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Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker
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on: December 14, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
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However, please tell me what exactly my motive is?
Sorry, I didn't make that clear what I meant. I wasn't accusing you of having a motive but your argument for Bitfinex wash trading is purely outlining what their motives for doing so could be. This is very common in conspiracy theories, make a case as to why someone would benefit from a fraud and imply that must mean they are doing it. Ok, now your post makes more sense. Basically my argument boils down to the trading volume rankings. If all available exchanges were operating perfectly innocuous the trading volume ranking would be lead by GDax/Coinbase (by far the biggest user base, caters to the biggest markets in the world except China) and Bitstamp (one of the oldest operators with a nearly flawless track record (nearly, because they also suffered a hack back in the day)). The fact that Bitfinex and Bithumb are at the top canīt be easily explained. Keep in mind that one of them even lost banking for 7 months and just recently added a few payment gateways and the other one caters mainly (or even exclusively) to the Korean market.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker
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on: December 14, 2017, 12:29:46 PM
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I think......
The owners have a huge incentive.....
As with nearly all conspiracy theories, all you have is a motive and no evidence. This is just another case of repeating unsubstantiated claims. If enough people keep repeating them then some people start to believe them. I'm not going to get into an argument and derail nrd525's thread but that needed to be said. I also donīt want to derail nrd525īs thread However, please tell me what exactly my motive is? I have been using Bitfinex (mainly for lending USD) for nearly 3 years and only recently stopped doing so, because of the developments surrounding Tether and BFX. Therefore I donīt really know why exactly I have a motive for posting bad things about Bitfinex. Iīm not like @Bitfinexed, who obviously has a personal vendetta against BFX. In fact I would be happy if all my claims were proven to be false, because of the fatal impact on the whole Bitcoin ecosystem if Bitfinex is going to fail / be shut down by US law enforcement. Take a look at the biggest Bitcoin exchanges by volume. The top 2 exchanges are Bitfinex and Bithumb (this has been the situation for quite a while). One of these got hacked in a very dubious way and has a history of not delivering on audits. Instead of entering a slow decline - the development that should occur after suffering a serious hack and never delivering the promised analysis of the hack - it continues to be the biggest exchange by volume. The owners have a history of fraudulent behavior and are also behind Tether. Active margin funding continues to hit unprecedented levels after every Tether issuance. The other one is giving out / allowing people to buy zero-fee vouchers, which enables rampant wash trading. This is not only used for BTC, but also allows them to easily create pumps for BCH or even shitcoins like XRP. Bitfinex and Bithumb would be nowhere near the top of the trading volume rankings if they wouldnīt engage in this kind of behavior. Donīt you think it is odd that the CBOE future as well as the CME future are based on exchanges like Gemini, Bitstamp or Itbit? This is really odd and I have no idea why they donīt use Bitfinex and Bithumb, because these are the two top exchanges by volume. Oh, wait, I have an idea... We can continue this discussion in the other BFX-related threads instead of continuing to derail nrd525īs Market Tracker.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker
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on: December 14, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
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You think people on Bitfinex are paying the trade fee to do wash trading? It's adding up to a lot of revenue for Bitfinex.
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I think Bitfinex are themselves the entity responsible for the wash trading alongside with people affiliated with the management. Therefore I donīt think they pay any fees at all and can wash trade with impunity. Otherwise you would obviously be right that trading fees discourage wash trading. The owners have a huge incentive to boost trading volume artificially, not only due to the fact that wash trading can be used to manipulate the price of any cryptocurrency, but also because it increases the attractivity of the exchange for genuine outside investors. Many people, who are looking for an exchange to trade are obviously going with the exchange with the biggest liquidity and the biggest trading volume. 1. Artificially increase trading volume 2. Genuine money flows into your exchange, because your exchange is the leading Bitcoin exchange by volume 3. Profit 4. Use wash trading strategically to manipulate cryptocurrencies in your favor to increase profits even further ...
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [LIST] Free EU bank accounts that you can be opened directly online
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on: December 14, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
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I can highly recommend using Mistertango's account and card products. I use it and been happy since the day I got the card. The account is free and you can open it online. The app is user friendly and easy to use. You can do SEPA transfers to other banks participating in the IBAN system.
The card is a life saver. ...
I was also thinking about opening a Mistertango account. However the 200 withdrawal limit per month for the card seems rather low. Is there a way to raise this limit (e.g. by providing additional documents) ?
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Total crypto market is now worth HALF A TRILLION dollars
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on: December 13, 2017, 11:01:17 AM
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... This will ensure the bubble won't pop but wither down into a stable state.
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Iīm not so sure about the verisimilitude of this statement. You have to realize that during the current 2017 BTC bull run (or rather a cryptocurrency bull run in general) many new investors entered the market, who are not as tech-savvy and experienced as the early adopters. They havenīt experienced a single bear market yet and will easily panic when such a market will occur. The people, who hold through 2014-2015 have strong hands and will likely hold even through another prolonged period of a declining BTC price. But the newbies, who bought in this year will easily sell when they realize that Bitcoin is not only going to go up indefinitely. Especially the guys, who got into (credit card) debt in order to accumulate Bitcoin. These "weak hands" can easily cause an unprecedented price decline when they start to panic sell.
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange with USD EUR GBP JPY CAD BTC LTC XRP NMC XDG STR ETH
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on: December 13, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
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Such upgrade. Much wow...
I donīt think the improved trading engine is live yet. I think it will be launched in the next few days and Iīm hopeful that it will improve the trading experience. However, I really hope that they started the development of the new trading engine from scratch. If they only made a few bugfixes and otherwise maintained the current codebase Iīm extremely pessimistic about the success of the new trading platform. The old one was simply too unusable in periods of higher volatility (all exchanges have that problem to some degree, but Kraken was even more unusable than the rest of them during these periods).
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-12]EBay is talking about adding Bitcoin payments
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on: December 13, 2017, 09:13:36 AM
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They're too late. The jokes on them. Bitcoin is no longer a payment system. You can't buy stuff with it anymore because now it's a "store of value". What if I told you that it was a store of value all the time? Bitcoin is not superior to credit cards or Paypal as a payment system, but it is superior to fiat currencies due to its unique monetary policy and censorship resistance. The talk of "micropayments for the 3rd world" and "easy online payments" was just marketing or people, who misunderstood the core purpose of Bitcoin. The world needs sound money more than yet another payment solution.
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Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Mt Gox, first solvent, bankrupt Bitcoin Company
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on: December 13, 2017, 07:54:09 AM
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... You might get some $$ value back in bankruptcy/reorganization, but those bitcoins can't be replaced.
Usually, you only get a fraction of the owed $ amount back in the case of a bankruptcy. Mtgox is a really interesting case. I think it is unprecedented in the history of bankruptcy law that an insolvent company owned assets that have appreciated in value as much as the BTC stash of Mtgox did. Therefore Iīm highly curious how this will play out.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker
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on: December 13, 2017, 07:45:28 AM
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... So do you think we'll see 10 times more volume? Or even 100?
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I would be extremely surprised if we would see 100x volume at the Bitcoin futures of the CME. Unfortunately, I think it will be another disappointment and it will not live up to the huge expectations. So far every launch of Bitcoin derivatives has seen rather low volumes (LedgerX, CBOE) and I expect this one to not be different. Besides, I think the comparisons to the volume of the Bitcoin exchanges are flawed as the Bitcoin exchanges with the biggest trading volume are known to allow/be involved in wash trading (Bitfinex, Bithumb). Therefore I would be cautious with drawing comparisons between trading volume of regulated Bitcoin futures and unregulated exchanges.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-11] Chicago Exchange crashed by Bitcoin
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on: December 11, 2017, 05:47:03 PM
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CBOE Tweeted a status update which said Due to heavy traffic on our website, visitors to cboe.com may find that it is performing slower than usual and may at times be temporarily unavailable. All trading systems are operating normally. ...
Iīm wondering why the official website of the CBOE was impacted by the big demand. Originally, I was under the impression that the CBOE was basically providing only the back-end for the Bitcoin futures, while the investors and retail clients had to use a broker to actually trade the futures. E.g. Schwab or TD Ameritrade in the US or Interactive Brokers for traders that reside in Europe. Therefore the trading engines of the brokers would have to be impacted by the big demand if the slower performance was actually caused by the mentioned reason. Consequently, I think the CBOE website was subject to a DDoS attack by some entity, which has an interest to harm the launch of the Bitcoin futures (e.g. someone with a big BTC short position).
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-10] Bitcoin's Rising Transaction Costs
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on: December 10, 2017, 03:20:02 PM
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...Affected more are the small Bitcoin holders as they are paying a very high transfer fees in comparison to what they are sending. How long can we be patient in dealing with this problem...before this whole thing can blow up before our faces?
I think the problem is only temporary. Right now small transcations are priced out of the mainlayer and small outputs arenīt even spendable at all, because a transaction that consists of them would never confirm unless you pay a fee that exceeds the value of the outputs. However, in the future the Lightning network and other 2nd layer solutions will once again make it feasible to use Bitcoin in 3rd world countries or as a small Bitcoin holder. I regard the current development as a kind of "growing pains", which will be forgotten in a few years when everyone uses the Lightning network and the main blockchain is mainly used for high-value settlements.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-09] Bitcoin Futures Trading Brings Crypto Into Mainstream Finance
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on: December 10, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
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Some traders also will prefer CME contracts over Cboes because theyre based off four exchanges, instead of just one, reducing risk of disruptions because of outages, attacks or price manipulations.
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Since the first Bitcoin futures news I was wondering about this decision by the CBOE. I think Gemini is one of the most legit exchanges around, but using a single exchange as a price reference could potentially be problematic. Especially, because Gemini isnīt available worldwide and therefore may be heavily influenced by Bitcoin-related development in its US markets. Besides, Gemini is not exactly at the forefront of BTC/USD trading volume. According to Coinmarketcap they only had 1.02% of total Bitcoin trading volume in the last 24 hours. Therefore Iīm highly sceptical whether it is a good idea to base their Bitcoin futures on an exchange that does only represent a fraction of the BTC economy and is basically only available in the US and 3-4 other countries.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-9] Bulgaria Government Shocked To Discover It Owns $3 Billion In BTC
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on: December 10, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
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Something fishy about this why would the organized criminal group keep all their stash in one wallet..for a group of hackers no words ? unless there is more which hasn't been disclosed or someone sold them out from the beginning! Anyway something positive from this, the government gets a chance to improve its computer systems after it was compromised just hope they don't dump those bitcoins in their possession. Where did you read that the criminal operation kept all BTC in one wallet? They probably seized several wallets and the amount mentioned in the Zerohedge article is the total confiscated amount. However, it is probably going to be difficult to liquidate a big position like this at these price levels. Back in the day when the US ran the auction for the Silk Road coins, BTC price was a lot lower. Letīs hope they put the money raised by selling the BTC to some good use and the money doesnīt trickle away in the bureaucracy of the Bulgarian government.
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
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on: December 09, 2017, 09:47:51 PM
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WTF is this crap? For all those years I've been with bitfinex I had never experienced something like this Error 1015 Ray ID: 3cab1b96be653e1a 2017-12-09 21:37:48 UTC You are being rate limited What happened? The owner of this website ( www.bitfinex.com) has banned you temporarily from accessing this website. This is not a Bitfinex error, but rather a too restrictive Cloudflare setting. I assume they had to accentuate their Cloudflare settings, because of the recent DDoS attacks on their website. From their Twitter: Bitfinex has been under significant denial-of-service attack for the past several days. The attack has recently worsened. Please monitor https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/ for ongoing updates. ...
Eery familiar. MtGox also was heavily backlogged by its own overwhelming success, months and weeks befor the largest fireworks in bitcoin history. Yet.
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I would be more worried about them adding pretty sketchy altcoins in the last weeks. Altcoins like QASH or YOYO should never be added on an exchange that wants to be taken seriously. There is a reason why these coins are never added to Bitstamp, GDAX or Gemini.
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★Crypto-Games.net ★ 10 coins ★ 7 games ★ Since 2014 ★ Largest crowdfunded casino
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on: December 09, 2017, 09:41:49 PM
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Anyway, I just invested some BTC on Crypto-Games and I see there's a quite substantial divest fee. Why is there a divest fee if I haven't even had any profits (I have just invested)?
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From the Crypto-Games FAQ: We charge additional divest fee for short-term investments. This is to prevent abuse. The fees are as shown below: For investments younger than 7 days, there is a 0.3% divestment fee For investments younger than 14 days, there is a 0.2% divestment fee For investments younger than 21 days, there is a 0.1% divestment fee For investments older than 21 days, there is no divestment fee Divestment fee is calculated based on the total investment value, not on the profit/losses. Basically you donīt have to worry about the divestment fee at all if you intend to invest for more than 3 weeks. In general I think this system is absolutely fair and I actually prefer it to the "dilution fee" at competitor bustadice. @Lutpin Are there any plans to remove/add altcoins? Some of the currently used altcoins are barely seeing any betting activity. Therefore it could potentially be in the interest of Crypto-Games to remove an unpopular altcoin in order to replace it with a more popular one.
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Economy / Economics / Re: What makes Bitcoin to move this fast?
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on: December 09, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
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... A team recently has successfully implementing Lightning Network on the Bitcoin mainnet. That's huge. ...
Iīm not too sanguine about the timeline of the Lightning network. There were claims that it was about to be publicly launched already in 2015. This was 2 years ago and they still havenīt released it. Sure, there have been a few successful tests and the clients look better these days, but Iīm still pessimistic about the timeline. It will eventually launch, but there is always the possibility of unexpected issues and bugs. Given the fact that the developers are taking security very seriously it is unlikely that we will see the launch of Lightning network in 2018. Letīs hope that Iīm wrong and everything works out faster than I expect.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2017-12-07 Crypto Coins News - Bitcoin Price Goes Parabolic, Cannibalizes Crypto
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on: December 09, 2017, 12:59:36 PM
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Unbelievable volume around $17 Billion for a day, I think it is the first time in Bitcoin's history to have more than 1 Million BTCitcoins in exchanges. and now price has dropped more and is $14.400 while alt coins are rising. even if I beg it wont change anything, so I'm not going to beg, sell your Bitcoins to pump every coin you are holding, just invest 1% into my activity tokens. sad lol.
I think the actual amount of Bitcoin on exchanges is lower than 1M BTC. The volume can also be explained by the fact that the same BTC are traded multiple times. Bitfinex is the biggest exchange by volume and they have roughly ~120k BTC in their cold wallet: https://bitinfocharts.com/de/bitcoin/address/3D2oetdNuZUqQHPJmcMDDHYoqkyNVsFk9rYou have to realize that a big part of exchange trading volume is not manual traders, but (arbitrage) bots. They often do a ton of tiny trades and therefore create a lot of trading volume, while actually moving very little BTC. Besides, the reported trading volumes of many exchanges should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially the Korean exchanges, which offer possibilities for zero fee trading, which artificially inflates trading volumes.
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