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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 08:50:34 AM
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I'll certainly be looking into this more, but I am really feeling like you guys are purposely leaving out a bunch of information in order to further your own agenda. I haven't left anything out. I saw an article that BFL had made good on a promise to donate 1000 bitcoins and noticed they created a foundation to do so. I assumed the foundation was a neutral entity and sent an email. I never got a reply thus I sent the one I posted above and asked our two fundraisers also to apply. I never received a reply. I never assumed any malice or dishonesty until I stumbled upon Matt's post. Matt nor anyone in the general community was told about our solicitation of the fund for a donation therefore I have no reason to believe he fabricated Josh's response. It greatly disheartens me BFL has yet again taken something good and found a way to corrupt it somehow. This donation was for brand enhancement alone and had nothing to do with helping entities in the Bitcoin community in need of funds. Honestly, as long as the money goes to causes that aren't affiliated with them (as in, they aren't just giving money to themselves), I really don't see a problem. I don't either, but why not just simply issue a press release saying BFL is going to donate 1,000 bitcoins and please submit an email to us for funding requests? I would have never solicited BFL due to my relationship with their operating officer. This is a direct quote from their website http://www.bitcoindf.org/: The Bitcoin development fund was created to support projects that benefit the greater bitcoin community. Our first donation of 1,000 BTC was made by Butterfly Labs which is a bitcoin mining hardware manufacturer. If you would like to donate or become a member of our charity selection board, please email submit@bitcoindf.org or send BTC to 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7. From Josh: You badmouth BFL and me every chance you get and you want a handout? Yeah right, get real. What kind of drugs are you on? You should lay off them.
You're as bad as Charlie Hoskins whining for a handout for his bitcoin education project after claiming BFL is a scam. This is not an independent foundation, yet they are representing themselves as one. |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 08:39:18 AM
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You haters are fucking ridiculous. https://www.smore.com/u1tqCalling a company scammers over 50 times and then you wonder why they will not give you money and use that as a basis for claiming they are scammers? You really only weaken your own case by claiming such ridiculous shit. When I read shit that is clearly retarded, it makes me think the exact opposite of what your saying is true. So if the BFL thing were somehow still a scam, you have just convinced me its legit due to how stupid what you're saying sounds.. Just throwing that out there. Again, the donations are not under dispute. It is the representation of the donations on behalf of an independent entity with an application process. Josh's statement clearly indicates that the money was given for brand enhancement. This is fine; however, it begs the question why BFL has gone to the trouble to create a webpage? Apparently, if you are a critic of their horrific business practices, then you are automatically disqualified from any consideration. It's fundamentally dishonest and backhanded. If BFL had simply put the donation page on their website as an initiative of their business, then I wouldn't have wasted any of BEP's resources because of my relationship with the company. Yet they have represented the donation campaign as an neutral foundation seeking requests from the community as a whole. |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 08:16:57 AM
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I've also come to this conclusion. They of course will use someone like Maged to say "well it's just because you don't have an eatablished rep" or something, but without a public guideline, it's funny how anyone but an insider would even know what their reasons or rules are for acceptance (they have yet to respond to my inquiries as to the official process and who is in charge of donation decisions). Judging by the response, it's only one person, the one who lost the bet in the first place. Conflicts of interest abound. Well the FSF and EFF are on that list thus if they pay I will congratulate them on the donation; however, BFL somehow always manages to make a potentially good thing corrupted. Why represent this donation as an independent foundation funding worthy projects if it is simply a corporate donation for brand repair? It's dishonest. Thank you for letting me know about this Matt. I'll stop wasting my time with Bitcoin DF and get back to work making lectures. I've decided to also post one of the emails I sent to the Fund: |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 08:07:24 AM
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Let us know how this turns out. I'll be very interested in their response. I requested twice with two different emails and two other members helping us with fundraising requested. One living in China. No one has ever received a response nor does there exist a form to apply other than an email. I never told Matt nor made my application public knowledge therefore, I do not doubt his post: You're as bad as Charlie Hoskins whining for a handout for his bitcoin education project after claiming BFL is a scam. I think BFL's answer is clear. First, they are in charge of donation distribution. Second, distribution is based upon their business interests not benefits to the community. |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 08:04:26 AM
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Scammer tags are no longer handed out except in the most extraordinary of cases because the trust system is supposed to be a replacement for the scammer tag system. Instead of only being allowed to trust theymos' judgement of whether or not someone is a scammer, you're allowed to add other people's opinions to the list of people you trust, since you clearly think that theymos' opinion on who a scammer is is too narrow. Alright that answers my first question, now I have another. At what point does a business entity cross a threshold that Bitcointalk will no longer desire to be affiliated with them? |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 07:59:47 AM
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Ironically, I don't strongly dislike you, just how how much you talk like "The Founder" and Atlas. Not everything you make is as big and important as you think. If you could accept that along wih criticisms, I'm sure there would be room for friendship and collaboration. I'm going to be here a very long time afterall. Matt, I've tried very hard to not dislike you and it has nothing to do with your personal attacks. It has to do with you discounting the contributions people in this community have made to the Bitcoin Education Project. If you think I'm some delusional prick, then that's fine, but please don't say the uncompensated work of now 17 people (some working for now weeks) is just a meaningless ego stroke. I admit that I've made a few mistakes in the social media strategy and my communications during the inception of BEP; however, I will never apologize for giving people in this community a platform to educate others about their passions. Yet you're right this isn't the discussion for this thread. I would really like a clear answer from the leadership of Bitcointalk regarding BFL. I mean honestly why do you have a reputation system if this conduct is to be accepted. They obviously are misrepresenting the donation. |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The truth about the BFL 1000 BTC fund?
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on: June 15, 2013, 07:43:43 AM
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You're as bad as Charlie Hoskins whining for a handout for his bitcoin education project after claiming BFL is a scam. As much as I strongly dislike you Matt, thank you for confirming what I thought. BFL represented their charity as an independent fund and now it just appears to be a PR proxy of BFL. I requested funds for BEP to see if I'd ever get a response. I was happy to answer any and all questions regarding the use of requested funds, provide regular reports on how the funds were spent and also discuss the philosophy and growth of BEP. We have delivered a product to market that is beneficial to all Bitcoiners and totally free. We are also on schedule for all future products and have gathered the support of many in this community. Josh's comments clearly indicate that is no neutrality in the distribution of the funds promised nor accountability to anyone in the community. It makes me sad and yet again adds to the already tarnished reputation of BFL. I would honestly like someone in a leadership position on this forum to answer why no one from BFL has received some form of scammer tag? I mean honestly why do you have a reputation system if this conduct is accepted in the first place? |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: What would you like to know about Prism
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on: June 14, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
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Do you have any information on how prism works, or are you going pure gumshoe? Yes. Please post requests instead of asking senseless questions. I wouldn't be writing an article on the system if I didn't understand it. Do they execute MITM attacks?
Do they hack the computers remotely? What techniques are used? I'll answer these in the article. Can you provide a web diagram of how PRISM interacts with each form of media and how they filter the information As much as I am allowed to diagram, I will. |
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Other / Off-topic / What would you like to know about Prism
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on: June 13, 2013, 11:49:29 PM
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I'm writing an article for Bitcoin Magazine on Prism and I'd like to ask this community what they would like to know about Prism and how the American Intelligence Infrastructure collects information.
I'll also be covering some ways you can protect yourself from getting snooped on. Let me know.
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Bitcoin / Mining / Re: can mining algorithyms be changed to benefit humanity
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on: June 13, 2013, 10:12:17 PM
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Actually, sir or madam, I've gotten just enough snarky comments, and been shown enough disrespect by others for my little question (which some seem to think is a good idea and even feasible), that I think I will take your advice and move on.
Over the course of this post I have gone from being a Bitcoin enthusiast--to not wanting to have anything to do with it. In ten years on the internet I have only a few times been treated in the rude and disrespectful manner some of you have shown.
Thank you for helping to reveal to me that yours is a movement where I don't belong and should not transact business--nor should my large family business accept Bitcoin. I will be selling my mining rigs and donate the proceeds to BOINC, with the suggestion that they use the proceeds to research how to make it feasible for gamers to contribute GPU time to projects like BOINC.
It is now clear to me that you have a very uphill fight to gain the kind of confidence your movement seems to desire--beyond the support you have garnered on the Silk Road. Your peers talk about making the world a better place with this project's remedy to the world's problems--but there are too many flies in the ointment for my taste and I don't think most people, in the long run, will choose to do business in this manner.
Though I do wish the best of luck to those of you who have been polite and informative to me in the past.
Get me out of here! I'm sorry that you have found the worst side of this forum's trolls. I have also endured their unnecessary banality and harshness. I'm not in this moment to collaborate with them. My goal is to use Bitcoin as a vehicle to change the world's money system. Please understand that while your question is valid and should receive an answer, bitcointalk really isn't the place to answer it. In the coming months, we'll build better communities that are more respectful and willing to listen. I hope you'll join us. Until then, thank you for the opportunity to meet and I wish you well. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is it possible to generate the same adress twice?
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on: June 13, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
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I have this question that has been bugging me lately.
Is it possible to accidentally generate the same address twice on 2 different machines? Technically, yes. Like winning powerball three times consecutively is possible. I mean, if you think of it, couldn't it be possible that i make a new address on my pc to do a payment, and at the exact same time, someone else makes one too.
I know the chances are almost infinitely small, but in theory those 2 addresses could be the same right? They would have the same private key, yes. Does the client check with the network before making one? Most do not. What about nodes that are disconnected but have empty addresses on them for later use? Addresses are only recognized after they have received a transaction. I can have five million addresses in my wallet. Only if someone sends bitcoins to them does the blockchain have a record of their existence. How does the blockchain deal with that? Is there a safety protocol in place to prevent this? There doesn't need to be one. The chances of an address collision are so low that it will likely never happen in a 1,000 human lifetimes. Would those 2 addresses have the same private key as well? Yes Would the blockchain reject one of those addresses, and if so, which one? The blockchain is agnostic to the private keys behind an address. One can even send bitcoins to an address without a known private key effectively destroying the coins until quantum computers can find the private key again. The situation you described would result in two parties having access to the funds. I'm trying to understand as much as possible about bitcoin, so if anyone can enlighten me, that would be great! I hoped this helped. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Steve Gibson Nails Prism and Some Light Reading
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on: June 13, 2013, 04:20:15 PM
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Come on! Old man wasted one hour just to tell that NSA uses optical splitters at traffic exchanges to get a copy of most traffic and therefore PRISM is a fitting name. Yep, it makes sense, but what's the news here? What's the news in any of the recent revelations, actually? I thought it is a common knowledge that NSA and their ilk have a copy of most comms. Encrypt everything. Nothing has changed. I think it needed to be said for our non-technical friends. The lesson to take away from his message is encrypt your stuff. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Announcing Project Invictus: a P2P Exchange Collaboration
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on: June 13, 2013, 04:18:26 PM
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Good, glad to see someone finally being serious about this.
I think you'd want to get demo of crosschain p2pt running before asking foundation to fund it, if I see repo with sensible code, I'll even help you. The wording in the paper is a bit unfortunate imho, it sounds a bit like heresy - your altchain is designed to support fragmentation of Bitcoin ecosystem and you're asking Bitcoin foundation to support that? Maybe you want to tweak your wording a bit. There are far more productive use cases for cp2pt than just faciliating BTC x LTC x otherscamltc p2ptrade. I really do find this comment condescending. I've just received a 22 page whitepaper BTCLuke and I have numerous others. Some members here have been writing actual code to test their ideas. I have access to considerable funding and will spend it to ensure this project moves in the proper direction. I don't really understand your definition of serious, but I will inform you that the foundation's behavior and funding patterns are impossible to divine. I wouldn't ever get into bed with them on any project. |
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Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitcoin Crowdfunding: Bitcoin Education Project
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on: June 13, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
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I mean there's not repurcusions if the party receives bitcoins and doesn't deliver a project. where'as with paypal/credit cards it can be tracked what party received it and they could be sued etc. if failed to deliver (ran with the money)
just pointing out a general detriment of this site, because I didn't see the 'bitcoinstarter' original thread This is a unique problem in the Bitcoin ecosystem and one I'd love to work with Bitcoinstarter in the future on to resolve. We have an enormous advantage in the movement of money, but a massive disadvantage in accountability and transparency. Thus there needs to be some work to add meta-data and features to certain addresses in order to make kickstarter like projects more fair to all parties. |
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