know CoinDesk has been very quiet about the whole Tether rumors so far): Tether Confirms Its Relationship With Auditor Has 'Dissolved'Tether, the issuer of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency USDT, said its relationship with audit firm Friedman LLP has ended.
The statement, provided Saturday evening by a company spokesperson to CoinDesk, confirms the suspicions of online sleuths and is likely to raise new questions about the company's finances. ... "We confirm that the relationship with Friedman is dissolved. Given the excruciatingly detailed procedures Friedman was undertaking for the relatively simple balance sheet of Tether, it became clear that an audit would be unattainable in a reasonable time frame. As Tether is the first company in the space to undergo this process and pursue this level of transparency, there is no precedent set to guide the process nor any benchmark against which to measure its success." Link to the full article: https://www.coindesk.com/tether-confirms-relationship-auditor-dissolved/Given the fact that Tether has not announced a new relationship with an auditor, we probably won´t see an audit in the foreseeable future. Irrespective of whether the Tether rumors are actually true, this news will definitely fuel further criticism and encourage guys like @Bitfinexed.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-26]Starbucks Chairman Is Hot on Blockchain, Cold on Bitcoin
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on: January 27, 2018, 07:39:54 PM
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... Lightning network is the only thing that Bitcoin needs right now. Once that is in place, there is no need to implement other altcoins because of them not having any 'advantage' over Bitcoin anymore. The only thing altcoins do better than Bitcoin right now, is offering faster confirmation times, and that for a lower price. I however have to point out that this is mainly the result of lacking altcoin usage. As soon as whatever altcoin sees its usage grow exponentially, like what happened with Ethereum for example, then they will suffer from network cluttering as well, which results in higher fees. I just can't say anything about when lightning network gets activated. I wish as soon as possible, but without it being tested through properly, it won't be launched.
I´d argue that altcoins are also better at enriching their founders. Most of them will probably linger around for quite a while, but will only trade for a fraction of their former value when the altcoin bubble finally bursts. The real question is when this will happen. Many high-profile ICOs that raised millions of $ will have to deliver results at some point and when they fail to do that it could disincentivize people from investing in upcoming ICOs. On the other hand it is possible that the whole scene grows so much that every disgruntled investor is easily replaced by new people, who are getting into the cryptocurrency scene due to the prospect of "easy money". Regarding the Lightning Network: People are already using it on Mainnet: https://p2sh.info/dashboard/db/lightning-network?orgId=1Of course the teams behind the various Lightning implementations currently advise people to be cautious and only use the Lightning implementations on testnet, but apparently many people are happy to throw caution to the winds.
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