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221  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin Mining Farm in China be Closed? on: September 21, 2017, 04:20:29 AM
Pictures of “Technical Preplan on Blocking Bitcoin overseas Transaction” were circulated in Wechat group and later posted on weibo around 18pm 16 September.
The document describes the preplan of blocking bitcoin exchanges and Bitcoin blockchain data-syncing, along with a list of overseas exchanges. 
The news caused panic sell, a daily low of 16,661 was observed on OKCoin around that time. Chinese Bitcoin community is vulnerable after the “exchange ban”.
Could things get worse like shutting down mining pool in China?
Although the screenshots or pictures cannot be verified without a reliable source, a report on Sina  confirmed the authenticity, citing support from “insiders”.

What do you think?
theres a news about china and i think all transaction like mining will closed,i dont know what will happen to your investment in china but i think its going to closed,try to retrieve now all your invest then try to search legit mining site i recommend eobot 100% trusted for your new investment
222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is changing the world. on: September 21, 2017, 03:57:30 AM
Bitcoin is changing the way we live.
Bitcoin is changing the way we do business.
Bitcoin is changing the way we travel and save our assets.
Bitcoin and blockchain technology has open new doors for people to do business with one another without the intervention of third parties.

What do you make of this, huh? Share with us what you think. thanks Smiley

yes everything will change because of bitcoin like the transaction and to use our own money,bitcoin comprised by any terms to earn and that is why the cycle of money will change little by little by that,me the changes for me is in the past i can't buy any things that i want because im poor only and i dont study in college but now i think i can enroll now to study,i will do everything to secure my future i will do bitcoin job,tricycle driver and my work as merchandiser then i try to study again to continue my school in college
223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: September 17, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
Good afternoon. It is not working yaprai. Sync error appears. Does anyone here find the same thing?
yeah me too i experience it also,like this >>> Error: Wallet Syncing - try again in a minute Right?
224  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: September 16, 2017, 06:08:52 AM
Grow?ok i will do post like plants also,you can plants a bitcoin in trading like invest in some altcoins to earn to grow in plants,trading this is risky but here in bitcoin i really really do earn here always month by month if you know the cycle of any coins here,you can also earn in some campaign you only need to read here thats the key in bitcoin
225  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I quit trading on: September 16, 2017, 05:42:49 AM
Quit in trading is your loss because the chance of income in trading for me is 75%,i always invest like 0.0005 everytime i earn,i add little by little if i earn,for me my experience in trading is really well like now the price go down like 25% and im luck that i invest now the price of bitcoin keep going high little by little
226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Is Your Bitcoin Dream? on: September 15, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
I wanna know all about bitcoin that is my dream,everything like mining,faucet,campaign,gambling,trading and to create thier site also,if i learn this all i would be so happy and i will proud about that doing such a bitcoin in anything to earn and to learn is so big like a dream come true to me,i will never stop reading here that only i have so i will do hardwork here
227  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are We Dead Without China? on: September 15, 2017, 06:46:16 AM
China has become the powerhouse for Bitcoin (and the whole cryptocurrency in general) as it is hosting many Bitcoin miners due to cheaper electricity and maybe also cheap labors. China also boasts of probably millions of Bitcoin owners and traders who are influencing the moves of the market on day to-day basis. As far as acceptance of Bitcoin in China, it is comfortably good until such time when the government decided that it is time to intervene.

In general, the Chinese government is not comfortable with Bitcoin as it indeed representing a different currency that they can not control with. since Bitcoin is decentralized it would be hard for the government to make interventions and so they are thinking that maybe it is time to ban it altogether. The government can not kill Bitcoin but what they are doing is actually closing the country as a market for Bitcoin.

So the question is: Can Bitcoin survive without China? In case, it can't then then there is something wrong with it since it is not resilient to ride the big storm it is in.
China is a big country with a lot of people. They hold 20% Bitcoin. If BTC is banned in China, then this will not affect the market. Only 15% to date BTC depressed.
Do not panic we are sure crypto will not be unstoppable.
yes bitcoin is unstoppable dont think negative this is going be alright,at the month of july this year bitcoin go down by half then after a month also bitcoin go high like 70% so dont panic dont sell you bitcoin now then sell it after bitcoin go high,no one can predict the future here in bitcoin but the conveniece that bitcoin brings is praiseworthy so this is going to be alright
228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BItcoin end or destroy in this month?? on: September 15, 2017, 06:27:39 AM
The hype was so strong that it is not easy to pull these people out the spell of the coin-talk. It gives a trance feeling making them believe that they just discovered some great secret open world that is not visible to others. This is a cult effect. It stops them from thinking or questioning further after they were amazed by a dose of tech stuff and then they look around the table and see that everyone is nodding their heads in trance. You naturally go with the flow. You forget that there is world outside the casino.

People even talk as if the government and taxes are even required. Fooled by the libertarian talk, people forgot to question the relevance of the new currency in the context of real world.

The real concerns are not in the technicalities or robustness of the cryptography or blockchain, but in their applicability to real-world contexts. Most of this hype talk doesn't even look at differences between asset and currency nor the interactions between real-world systems and crypto payments, which is the concern of several governments and banks.

Bitcoin will stay secure, pure, math beauty but will be unlawful for anything related to financial use.

People also buy into silly analogies such as saying that cash has the same regulatory issues and criminal use. This reasoning pushes some more people into trance, with no further thinking.

Remember folks - between government and bitcoin only one will survive. Not both. The script kids who love anonymity and hate any social control, are recruiting and marching huge number of innocent armies of poor blind-folded investors into an already lost battle.

Added to the confusion, there is a good amount pseudo-intellectuals, academics, analysts and celebrities who show off their ability to understand this great stuff. Look at how these great minds spoke of ICOs with such great language and motivational talks. It fell flat with one government banning it. And there is no reason why other governments would allow such stuff. All these great tech minds have gone into hiding now. Ether will disappear and Mr Vitalik will go offline to learn about how real world is different from tech. Not sure he had time to go to college anyway.

The traders are experts in riding the waves of volatility, but the retail investors will be punished for their greed.

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Why bitcoin fails.

Bitcoin is variously compared to currency (similar to dollar) and asset (similar to stocks, gold). There goes the first reason why bitcoin could fail. Lack of target. Currency and assets are entirely different concepts. By being unclear in terms of what it wants to be, bitcoin fails the first test on its usefulness.

What's the big deal? It can be both, eh? Nope. You can't buy groceries using your MSFT stocks, for example, withoout converting your stocks into fiat currency first. Assets are not directly transferable in exchange of other assets or commodities. So bitcoin is not an asset or stock or even commodity.

How about we say that it is a currency, then? Nope, no luck here too. For being a currency such as dollar, it should be possible to enforce limits on the size of the transactions. Fiat cash withdrawls can be limited, and even be tracked becasue banks are involved. Already nations are facing problems due to black money and some governments even implemented demonitization to discourage cash transactions. Bitcoin goes in the opposite direction - facilitating the untracked money movement in large amounts. So, no, it is not a better solution for the role of currency.

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What is a business activity?
A business activity is a multi-party context in which value (goods/services, money) is exchanged according to some rules agreed upon by the parties participating in the business activity. The rules could be very basic ones such as who parts with their value first in an exchange. For example, a rule could say that the consumer pays first and the merchant ships the product/services after receivng the payment. In the context of this rule, there is a trust-related risk involved. Some well-known intermediaries such as amazon, ebay, alibaba reduce this risk for the parties involved, by means of providing some guarantees tied to the reputation of the intermediary.

Removing such intermediaries requires providing similar guarantees and dispute resolution in both ways of the value exchange (goods/services and payments). Certain new payment systems based on crypto technologies seem to claim that they can provide these guarantees. The purpose of this article is to assess how far this claim can be realized.

The real-world part of the business
First, let's look into the real world value transfer, that is, delivery of goods and services. Smart contracts are blind to the real world becasue they need to be run inside a sand-boxed environment and can't pull some information from the real world by themselves. However some real-world entity can feed the information about real-world events. Which basically means that the smart cotracts have to trust these real-world entities for truth, relaibility and availability of such information about real-world happenings.

Those real world truth-tellers which are sometimes called as oracles, would naturally be the well-known trust-worthy, good-old intermediaries, or some trusted roles specific to the business contet, that can make guarantees about the truth in their reports, availability, reliability and cost-effectiveness. These guarantees are direclty linked to the reputaion of the intermediary.

So, we are back to trusting someone from real world for telling a smart contract about the real-world happenings, much the same as the good-old web applications and services.

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But we have IoT
Can IoT change this scenario? IoT is about enabling things to directly send the real-world information to network, and possibly receive commands too. Can the sensor-enabled things play the role of oracles? Only as long as the sensors and identity of the things are accessible and are not tamperd with. Given sufficient value of the goods/things, these tamperings might become risk-worthy for the wrong-doers. Still IoT can't tell if the goods and servicecs are deliverd in good condition or not. The idenity of the goods can't derived from the uniqueness of the goods, similar to hashing of the digital content, making the identities difficult to verify.

The other part of the business - the payments.
Payments can't be seperated from the delivery of goods/services, because rules of the business tie them up together - one depends on the other. This means that payemnts need to be visible to the same intermediary which makes guarantees about the delivery of goods/services. It boils down to keeping the intermediary involved in the both flows of the value exchange. Thus, the first promise of the crypto technologies, that of remiving the intermediaries is broken in the full business context.

But hope is not lost. In the context of payments between the intermediaries and business partners, it might appear that further intermediaries such as banks and credit card companies can be removed. After ruling out other areas, this is the only area remaining for delivering on the big promise of the crypto initiatives. Let's look into this.

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Back to intermediaries in payments
First, we need to understand the role being played by the existing intermediaries in payments. They not only enable transfer of money, but also provide privacy for transactions. Your competitors and general public will not know about your transactions. Also they provide controlled visibility to authorities for regulation purposes.

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Privacy
There are two pieces of information related to privacy in payments - 1) the links between real world identities of the parties involved and their digital identitiies (credit card numbers or crypto addresses), and 2) the details of the transaction itself (amount, timestamp etc).

And there are two kinds of external people related to privacy - 1) the general public that includes business competitors, and 2) the authorities who have responsibility in tackling issues related to AML and funding of illegal activies.

The payments intermediary need to provide guarantees that 1) there is no visibility for general public about your transactions and 2) controlled/limited visibility is provided to authorities on the need basis. This is the requirement of transactions.

But isn't it the same with cash transactins?
For this to be compared to cash payments, which also do not provide visibility to authorities, the single btc transactions should not be running in millions of dollars worth. Even cash paymnets worth that much in a single payment will require to be reported to authorities in any country.

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Bitcoin fails on visibility requirements
While bitcoin network provides the first guarantee (your transactions may be visible but not your identity), it fails miserably on the second guarantee. There is no controlled visibility provided to the authorities.

Thus bitcoin network fails in the second flow of value as well, in being a payment platform that can play well in the state-controlled context.

Then let's use them as stocks or commodities
It fails even here. Stocks and commodities can't be used as currency and that facilitates assessment of profit/loss based on their purchase price and selling price. However btc can be transferred through a payment, making it difficult to assess the earnings.

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Conclusion
So, bitcoin didn't remove the intermediaries or trust-related risk in real-world value exchange and in payments. It has only worsened the situation by not being able to link the transactions with real-world entities. It also has not provided better dispute resolution as smart contracts can't judge the real-world context without depending on inputs from real-world sources.

After ruling out the business transaction space, btc can look into being valuable in vintage/ornamental space such keeping it similar to vintage coins or old postal stamps etc which are in even more limited supply.

the question only is what is your prediction why this is so long,i think no one can predict the future here in bitcoin because its volatile but the best to do now is hold your bitcoin even its going down some speculation is at the end of a year bitcoin will go so high
229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in College??? on: September 15, 2017, 05:15:05 AM
Bitcoin as a course or any related currency on web.
In my country we have multiple courses in computer especially programing and web developments. My course is also information technology, but i've never heard or learn about online currency as bitcoin. In present, and future studies is there any chances for inserting about it in education. In your country is it available?
It would be better for any country to adopt bitcoin in educating new generations. Instead of playing games and wasting money in surfing xxx sites.
spend one month only to learn here to earn bitcoin and altcoin and the course you need here is call center agent info because you can apply that here,the good contructive english post here are wants of a campaign manager,the key here in bitcoin is read always read
230  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: end of genesis mining ? on: September 15, 2017, 01:39:36 AM
4 day in a row no payout .

friends that invest on ETH did not get their payout in the last 4 day.


learn in that situation is dont trust cloud mining but that is not only a legit cloud mining you can do it in eobot to do mining no investment needed all of the cloud mining will be turn in scam but if your smart you dont need an invest to earn like in eobot they gave free doge daily so you can use it to buy hash no invest no lasting repentance
231  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Suggest best selective cloud mining on: September 15, 2017, 01:17:16 AM
I've heard about cloud mining where you can buy contract and mine any currency (scrypt based specially) using any pools.
And can also switch the coin as you want. Please suggest the best among such service.
many of site of cloud mining is turning to scam after a month or a week but i know a site that will really pay you this site is eobot cloud mining no investment and they have free doge a day to buy hash 100% trusted and legit,deposit is option to buy hash to withdraw fast but you can do wait to withdraw but not fast,now i monitoring cryptodaily if this is legit and i also searching some more info about it
232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New investor...Bought into market recently when bitcoin was $4600 on: September 15, 2017, 12:50:27 AM
This sucks. Did not see all this big bank propaganda coming, and when you mix it in with the chinese tyrannical govt its a recipe for disaster. I didnt buy for alot but im just glad i diversified my investment into other coins as well. Hoping things turn around. As you guys say... HODL!
this bitcoin drop is negative but this is also a positive in terms of trading because of this you can buy low now im sure this is going so high at the end of this year,if some chinese doing a disaster now im sure some people also doing some thing to back the higher price of bitcoin
233  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Is Bitcoin's Value So Volatile? on: September 14, 2017, 12:28:40 PM
Why Is Bitcoin's Value So Volatile? I am confused to buy bitcoin now when it's value is too high.

if theres so many people investing here in bitcoin or also promote some campaign here they will going to buy bitcoin that is why bitcoin going high or down(volatile) this is not only the answer because in transaction also here they will going to create a movement to sell and buy thats why its volatile
234  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think billionaires invest in BTC? on: September 14, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
I just always wonder if those billionaires still invest in btc. Do they even know btc exist?
i dont think they will do invest here like that money but i know in railblocks community they give a giveaway like a million in 1 week and its running now a year i think theres a good people behind that give away and he dont know where to keep his/her money to give it to others like that
235  Economy / Economics / Re: Can bitcoin improve the economy of a country? on: September 14, 2017, 11:41:21 AM

Today many countries accept bitcoin as a virtual currency, is it because bitcoin is so high that they think bitcoin can change the country's economy, or because the country has many bitcoin users already?
if theres a money involve in earning of country like bitcoin i think yes the economy will change because of the money,in this world money is everything like life of a person,some of country already know bitcoin but not all,i think in the future of bitcoin this will go so popular in different country because of the conveniece here
236  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin falling again on: September 14, 2017, 06:19:46 AM
OMG, Bitcoin falling again, current price = 3866USD.
What happen? we losing money every hours. Need exchange BTC to fiat?
Who can explain this situation?

this is like in the month of july this year bitcoin go down 50% but after a weeks or a month bitcoin go so high like 65% dont scared this is going right in no time so the best now to do is to invest because im sure this is the time to risk and chance to earn is 70% based on speculation(and me)
237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: THE FALL IN THE PRICE OF THE CURRENT COIN on: September 14, 2017, 05:43:06 AM
Now all the coins have decreased in volume and price
and I'm losing my coins, how long does this coin go down ? or next week will go up ?
Please answer my question because this very important for me and you guys  Wink
dont be scared because this is the cycle only,in the month of july this year the price of bitcoin and altcoins drop like 50% but after a month also the bitcoin and others coins go really high like 65% and im luck in that time because i invest in bitcoin,think positive if you here in bitcoin world
238  Other / Off-topic / Re: Job Vs Bitcoin on: September 14, 2017, 05:26:43 AM
Quit in job is not the answer to get rich here in bitcoin because i think you can do that both at the same time and to secure your future,the price of bitcoin is volatile so dont rely here,me i build business in real world coming the earning here in bitcoin and my job also to secure my good future
239  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it too late to buy bitcoin? on: September 14, 2017, 05:02:45 AM
It's not about buying too late, it's about selling too early.
Buy and hold. Longterm. 10+ years.
We will become old for a 10 years of time. What you could do on holding this bitcoins for years. 2 to 3 years means its a long journey but 10 years is too long, however we can withdraw some cash monthly if we have large funds in bitcoin.
you can invest like 10 years for long term and we have to wait so long time also but i think bitcoin is going so high at the end of a year and you dont have to wait like 10 years here because the value or price of bitcoin is going so high little by little and month by month,i think is good to invest here in bitcoin and its not too late
240  Economy / Services / Re: NOTARY Platform Sig and Avatar Campaign(FULL) on: September 13, 2017, 11:19:07 AM
Sir yahoo im christian07 of second notary campaign i have a problem in my eth wallet because i register in a scam site or phising site to create my eth wallet,this is my first time so i didnt know that,my friends say to me that is a phising site,this is my new eth wallet address 0x760b2038BB5e896764D139163ceF642b9A79001D please help me!!!,im so sorry please help me!!!
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