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541  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Healthcare in the US is a disaster! Warning: Rant on: November 16, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
Why are you worried about efficiency and value for your money when the system is highly profitable?

Welcome to capitalism.

Thanks Nixon!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Maintenance_Organization_Act_of_1973

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Since President Nixon signed The HMO Act of 1973 into law, healthcare has been a commodity or luxury instead of something all Americans should have. With profit as a motive, significantly less money is spent on actual patient care and treatment decisions are based on balance sheets instead of medical needs.
542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Society's misguided fear of hydrogen; a result of oil corporation? on: November 16, 2018, 01:38:51 AM
Individuals aside, As soon as we have hydrogen for consumer applications, we now have to trust Toyota hydrogen combustion engines, *shudders* Chevy hydrogen combustion engines. Weird chinese off brand $50 leaf blowers hydrogen combustion engines, etc. That's why I think its better to skip hydrogen fuel development research and just stick with a more sure thing. We've been searching for that magic battery for years now, we haven't found it, but battery technology is getting better. I think it'd be cheaper and safer to get closer and closer to that magic battery than to engineer "pretty" safe hydrogen appliances.

I'm not sure anyone's petitioning for hydrogen combustion when hydrogen fuel cell is so much safer. No flame = safer to work with.
543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 16, 2018, 01:00:20 AM

Congrats on learning to source and do your own research. Really, I am actually impressed. Regardless this is 100% designed to distract from the total failure that was the Kavanaugh investigation, real or not.

So, a crazy right wing bomber was a distraction from a political nomination? Alright. I don't know what tin foil you wear, but it must be some high quality stuff Roll Eyes
544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 16, 2018, 12:37:35 AM
You have fun denying reality and shifting those goal posts all over the map with your qualifiers. The left created this division witht he bullshit story over Russian collusion to try to delegitimize the president THE PEOPLE elected, and since then it has been nothing but a violent insane shitfit from the left non-stop. You enjoy your alternate reality though.

Uhh, trump lost the popular vote. This thread is about a right wing extremist sending bombs through the mail to left wing figures that right media attacked day on, day off for years.

It's a pretty obvious link where the violence came from with this guy.
545  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 16, 2018, 12:26:26 AM
So you are saying video of leftists attacking conservatives is "bullshit", but your list of names is proof positive. How about Rand Paul being hospitalized beause of his wingnut leftist neighbor? What about Steve Scalise? All you have to do is put the word "ANTIFA" into Google to see hundreds of examples. You are right, all these years of violence were nothing, and really it is the media whipping up right wing reactionaries, not the leftist violence itself.

Deaths? List of deaths.

I mean, you just "these things exist because I say they do". Provide actual sources, cause the source you provided gave me 3 physical attacks on politicians in a bunch of words.

I gave a pretty decent list of serious attacks by right wing extremist and you've not even provided a decent counter-example.
546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Society's misguided fear of hydrogen; a result of oil corporation? on: November 16, 2018, 12:12:19 AM

I use hydrogen fuel on a weekly basis anyway, and can say from personal experience, that the potential for danger is much higher. There are a lot of reasons why we don't use hydrogen commonly as a fuel now but.

Liquid or compressed? Also, have you ever had a dangerous incident with hydrogen? If so, can you describe how so?

From all the sources I've read, it is dangerous, but you'd be safer working with hydrogen than gasoline in a refinery.

I generate my own hydrogen with water splitting, compress it to a low working pressure, under 2 million Pa, and burn it. I do not store it, I use it as soon as I produce it, for a few reasons. One, I can't store it, hydrogen atoms are small, and they slip through solid objects. Two, while storing any compressed gas is typically not the safest thing, its far more difficult to find hydrogen gas leaks than a more common odorized fuel. If the propane line on your gas stove springs a leak, you smell it and know there is a gas leak. In that case, don't light any open flames, turn off the gas, and get some ventilation going. No big deal. With hydrogen you don't know until its too late.

The issues I've personally come in contact with are burn hazards, and backfire. As I mentioned, burning hydrogen, there is no flame that you can see. If there is a hydrogen fire somewhere, you might not even know if other things around it aren't catching on fire. On that note, I'll mention that you need to wear protective eye wear to protect from radiation. The second one that I've dealt with somewhat frequently is startling, but not dangerous since I don't compress it much, is backfire. I use flashback arrestors in my torch lines, but I've had condensation accumulate in my fuel lines, dampen the arrestors, and then have a little explosion blow the hoses off of my generator a few times.

Now I'm sure there are ways to mitigate backfire with a lot more certainty, but the fact that I have an issue with it, even with safety gear in place is a little alarming. We trust brain dead morons with fueling up their cars at a gas station. I think we'd have a lot more accidents with hydrogen in the hands of the general public.

Ah, so you're doing hobbist hydrogen projects more than anything. I've read stories about low-pressure hydrogen.

The thing with hydrogen leaks is they're only dangerous in enclosed spaces. Hydrogen rapidly dissipates (as it just floats upwards); so leaks aren't really an issue unless there is flame nearby or if it's enclosed.

In some states, we don't allow brain dead morons even to pump their own gasoline...
547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 16, 2018, 12:07:48 AM
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Come on, give me actual incidents. Not just bullshit. I want reported incidents that show links between leftist and violence. Not just people giving the same goddamned "talking" points over and over.

There's a difference between just attacking conservatives and attacking conservatives because the media told you to, but these nuances seem to escape you ever so.

There's a lot of conservative violence on liberals. Tons in fact to the point where it turns into ACTUAL HOMOCIDE.



Oh hey, look actual incidents;

Farzad Fazeli tried stabbing a politician. Ending up not injuring ANYONE and was later captured.

An unknown assailant supposedly sucker punched a politician because his political views.

Umm...

The third attack was a person attacked in the midst of destroying personal property. I mean, if you were to destroy MY personal property, I'd feel aggressive and would probably attack. I mean, I should just call the police, but ya know what, that's kinda a shitty example too, just like your other two.

No deaths, no actual violence, just someone being punched. Sure, it's violence, and the people involved in those incidents should face justice. But no deaths. No serious injury.

As opposed to the right wing:

Literally running people over in crowds.


I like that they threw in that gun shooting incident at the very end, I think a guard was shot in that incident from memory. That guy was pretty loony, but then Las Vegas shooting happened and I kinda forgot all about the poor guard being wounded slightly; cause you know -- all those actual deaths and such.

The only thing "left" wing violence has in common is attacking their individual representatives; normally in a physical assault sort of way. Rarely with lethal, violent weapons unlike the extremist right wing.
548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Society's misguided fear of hydrogen; a result of oil corporation? on: November 15, 2018, 11:42:51 PM
You really need to be listening to people who have worked with hydrogen and stop believing you know something because you googled it. That's literally a way to get killed.

Ahaha, I'm amazed you're able to use a computer without killing yourself Wink

No problem, get a job in a refinery and come back in a year or two and tell us about it.

Fuck dying working with oil. That's how you get killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_and_oil_production_accidents_in_the_United_States

All the deaths.

I actually tried research death for hydrogen and got a french link of accidents dating back to the 1980s:

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Thus, 25 mortal accidents involving hydrogen including 5 French accidents (ARIA 169, 170, 176, 3512 and 7956) are
recorded in the ARIA database and constitute 12 % of the studied sample. These accidents have resulted in 80
deaths including 9 in France.

80 deaths due to hydrogen total.
549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 15, 2018, 11:26:14 PM
So you are saying no one has already produced hundreds of examples of leftist violence directed against conservatives, and your assumptions about what motivated these people is more valid than video of leftists attacking people?

I mean, no one has produced ANY lists of violence from the leftwing American citizens driven by media reporting. Prove me wrong Smiley

However, there's are dozens of examples of right wing violence. It's kinda sad that the right media propagates their hate rhetoric.

As I said, this guy is another name to the violent right-wing list.
550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Society's misguided fear of hydrogen; a result of oil corporation? on: November 15, 2018, 11:19:34 PM
Rather than use the funds on researching and developing new ways to use hydrogen, I don't see why we wouldn't be better off finding new ways to store and use electricity, and then just generate clean energy from solar/wind/geothermal/hydro and call it good.

We've been searching for the "next" super battery for ages. Honestly, the universe kinda already shows that hydrogen's a great fuel (at least for fusion).

Honestly, just because we have shitty catalyst now doesn't mean they we can't hit better energy conversion rates from and to electricity. Ideally, with perfect catalyst, you could convert nearly freely.

Instead of searching for that magic battery, I don't see why we don't search for the magic catalyst instead.


I use hydrogen fuel on a weekly basis anyway, and can say from personal experience, that the potential for danger is much higher. There are a lot of reasons why we don't use hydrogen commonly as a fuel now but.

Liquid or compressed? Also, have you ever had a dangerous incident with hydrogen? If so, can you describe how so?

From all the sources I've read, it is dangerous, but you'd be safer working with hydrogen than gasoline in a refinery.
551  Other / Meta / Re: Can we sue bitcoin.com for plagiarism? on: November 15, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
who cares? If their community is better than your community, maybe you should have made a better community in the first place.

Might as well "sue" bitcoin cash while you're at it.
552  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Solar energy is the future. I want to save my planet!! What about you? on: November 15, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
People live on earth according to the calculations of only 200 thousand years and all until the 19th century was moving on until humanity found oil and gas. Over the next two centuries, and to be precise over the past 50 years, we have so destroyed the balance of nature that even scary to imagine it.
Actually, recently, humans (homo) are around 2.5 million years old, so fuck yeah!

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Over the past 100 years, the population of the planet has increased more than 3 times. Today, 15% of the population consumes 85% of the earth's natural resources.

Woo! America, fuck yeah, bypassing the industrial era in only 100 years! Oh wait, we're "barely" post-industrial era. But still; stone -> iron era took fucking forever

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Agriculture today produces twice as much food than is necessary to feed the entire population of the planet, but the world is still hungry whiter than 2 billion people.

Sounds like a distribution problem. To be fair, certain countries enslave their populations, so it's not like the rest of the world can just distribute food to them.

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Trees-the main source of oxygen on the earth give way to cattle farms and farms, and on the cut down and dried-up sites waste grounds are formed.

Actually, most oxygen is created by ocean lifeforms. These lifeforms are in danger due to the increase in acidity in the ocean waters.

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Every year more than 13 million hectares of forest disappear from the face of the earth. 60% of grain goes to feed livestock and poultry, which are subsequently slaughtered and go to the shelves in the form of meat, which is not eaten in half of the cases.

Cow farts (and other animal farts) contribute to the problem too! Not as much as other industry, but they do contribute.

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Cotton production exceeds the demand of the entire population of the planet and exists through subsidies in developed countries and slave labor with the rest of the world. Most of Africa and Asia work in slave labour to feed themselves and their children.
Yeah, slavery is a problem regardless of capitalism or not.

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To grow flowers requires a huge amount of energy, pesticides and fertilizers.  80% of the grown flowers are in the garbage! For what?
Source?

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The modern trade world requires drainage of rivers, deforestation and environmental pollution.
Human's had canals for many years. If we needed to, we could pump or push water properly. Honestly, we do need to take a look at our garbage processing systems.

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More than 90% of scientific discoveries serve war and trade. Physically, the best minds on the planet are busy destroying nature and it's scary!
That's just false information right there. Rofl.

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The modern world of consumption has become a cancer of the planet and according to experts by 2030, due to global warming, the polar cap of Antarctica may completely disappear. It has declined by 40% in the last 40 years alone.

We can totally reverse the effects of this positive feedback loop by doing nothing. /s

Actually, with radical change, we can. But it seems there's too many deniers out there for radical change.

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All we have to do is stop drilling the earth and learn how to process solar energy, let's rebuild our planet together. What ways do you see to restore our planet?

So, there's a lot of things we can be doing. Solar energy is a great solution, along with wing, hydro and even nuclear. Energy sources that don't emit climate change gases make sense going forward. Hell, they make sense now (economically), but there's so much push back from society regarding it.

Oil corporations still receive subsidizes for no reason. It's crazy to think that these corporations should be allowed to continue to destroy the world that we know in the name of money.

Individuals simply can't profit for something that we will all suffer in the end equally.

That's how business works; privatize the gains, socialize the losses.
553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN on: November 15, 2018, 10:34:06 PM
So you are saying a URL with a list of names on it is a source?

Wait. Can you actually not see the URL? Like is it just removed in your country or something? It's a link to "the" "intercept" ".com". It's in big red text. That's the source of the names. It also goes into a bit of detail for each one. It also includes links to collaborating news stories and the information is echo'd around the entire internet.

Either all this is just "right-wing" violence conspiracy (which doesn't seem possible with the amount of collusion that'd be required) or there are ACTUAL people out there, swept up in RIGHT WING VIOLENT RHETORIC that they literally go out and MURDER people.

That's just wrong man... just wrong.

I don't see violent left-wing agents doing the same thing. I mean, if you provide a list of American citizens killing off individuals in the name of left-wing extremism, please let me know. But as far as I can tell, there really isn't a list.

Luckily, there's a list of right wing extremists to talk about. And this guy was added to that huge list of nut job right wing terrorists.
554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Society's misguided fear of hydrogen; a result of oil corporation? on: November 15, 2018, 10:27:26 PM
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Hydrogen Hazards and Safety
Fire Hazard
Hydrogen is flammable and must be handled with care, just like other flammable substances. In order for hydrogen to ignite, it must be contained and combined with oxygen and an ignition source. If hydrogen is ignited, it burns off very quickly. It is very difficult for the naked eye to detect hydrogen burning, since it burns in the ultraviolet color range.

Burns
In order for hydrogen to turn into a liquid form, it must be cooled to at least minus 423 degrees Fahrenheit. If liquid hydrogen comes into contact with exposed skin, it can cause severe freeze burns. A freeze burn is similar to frostbite. In order to keep hydrogen cooled enough to keep it in a liquid state, it is stored in specialized container that are double-walled and heavily insulated. The chances of the liquid actually escaping and coming into contact with a person's skin are quite small.

Explosion
Hydrogen can explode, but only if it comes into contact with oxygen. Gasoline and propane, which are heavier gases than hydrogen, are more likely to explode. The fumes from each of these tend to stay close to the ground, which increases the likelihood of explosion. One famous explosion and fire associated with hydrogen is the destruction of the Hindenburg in 1937. Hydrogen was used to keep the giant airship in the air. For a number of years, it was thought that the hydrogen was to blame for the fire that broke out as the Hindenburg was coming in for a landing at the Lakehurst Naval Air Station in New Jersey. The entire ship was destroyed by flames in less than one minute.

More recent research has pointed to a different cause for the disaster, however. New evidence has shown that the fabric on the outside of the ship was coated with highly-flammable chemicals that were similar in composition to rocket fuel. An electrical discharge from a storm is now thought to be the true cause of ignition.

The Hindenburg disaster was responsible for the loss of 35 lives. Almost all of these were caused by the people involved jumping from the burning aircraft, as opposed to the fire itself. The hydrogen on board ignited, but the flames would have burned up and away from passengers. The hydrogen fire would have burned off very quickly.

Poisoning
Hydrogen is non-toxic and is not poisonous. Using hydrogen as a fuel source does not create fumes, pollute the atmosphere, or contribute to the global warming that is such a cause for concern today.If appropriate safety measures are taken, hydrogen hazards can be kept to a minimum. There are definite advantages to using hydrogen in industry as opposed to other, more flammable substances like gasoline or propane.

For those fear mongers out there, that's a list of most of the dangers of hydrogen. Let's pull up a couple more.

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This doesn't mean that hydrogen shouldn't be treated with a healthy respect for its dangers, but in practice, these dangers are unlikely to be any greater than those of gasoline. In fact, with its rapid dispersal and tendency to rise, hydrogen could pose less of a threat than the fuels we use now.

There's so much evidence that shows that hydrogen is safe and even possibly safer than our current fuel source.

It's crazy that people believe into the myth that "it's more dangerous than gasoline". I'm sure this myth is propagated by big oil.

If you have any issues with my "previous" sources (literally pulled off random .coms), here one from a .gov:

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/doe_h2_safety.pdf
555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are some people still skeptical about climate change? on: November 15, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
In this context it is very appropriate to demand solid evidence, none of which has yet produced any reliable data suggesting humans are responsible. As you noted the sun cycles are also a factor, and in my opinion THE primary factor, not human contribution to C02 output.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge the evidence doesn't mean it hasn't been presented thoroughly throughout this thread.

Raw data has been presented after you discarded the information compiled by the data.

The data has been sourced from multiple different independent agencies, and institutions.

I don't think there's anything in this world that'll ever convince you of man made climate change.

Pretty much, all climate change deniers have this issue; they refuse to accept the science without justifiable cause or reason.
556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are some people still skeptical about climate change? on: November 15, 2018, 06:58:54 PM
Aside from crazy conspiracy theorists, real skeptics of this would be people who acknowledge there is some climate change happening but it's not because of us. A lot of people simply believe it's a natural process. I don't know too much about it but I definitely don't believe the government or whoever is faking it.

I mean, it's not even a government entity that's reporting climate change. It's a bunch of independent, non-governmental scientists that are reporting it.

The government just follows up on their studies to see if they're legit or not. Honestly, an overwhelming majority of scientists (and data) points towards man-made climate change.

And who funds the organizations that pay them?

Private citizens, normally through tuitions. Sometimes industry. Sometimes government. Funding from all the different sources, but yet it's a massive conspiracy somehow?

This is the same shitty logic used by flat earthers and moon-landing deniers.
557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is school socialization of personality or the breakdown of the psyche? on: November 15, 2018, 06:57:23 PM
Education is usually a direct indicator of outcome.

This claim is false. Being born is usually a direct indicator of outcome. You're better off being born wealthy and be under-educated than being born poor and highly educated.
558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are some people still skeptical about climate change? on: November 15, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
Aside from crazy conspiracy theorists, real skeptics of this would be people who acknowledge there is some climate change happening but it's not because of us. A lot of people simply believe it's a natural process. I don't know too much about it but I definitely don't believe the government or whoever is faking it.

I mean, it's not even a government entity that's reporting climate change. It's a bunch of independent, non-governmental scientists that are reporting it.

The government just follows up on their studies to see if they're legit or not. Honestly, an overwhelming majority of scientists (and data) points towards man-made climate change.
559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #breaking Michael Avenatti arrested (report) on: November 15, 2018, 06:39:58 PM
Luckily, we have a fairly robust justice system, so even when assholes refuse to step down, they'll still be held accountable.

Unfortunately, those assholes are the ones who can nominate and approve federal court judges for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, they won't invoke much more damage on our "robust justice system" before all is said in done. Fortunately, in Avenatti's case, it will be done through the local courts. So the federal courts likely will not get involved.

As far as I'm aware, the GOP lost majority in the senate to approve federal judges now that a GOP senate member has pledged to no longer approve appointing Trump nominations due to the whole Whitaker thing.

I think we're starting to see the collapse of the Republican party on that front.

On this front, it'll be interesting to see who the accuser is and watch their testimony. Hopefully this case doesn't end in a private settlement, but becomes public record for everyone to see.

Until more information is available, all we can do is make wild guesses.
560  Economy / Services / Re: [Merit] Fetch me advertising network information on: November 15, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
No one wants a merit? ugh... damned community refusing to do my dirty work for me.

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