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Other / Meta / Re: Identifying alts using posted addresses
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on: April 05, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
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Correct, but I am talking about cases where we were really wrong in the end (this is a subset of the set of all the times we were wrong because this includes cases that we do not know about). Sometimes they are inconclusive sure, but I would not doubt its superb accuracy (is far from perfect, but no tool is perfect). We make use of what little we are given here.  Perhaps from now on I will try to follow the reputation board a little more than before. :-D If you care for your health, then this is not the wisest decision.  You're welcome to the party. |
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Other / Meta / Re: Identifying alts using posted addresses
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on: April 05, 2020, 07:35:45 AM
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How is it a hard call if it was almost always correct  This does not make sense to me. You should exercise caution when evaluating, but you should also keep in mind its correctness. The average user being caught this was has no idea what they are doing let alone ways of evading. I said earlier that I have not done the math yet so I can not come to a conclusion. I am also not invalidating your point of judgement. If my memory is not too bad then I have seen few cases where I could not make a clear call. Correct, but I am talking about cases where we were really wrong in the end (this is a subset of the set of all the times we were wrong because this includes cases that we do not know about). Sometimes they are inconclusive sure, but I would not doubt its superb accuracy (is far from perfect, but no tool is perfect). We make use of what little we are given here. |
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Other / Meta / Re: Identifying alts using posted addresses
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on: April 05, 2020, 07:16:47 AM
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In >95% of the cases that people were connected this way, they were actually connected. Are you saying such rates of accuracy are inadequate?  I never done the math percentage but unless there are some others facts and evidence is obvious then it's a hard call, at least for ms. How is it a hard call if it was almost always correct This does not make sense to me. You should exercise caution when evaluating, but you should also keep in mind its correctness. The average user being caught this was has no idea what they are doing let alone ways of evading. |
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on: April 05, 2020, 07:10:34 AM
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How long do you think it will be before people start framing each other by posting addresses that are not theirs?
I believe such cases must have already happened. This is less of a problem than you think. If somebody enters some shitcoin bounty with my address, is anybody reasonable going to believe it was me? [1] The same goes for you and others. Most affected members would be other bounty spammers, sig. spammers on various levels. Behavioural analyses makes this less of a problem. True, they are going to post an address that they control to get the coin. But if they don't really care about the airdrop (or whatever) they can just use an alt account to post the address of someone they don't like and both accounts are banned.
For this reason we can not say for sure that two or more accounts are connected just because same address posted from those accounts or someone quoted someone else's post which looks they were following up some comments. I have already seen few cases and my standing was pretty much looking to where these ends. In >95% of the cases that people were connected this way, they were actually connected. Are you saying such rates of accuracy are inadequate?
[1] There was a case where a long time ago where Yahoo asked me linking me to some spreadsheet, I had no idea what the project was nor did I enter its airdrop. |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported
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on: April 05, 2020, 06:12:44 AM
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I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.
Not even their license is proper, what else do you need? |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Another ANN bumping group+ Interesting merit transfers
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on: April 05, 2020, 06:01:27 AM
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This practice will certainly never stop if thread owners are not flagged. I believe we can not apply a singular stance, that is flag all threads or not flag all threads. We should evaluate each case individually. For the projects that were linked, there is nothing to indicate any kind of strong legitimacy or autonomy that would make it unlikely that they hired these people. I am not asking for opinions on a general stance, but rather these particular cases!
I might misunderstood your previous post, but yeah i agree with what you said, it should be done on a case by case basis, and I'll take a look at it. Since 99% of all projects are pure bs, chances are good that something can be found. That is alright, by wording was inadequate! So what would you say about these? In particular that "Blockchain 5.0" looks like a scam that is highly probable to have hired the bumpers. |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: ibminer’s factually false, defamatory, and reputationally scandalous statement
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on: April 04, 2020, 05:29:48 PM
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Granted, there were better ways to settle this which is why you too could just have been Col. Jessup and finished this. The way OP asked may not seem appropriate to you, me or plenty others but that does not make you right in continuing to be unflinching on something this serious. Your leaving it unchanged and suchmoon trying to create confusion on "meaning of e-whore" just sounds like an excuse to not accept your mistake while using it to target another user because you want to, don't know, have something on him? Surely you are better than this. I am really really surprised as to why this is happening. Not a single word needed to be said, remove the word, close the thread, end. I wonder what will be next instead of this simple solution.  |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported
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on: April 04, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
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odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )
This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible. I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here ) at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case Actually if you think about it from a more advanced adversarial perspective, that is exactly one of the tactics that they should deploy. Create an copycat site with obfuscated odds.  There are many ways to create a 2-step obfuscation tactic so it gets recognized as "This is too stupid to do as an adversary, so they are not the adversary". My advice is reading up on adversarial tactics, both novice and advanced ones (also especially methods used by agencies). |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported
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on: April 04, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
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The thing that baffles me: You don't just open a betting site, if you have previously been running a fruit shop. You are likely to have been in and around this realm for some time and know how this industry works, the problems, the risks, the black sheeps.
Now how in the world, do you put up a site that has so many similarities to one of the worst books in this space in terms of reputation ? This makes no sense to me, if you are trying to establish yourself as a legit and trustworthy company. You are just harming your business right from the get go, which could be avoided rather easily.
I am always willing to give new bookmakers the benefit of the doubt, but every one of them, that can be linked to "1xbet group" - even just by the look of it - should be taken with a grain of salt. And the more experienced users/betting people should at least raise their concerns to create awareness for newbies. What each and everyone does with this information is up to them then.
As a general advice, you can always take your chances with new bookmakers, but use small stakes/deposits to begin with. Make regular withdrawals and look for reviews and experiences from fellow punters. This is no holy grail to not get scammed, but a proper way to minimize the risk. And most of the time you will find the same bets/odds in other, maybe more established and trustworthy, bookmakers anyway.
Occam's razor says Cleobet = betb2b (1xbet/1xbit). Apparently many people are not familiar with this concept and prefer speculating in theories with dozens of assumptions rather than those with few. |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Another ANN bumping group+ Interesting merit transfers
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on: April 04, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
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I think we should tag them as well, given the circumstances. Even if you take a brief look you can conclude that it is all fraudulent, for example "Blockchain 5.0" (no such thing exists and indicates a scam). Opinions?
So far i was reluctant to do that as i noticed from older and more experienced members that they don't do that for ANN that hire bumping services unless they have other proof of scam, but maybe this is exactly what is needed, in order for them to stop. I would like to hear opinions about this issue as well. This practice will certainly never stop if thread owners are not flagged. I believe we can not apply a singular stance, that is flag all threads or not flag all threads. We should evaluate each case individually. For the projects that were linked, there is nothing to indicate any kind of strong legitimacy or autonomy that would make it unlikely that they hired these people. I am not asking for opinions on a general stance, but rather these particular cases! |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported
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on: April 04, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
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odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )
This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible. |
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Economy / Reputation / Re: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported
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on: April 04, 2020, 06:41:25 AM
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I'm inclined to believe that they are telling the truth about "rebuilding" (copying) the interface of 1xbet. I completely understand efialtis's concerns though; it's the reasonable assumption after seeing new 1xbet clones pop up recently.
Understandable, but this does not make it that much better (rebuilding somebody else's interface). Right? What this means for me is that they aren't a proven scam (1xbet has 100% confirmed scammed lots of players - Cleobet has not) and while copying interfaces/code might be less ethical, I haven't seen any flags opened for those cases in the past. For example, no one has flagged the various mixers that copied text from other mixers using that as the reason. I can't support this claim in good faith with the evidence in the thread: I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money Fair. I have given them a negative rating therefore while this plays out. |
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