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1  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: May 15, 2019, 10:39:41 AM
Написать мне в личку.
2  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: May 14, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
Закрытая рассылка была, многие получили )
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 30, 2019, 08:38:00 AM
Is there still time to get a document with your new developments, or am I late? I still hold wings and I want to see progress


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4  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 24, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
A Step Closer to The DAO

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 24, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
A Step Closer to The DAO

6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 23, 2019, 11:19:45 AM
well, in my opinion ICO is not a profit, it is a means to fund development, marketing and operations, which they (wings) seem to continuously be doing for more than 3 years (i think project was started in April 2016 or so) ? Lets remember they raised afair 1.7 or 1.8 million, not 15 and certainly not 100.

To be precise, they raised about 2000 BTC, which on the day of the ICO was worth 895.67 USD per BTC. Note that on the way BTC rised significantly, even to 20 000 USD at some point. It is unknown how much exactly they sold and how many millions they have, but it is definitely way more than is needed for development of such project. But they deserve it, since people gave them money willingly, just like any other ICO project. I agree with you, that the exact number is unknown and there is lack of transparency, but lack of transparency is something that characterises most ICOs and Wings was not the only one to never report how many funds they had and on what they are spending it, but it is something that you could accuse many other ICOs as well, so IMO not that relevant and I don't really care if they took some of that money for themselves via creative accounting like many other ICOs did, since it is standard practice here and noone minds it as long as some of that money is spend on the project. I am just disappointed by having multimillion sum from ICO  and not spending it on marketing and PR and other things that might benefit the token holders. But I am not here to ask questions what happened to the 2000 BTC and how much of it was spent, if you are curious about it you can further pursue this issue. I am here to ask, why a project that has millions of dollars is not spending fraction of that money on professional PR in times of crisis like this (when price is plummeting, bug cased people lose trust in the project, exchanges are delisting)? Is it so hard to spend some of that mony on additional paid listing, hiring professional PR company to handle this, pay back people that lost money because of the bug, become more transparent about spending so far etc.

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I actually checked this now and according to the terms, only 6% was given to the foundation (and another 14m to core members personally vested over 36 months, but thats personal tokens). So thats 6M wings belonging to the foundation from which i assume they needed to incentivise employees, pay bills and who knowns what else, like any other company that has an asset.
Even if they did forecast using the tokens (which i'm not sure they did as i couldn't find anything about it in the quick search i did), what makes you think they actually made a profit ? (forecasted correctly or sold the tokens that were received as a reward). if they did forecast, it would actually be logical if they didn't sell the reward tokens as that would be a warning sign for potential projects ("hey look the foundation dumps our tokens so we won't give a reward").
and lets say that you are right and they did forecast and they did make a reward which they did sell. how big do you think that reward was considering the fact that they were 1 forecast out of hundreds and considering that they probably had a significant number of employees ?

Exactly! 6% is a lot, when you look at the numbers that they gave multiple times, stating that the rewards they gave away so far were worth 120 million USD on the day of the ICO (and note that some of them pumped significatly immediately after launch). Assuming they were average with they answers at best (but do you think the were just average?) it was additional millions of profit. And remember, this is for project only, not including personal rewards of the individual team members. And it was stated multiple times the are using those tokens belonging to the Foundation for forecasting (which they have right to do, this is source of additioal profit for the project). If the numbers you provided are correct, it means they earned ton of money and why it is not spent on some paid exchanges listing, PR, giving money back to the people who lost it because of their bug and additional marketing is beyond me. It might be in their interest to wait for Wings.ai to fall to be able to cash out rest of the money and move to the next project, it might be simply poor management or it might be something else, but the fact is they are not spending this money right. Examples what should be done are in my previous posts.

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that's actually incorrect. none of the examples i gave reimbursed people, because they all don't charge people for using their software (despite potentially making a profit from user data or what not)

That's my point. You gave examples of project that did not reimburse, while I was talking about those that did reimburse. This is why I stated that some did and some did not. Wings decided to be in a group that moves full responsibility to the users and does not reimburse in any way, which is their choice, but it also gives a vibe "do not trust our smart contracts, becasue in case there is another bug in them (or in the UI) and your money is lost, we will not pay you anything". So once again, you are free to do this, but then do not expect people to trust you and don't be surprised that the price is declining.

There is no point to discuss it any further.
We now see (partly to your research) that they have lots of of money.
We also do not know how they are exactly spending it (which is industry standard, we all know those ICOs had more money than they needed anyway).
We also see not much is being done to regain the trust (no effort to figure out how many people lost money because of the bug and paying those people back, no immediate PR statement, not spending money on additonal marketing).
Some might think it is OK (like you), some might think it is wrong (like me). The market will decide what happens next.

i agree that this has been overdiscussed; i'll just add that i couldn't find anywhere claims that:

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the rewards they gave away so far were worth 120 million USD on the day of the ICO (and note that some of them pumped significatly immediately after launch)

the only thing that i found was a mention that the value of the rewards post pump was USD 12 million (not 120) total. if thats the case and IF they participated in all of them and IF they were right and IF they sold when the tokens were at highest (a lot of ifs, if you ask me), 6% of that is USD 720,000. not that high when you think about it, especially when a full code audit in 2017-2018 used to cost around 200k

but as i said, overdiscussed. wings team eta on the new direction / paper / blockchain ? how can i get an invite to review ? i can provide constructive feedback and i promise no leaks

edit - typo

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7  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 21, 2019, 08:06:57 PM
Да все верно, активно ресеарчим этот момент.
8  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 18, 2019, 08:13:56 AM
А сколько вообще было выдано токенов за прогноз по IGT? Нужно ли после регистрации у них на бирже проходит верефикацию для получения токенов?


1% от 1.666.000. Верификация не требуется, нужно лишь зарегистрироваться на сайте биржи.

Верификация требуется, в FAQ черным по белому написано: "Верификация является обязательным условием для торговле на бирже и осуществлении операций по вводу/выводу средств. Без прохождения верификации у Вас будет доступ только в просмотровом режиме ко всем функциям платформы."
https://igt-crypto.net/ru/faq/verifikacia

Выходит чтобы получить свои IGT нужно им свой домашний адрес с документами предъявить.
А как быть тем, кого это не устраивает?

Напишите пожалуйста представителю биржи в телеграме : @Official_IGT
9  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 15, 2019, 07:23:38 AM
Помнится команда обещала дать покликать новое направление проекта ограниченному количеству участников. Когда это будет сделано? Времени уже прошло достаточно много с того момента

Cписок уже составлен, думаю в ближайшее время вышлем.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 15, 2019, 07:21:07 AM
The withdrawal problem was completely unrelated to the delist announcement. What happened is that everyone started unlocking at same time and the backend had to process a lot of transactions, however the backend missed a number of these transactions due to block reogranization on the Ethereum network (https://medium.com/blockvigil/how-we-deal-with-chain-reorganization-at-ethvigil-5a8c06859c7).

The team has started to work on a fix almost instantly after the issue was found and on the next day  a fix was uploaded which allowed the backend to work correctly with the ethereum block reorganization. Just one of the issues you don't know its there until it happens unfortunately.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 08, 2019, 11:42:52 AM
And what about that shady thing with unlocking wings being unavailable at the day of Binance delisting announcement? That was the most shady things here. Was it ever established if it was an inside job or something else and was it ever established how many people lost how much money because of that (what was the scale of it? We need a report) and were they ever refunded (and it so, was the refund sufficient or simply some kind of consolation prize). That lockout was very suspicious and basically killed trust in the project. Still holding though because no point selling at this stage.

There was a bug that has already been fixed.


Well, everyone knows there was a bug but thatís not the real question. Thatís quite convenient that the bug happened when the delisting news was announced. Why some people were able to unlock and some not? How many people were affected ane how much money they lost because of that incident? Were they refunded and if so how much of their losses? What Wings is planning to do to regain the trust after that convenient incident? Was there investigation to prove who was responsible for that and if perhaps it was an inside job and only some insiders were able to withdraw while regular users could not? Couple of big accounts were liquidated on that day while many others were locked, please check on block explorer. I am still holding my wings as an investment but after that incident I would never lock it in your contract knowing that in case of black swan scenario another convenient bug could happen, preventing users from moving the wings out of the contract while some big accounts are selling freely. Give us lists of addresses affected and some explanation and results of your internal investigation.


You can always unlock directly without using ui via smart contract.

Bug was only on ui/backend.
12  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 08, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
А сколько вообще было выдано токенов за прогноз по IGT? Нужно ли после регистрации у них на бирже проходит верефикацию для получения токенов?


1% от 1.666.000. Верификация не требуется, нужно лишь зарегистрироваться на сайте биржи.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 08, 2019, 09:13:34 AM
And what about that shady thing with unlocking wings being unavailable at the day of Binance delisting announcement? That was the most shady things here. Was it ever established if it was an inside job or something else and was it ever established how many people lost how much money because of that (what was the scale of it? We need a report) and were they ever refunded (and it so, was the refund sufficient or simply some kind of consolation prize). That lockout was very suspicious and basically killed trust in the project. Still holding though because no point selling at this stage.

There was a bug that has already been fixed.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 06, 2019, 07:58:45 AM

It is nice to see another reward payout I also received from this prediction. I hope in future more projects will big rewards will join this platform to promotion to reach bigger audience of crypto related.

Thanks for your support!
15  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 03, 2019, 07:39:47 AM

Награда это очень хорошо, есть какие то новости по остальным? Хочется уже получить спокойно за все и ждать вашего нового направления


Как будут - мы сразу сообщим.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: April 01, 2019, 09:23:06 PM
17  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 01, 2019, 09:22:51 PM
18  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: April 01, 2019, 10:16:09 AM
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/sections/200560334-Coin-Removals  проверьте.
19  Local / Токены / Re: [ANN] WINGS - Платформа для прогнозов on: March 28, 2019, 10:46:39 AM
Ваш проект - это платформа, которая будет содержать и добавлять различные децентрализованные проекты и приложения?


Cейчас идет работа над новым направлением, следите за новостями!

Было бы неплохо увидеть баунти программу, придумайте что-то чтобы сообщество вам помогало, это поможет проекту в будущем. Вопрос только что именно придумать вопрос остается открытым


Спасибо за идею, подумаем что можно сделать.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: WINGS ★ Where DAO Unicorns Are Born! ★ Token launched! on: March 28, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Do we need a FR yet? For one of the free forecast, I made a correct forecast and received 0 rating as a reward. Why?

We will have an announcement regarding this soon

My previous question has not yet been answered, but I will ask the next one. Did you pay Binance for a listing or was it free at the time?

No

Of course, they paid, while the wings turned over to binance, the market was booming, and the exchanges asked for the maximum money for the listing, especially binance.
Especially as far as I know, the Wings have no friends on Binance.
I am also interested in the question on the score. If you cancel all the forecasts, the rating will be reset, and suddenly there will still be payments, then how will they be calculated?

If you cancel before the payment you will not get anything
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