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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: February 06, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
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I'm not too worried about financial regulators warning against a Bitcoin forex exchange, in fact I would expect it since obviously it cuts them out of the picture. Its all about reputation, if someone lost money on bit4x or were scammed/didn't get their deposit back then that is important to me ... everything else doesn't seem to matter besides if the exchange actually does what is supposed to. From what I can tell bit4x doesn't seem to be very popular so I am hesitant, if I put in a big deposit would they just pick up and run? An intersted concept, for a full Bitcoin Forex exchange, would be for some way to have Bitcoins in a multisig/escrow type account. There would be a clear contract obviously stating you are responsible for forex losses/gains. This would prevent the exchange operator from stealing your funds though. Since the exchange operator wouldn't have direct access to the funds immediately, then he would have to use his own funds to do the trading, so something like this Forex operator has a wallet of say 20 BTC Customer comes and wants to "deposit" say 4 BTC to use Forex Customer puts 4 BTC in escrow account with terms that he is responsible for loss/gain Forex operator uses his own 4 BTC to let the customer trade with. When the customer wants to cash out (either he gains or loss), Forex company sends him the account balance (lets say the 4 BTC turned into 2 BTC with losses, Forex company sends customer 2 BTC). Money is released from escrow, and any disputes there is clearly evidence logs of trades/profits/loss Of course there would be fees for the Forex company since they have to have BTC reserve to actually trade with, so going through this process ties up their BTC holding so it needs to be worth their while. opinions? also it would rely a lot of the Escrow company being somewhat "smart" and being able to look at forex trading history in case of disputes (if the customer claims he didn't lose money but he did) Also, there is the possibility that the Forex operator keeps the money, say the customer turns the 4 BTC into 40 BTC with trading. The Forex company could decide to just keep that and forfeit the escrow deposit of 4 BTC. In this case then the customer would want to "cash out" when his winnings exceeded the escrow amount and start over. there was a topic here about Bit4X where the comunity also issued a lot of warning signs. this topic now doesn't exist anymore it seams. also this is not about "Bitcoin vs regulators".. A serious Forex trader will always prefer regulated brokers basically if you want regulation it is going to come with AML/KYC/full identity checks etc sure. so what? I'm not a criminal. I have nothing to hide. but for those who like to stay anoymous we have a very good option: https://1broker.com/m/r.php?i=229
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: February 03, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
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I'm not too worried about financial regulators warning against a Bitcoin forex exchange, in fact I would expect it since obviously it cuts them out of the picture. Its all about reputation, if someone lost money on bit4x or were scammed/didn't get their deposit back then that is important to me ... everything else doesn't seem to matter besides if the exchange actually does what is supposed to. From what I can tell bit4x doesn't seem to be very popular so I am hesitant, if I put in a big deposit would they just pick up and run? An intersted concept, for a full Bitcoin Forex exchange, would be for some way to have Bitcoins in a multisig/escrow type account. There would be a clear contract obviously stating you are responsible for forex losses/gains. This would prevent the exchange operator from stealing your funds though. Since the exchange operator wouldn't have direct access to the funds immediately, then he would have to use his own funds to do the trading, so something like this Forex operator has a wallet of say 20 BTC Customer comes and wants to "deposit" say 4 BTC to use Forex Customer puts 4 BTC in escrow account with terms that he is responsible for loss/gain Forex operator uses his own 4 BTC to let the customer trade with. When the customer wants to cash out (either he gains or loss), Forex company sends him the account balance (lets say the 4 BTC turned into 2 BTC with losses, Forex company sends customer 2 BTC). Money is released from escrow, and any disputes there is clearly evidence logs of trades/profits/loss Of course there would be fees for the Forex company since they have to have BTC reserve to actually trade with, so going through this process ties up their BTC holding so it needs to be worth their while. opinions? also it would rely a lot of the Escrow company being somewhat "smart" and being able to look at forex trading history in case of disputes (if the customer claims he didn't lose money but he did) Also, there is the possibility that the Forex operator keeps the money, say the customer turns the 4 BTC into 40 BTC with trading. The Forex company could decide to just keep that and forfeit the escrow deposit of 4 BTC. In this case then the customer would want to "cash out" when his winnings exceeded the escrow amount and start over. there was a topic here about Bit4X where the comunity also issued a lot of warning signs. this topic now doesn't exist anymore it seams. also this is not about "Bitcoin vs regulators".. A serious Forex trader will always prefer regulated brokers
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: January 18, 2015, 11:57:26 AM
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I don't like FOREX. Seems to be it is only kind of sandbox for big kids. But trading bitcoins would be good idea
trade Bitcoins on a 0-fee exchange Any zero fee exchange is likely going to be some kind of scam. All businesses need to somehow make money and if they are not charging their customers anything then the only way they can "make" money is to steal it somehow and if they are holding money on behalf of their customers then those funds would be easy to take well, they charge fees for fiat in and out.....obviously they could do something like frontrunning, too.....but since this is free market, this is totaly "legal" (and I doubt there is any exchange (even the fee chargers) which do not take advantage of their privileged position) .....anyways, there is a lot of dicussion here where you can read about this in the forum
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: December 11, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
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There are absolutely no fees whatsoever on any Bitcoin deposits nor withdrawals. It is all 100% free the way it should be. We are charged a very small fee when buying and selling Bitcoin but we do not pass these onto clients.
Thank you for clarifying and providing the most important innovation of BTC to the public forex community. I will happily spread the word. I second that We appreciate the support you guys! Bitcoin is definitely a great start to the free currency revolution (and I hope the revolution continues to evolve as it has over the past few years). Please consider signing up for an account with us and getting it verified. You will then be able to sign up as an affiliate so you can earn some money off of your affiliates' trading. If your friend would like me to look into his issue (with the bank wire vs the BTC withdrawal) just tell him to email me. The number of Bitcoin deposits has been good thus far although I would definitely like to see a bit more. Hopefully as we grow and the word spreads, we will be more established in the Bitcoin community (it has been just three short months that we began working on our Bitcoin project, and a little over two since Bitcoin came online on our website). If you guys have any further suggestions, let me know. Currently we do not have enough demand for BTC denominated accounts nor having the BTC/USD pair on our platform. However, if the demand grows it is something we would consider. As Bitcoin is open source, I invite you to let me know of any services you would like to see at Trader's Way so we can continue to evolve ourselves. Thank you for your kind words. Joe Carney I think the problem is that Bitcoiners in general are not your tipical Forex trader. like I allready said once to you, your offer is more atractive for allready Forex traders which need a better deposit method than the existing once. capoeira, I agree with your contention. Perhaps if we see some demand for a BTC/USD pair on our platform, maybe we can add it in the future and perhaps Bitcoiners will have another reason to try out our services. What do you guys think? It depends on you you implent the pair. A CFD with huge spread wont atract Bitcoiners...A "real market" via API is another story, could be interesting for many
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: December 10, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
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There are absolutely no fees whatsoever on any Bitcoin deposits nor withdrawals. It is all 100% free the way it should be. We are charged a very small fee when buying and selling Bitcoin but we do not pass these onto clients.
Thank you for clarifying and providing the most important innovation of BTC to the public forex community. I will happily spread the word. I second that We appreciate the support you guys! Bitcoin is definitely a great start to the free currency revolution (and I hope the revolution continues to evolve as it has over the past few years). Please consider signing up for an account with us and getting it verified. You will then be able to sign up as an affiliate so you can earn some money off of your affiliates' trading. If your friend would like me to look into his issue (with the bank wire vs the BTC withdrawal) just tell him to email me. The number of Bitcoin deposits has been good thus far although I would definitely like to see a bit more. Hopefully as we grow and the word spreads, we will be more established in the Bitcoin community (it has been just three short months that we began working on our Bitcoin project, and a little over two since Bitcoin came online on our website). If you guys have any further suggestions, let me know. Currently we do not have enough demand for BTC denominated accounts nor having the BTC/USD pair on our platform. However, if the demand grows it is something we would consider. As Bitcoin is open source, I invite you to let me know of any services you would like to see at Trader's Way so we can continue to evolve ourselves. Thank you for your kind words. Joe Carney I think the problem is that Bitcoiners in general are not your tipical Forex trader. like I allready said once to you, your offer is more atractive for allready Forex traders which need a better deposit method than the existing once.
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: December 09, 2014, 04:24:45 PM
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There are absolutely no fees whatsoever on any Bitcoin deposits nor withdrawals. It is all 100% free the way it should be. We are charged a very small fee when buying and selling Bitcoin but we do not pass these onto clients.
Thank you for clarifying and providing the most important innovation of BTC to the public forex community. I will happily spread the word. I second that
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: trading Forex with Bitcoin deposit/withdraw
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on: December 07, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
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OK I will answer to your question regarding trading Forex with Bitcoins. It will not be possible, because in Forex market main currency is only USD. Simple as that. All Forex is working/trading with USD and all brokers in Forex is also working/trading with USD. I do not think that in next 20 - 30 years in Forex market can be changes in that.
if you want a BTC dominated account, take a look at: https://1broker.com/m/r.php?i=229
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