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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 10, 2018, 08:21:26 AM
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[5] That's all fine, but not allowing him a second chance[1] is not how I would operate. I don't agree with witch hunts and persecution crusades. This community should be about building each other up, not waiting for the opportunity to knock each other down[2]. I understand I am not the consensus, but as you said, I am free to state my opinion.
[1] Who has denied him anything, he can still go ahead and do what he wants? He should obviously follow the guidelines you laid down. [2] I think this is again a very blanket statement and how is anyone knocked out, he can continue, just like Jamal does. -snip-
Regardless what the individual has done,
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That's a very HARD BLANKET STATEMENT, what if your friend rapes your pop/mom/brother/sister/cat?  |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 10, 2018, 08:08:31 AM
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Think of this simple analogy. Presumably Lauda and aTriz were friends before this incidence, would you expect a friend to participate in the firing squad once a sentence is laid down? I certainly wouldn't.
I would gladly testify and if ordered to punish, would do so; I don't continue friendships with liars and cheats. What's the guarantee that the liar won't fuck my cat behind my back? He/She has lost my trust, I'd ask the individual to Fuck Off. I can't imagine you have many friends then- , everybody lies[1], you must be the second coming of Jesus[2] to be such a pure specimen.
Regardless what the individual has done, it is of my personal opinion[3] that friends should not form part of the firing squad, simple as that. There is an entire community here, hundreds of thousands of people who can lay down judgement, asking Lauda to do it is wrong[4]. I don't blame Lauda, obviously she was backed into a corner and it became her rep or his, but this situation[5] isn't beneficial for anybody.
[1] Talk about yourself, quoting you for future reference so that people know that you believe everyone including you to be a liar. As I can't judge others, you for one are certainly a liar and not me. [2] Therein lies your problem mate, if you believe that there was ever a Jesus or God. There might be an individual by that name, but certainly no Son of the God shit. [3] You are more than welcome to have personal opinions. [4] So in your opinion Lauda did a wrong thing by negging Atriz? [5] It is; for future investors who'll deal with Atriz handled ICOs', they'll be aware of his antics and marketing morals. - I have like-minded friends, it's not that difficult not to lie; Try it.
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Regardless what the individual has done,
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That's a very HARD BLANKET STATEMENT, what if your friend rapes your pop/mom/brother/sister/cat? |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 10, 2018, 07:53:33 AM
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Think of this simple analogy. Presumably Lauda and aTriz were friends before this incidence, would you expect a friend to participate in the firing squad once a sentence is laid down? I certainly wouldn't.
I know they have a responsibility here, but there are dozens of DT members, nobody reasonable should expect Lauda to neg aTriz in these circumstances.
You are wasting your time arguing with butthurt scammers[1], account farmers and the remainder or the biased witch hunters. At the time when I still didn't neg. rate aTriz, they were complaining and calling ma a hypocrite. When I do neg. rate aTriz, they still complain because[2].. reasons. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'd like to offer the esteemed upright Lord Lauda the post of the ArchBishop of The Church of Ponzian Mind for being non-deceitful and negging Atriz after it was quite apparent that he was colluding in a fraud. [1] Does that include Atriz? [2] I dunno about others, but seriously you and The Pharmacist have done the right thing, even though I assume you are great chums with Atriz. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 10, 2018, 07:45:14 AM
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Think of this simple analogy. Presumably Lauda and aTriz were friends before this incidence, would you expect a friend to participate in the firing squad once a sentence is laid down? I certainly wouldn't.
I would gladly testify and if ordered to punish, would do so; I don't continue friendships with liars and cheats. What's the guarantee that the liar won't fuck my cat behind my back? He/She has lost my trust, I'd ask the individual to Fuck Off. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 09, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
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[3] Call them out, call them out, call them out.
[7] As I have already asked you, HOW ?
I have already responded with how I think he could make this right; 1. Instituting new vetting measures for ICOs to ensure this never happens again, and maintaining a better standard of transparency in his ANN/Bounties, adequately highlighting that he does not endorse the product, and is merely acting as a representative. 2. Reimbursing those that were directly afflicted by his mistake, this might not happen instantly of course, but as long as he shows he is committed to do so. 3. Listen to community feedback regarding sketchy behavior, and respond to criticism if he possesses knowledge that would shed light on the matter. I'm Sorry for having overlooked these. I think the point 1 will eliminate the need for points 2 and 3; also is that not what GOOD, TRUSTED and EXPERIENCED BMs are supposed to do? What separates them from any Tom, Dick and Harry who are handling Campaigns? As for calling out ICOs with shady tactics (most of them), few of them would ever announce they are engaged in these activities, so it is not possible to call them out.
All the more reason for the BMs to act quick, when one ICO actually demands them to engage in Scammy attitude; so that it deters other ICOs from acting in a similar manner. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 09, 2018, 08:21:45 PM
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Just because a person makes a bad decision, does not make them intrinsically bad, or even a scammer for that matter. [1]
-sni-
Wouldn't it have been more logical to tell aTriz how to make this right, rather than going this route?[9]
[1] This applies to hundreds of others who have been negged for one single issue and will never be given a second chance. P.S. Did @snakey get his investment back? P.P.S. Are there other claimants as well?
It's understandable what you mean here but looking at past I don't think there were enough members:-
1. Who were frankly telling about the company and revealing the marketing strategy to the community even when it could put them in danger.
2. Who were paying back their loans when they were negged.
3. Who tried to resolve the accusation against them rather than making a nuisance out of it.
To deserve the 2nd chance. I can give several examples but I think you are smart enough to figure out those from the way you talk. Everyone does mistakes and after having several deals with atriz on and off forum regarding loans and a few other things I don't think he had any bad intention in his mind he just didn't paid any attention. As we know atriz admitted that they hardly collected more than 1 BTC so if Atriz can pay for the loss Caused by Bitbliss to the guy in the video and promise to be careful in future regarding managing bounties/sign campaigns for the companies like this one then he must be given a second chance. Would like to see how many agree with me. Sorry if this will sound rude STOP CONFUSING BITBLISSCOIN AND CHRYSOSCOIN-snip-
Hmm, I see your point there. But when it comes to marketing, most ICOs employ tactics that could be considered shady, e.g. Artificially increasing hype in their ANN thread[1], incentivising positive reviews[2], buying telegram members and activity[3], all of this under the guise of guerilla marketing. It must be difficult to draw the line in what is acceptable[4], and what isn't when the entire ecosystem is built upon shady marketing ethics. I am not saying aTriz was right, obviously he's a complete moron for not ditching Bitblisscoin when the evidence [5] started mounting, I'm just pointing out that it's an easy mistake[6] to make, and one I'm sure he would rectify if given the chance[7].
[1] Against forum rules, @mprep usually thrashes those threads and has even temp banned the OP. [2] Again a Scammy attribute, call them out. [3] Call them out. [4] It's quite easy unless someone you like or love gets caught in between. For me, a single lie does it, unless the circumstances change. [5] In his own words, he was somehow forced to lie, I wonder how? [6] That's just your opinion and not a fact. [7] As I have already asked you, HOW ? -snip-
[9] This is a totally rational route to take, people who will deal with this account in the future should know what he has done in the past and as members have rightly pointed out that Atriz has stopped responding to these and has not even tendered an apology (not that it should change his neg), he simply wants to ignore it and move ahead, also what would you suggest to make it right?
-- P.S. A number of people have been commenting without reading all the facts of the matter and have their own predisposed notions. Get rid of them and grasp the facts. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 09, 2018, 07:25:32 PM
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Just because a person makes a bad decision, does not make them intrinsically bad, or even a scammer for that matter. [1]
Yes aTriz made a mistake[2] by continuing to manage a campaign when he knew there was some shady business going on[3], but just this information, in and of itself is not necessary evidence of a scam[4], at best this could simply be evidence of shady marketing tactics. To discount the dozens of other campaigns he has run successfully, and his attempts to make this right by personally refunding snakey shows that he is at least worthy of a second chance[5].
It's funny how quick to turn people are[6], yes aTriz was wrong to promote an ICO with the knowledge he had, but at that point nobody knew if the ICO was a scam[7]. The fact is aTriz is no longer managing the campaign once it came to light[8] indicates that he had no intention of promoting a proven scam, prior to this, it wasn't proven, so why is he being negged to death?
Wouldn't it have been more logical to tell aTriz how to make this right, rather than going this route?[9]
[1] This applies to hundreds of others who have been negged for one single issue and will never be given a second chance. [2] I really like to see flexible excuses. [3] Not just was he aware of it, he actively participated in it. [4] How many scams does qualify one to be labelled as a scammer? Ans. 1[5] Did he make the offer upfront or after being publicly accused of it? I believe he would have done nothing had he not been called out for it. Also I think (might be wrong) @snakey was in Chrysoscoin and this is Bitblisscoin. If you consider Chrysoscoin to a scam in which Atriz was complicit, this makes his 2nd scam. [6] Who turned on him? Are you hinting at those who changed their ratings?  [7] He definitely knew that they were lying and that he was complicit, accessory to it. [8] WRONG AND GROSS MISREPRESENTATION; Atriz stopped managing it after he was called out for it and admitted to going along with the lies; it wasn't like he stopped the campaign the day he was asked to lie. [9] This is a totally rational route to take, people who will deal with this account in the future should know what he has done in the past and as members have rightly pointed out that Atriz has stopped responding to these and has not even tendered an apology (not that it should change his neg), he simply wants to ignore it and move ahead, also what would you suggest to make it right? P.S. Did @snakey get his investment back? P.P.S. Are there other claimants as well? |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 09, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
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Seriously, what were you drinking Atriz, truth syrup or what? Self admitting your dishonesty. Feeling so bad for you.[1] If you hadn't admitted, you would have never been tagged.[2] And if you were really in confusion[3], you should have taken some advice from Lauda. She would have certainly advised you to exit[4], rather than drag on. You will now be remembered as the Naivest Red Painted Elite (NRPE).
Between, I think quick popularity is somewhat of a curse on Bitcointalk[5]. Alia, Atriz became quickly popular and quickly faded. Nullius, stay safe bruh...[6]
[1] Feeling bad for his dishonesty or the fact that he had to admit to it? [2] Wouldn't have changed the fact that he's a scamster. [3] Clearly he wasn't. [4] Pure Speculation. I believe none of you would have expected this of him, till this turned up. [5] Wrong premise; having double standards and acting like an upright self-conscious prick and being popular for calling out others is a curse and should be. [6] Huh, really? Are they being mugged or threatened? The only thing that we need to be safe from is our greed and warped sense of reality. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite
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on: April 08, 2018, 01:05:15 PM
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Lauda is not even[1] connected to bitbliss as it was solely managed by Atriz and when it comes to Atriz I believe he was tricked by them. No way he's going to risk his reputation here for just a few thousand $.
Read Atriz's comments and his trust ratings; he did risk and for many people, lost his reputation for just a few thousand $. [1]Apparently so. |
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Other / Meta / Re: Thin (!) strategy to earn more Merit - Drama Queen (aka alia) busted Finally!!!
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on: April 07, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
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You've done nothing wrong, but it appears that you don't have a coterie, so merit will take it's own time; also don't slip up carelessly; people out here are far too jealous to digest an objective honest review. They'll neg you without thinking twice and then call you all sorts of name to avoid reasonable arguments, while they wouldn't even criticize far worse actions by people who are in their pack. Remember, probity is the best wisdom, but it rarely does the individual any good. |
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Other / Meta / Re: Bad language, can we make it a better place?
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on: April 07, 2018, 05:11:49 PM
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Or far bigger problems that need to be solved here.
Agreed. Signature managers paying trolls and farmed accounts to spam while they try to pass the blame to the end users is a much bigger issue. Although you have to wonder what type of advertiser would pay users who use language like that to represent them... It's a red flag to me. We can add to that trusted and experienced Campaign Managers being forced to go along in scammy ICOs. |
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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MEGATRON - SCAM PROJECT + BUMPING (with proof)
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on: April 07, 2018, 08:05:44 AM
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Hi,I think OP has provided good evidence for me to lock the threads I posted on their behalf.I have asked Megatron team to reply to this scam accusation in next 24 hours.If they fail to do so,I will delete their thread
Good move... But I had warned you on day 1... What took you so long? Warning is one thing and providing evidence is another.You didn't sent me any proof to support your accusations So even after my warning did u try to investigate or you simply did not bother? |
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Economy / Services / Re: 🔥 ALU Services - Campaign/Community Management, Escrow & Design 🔥
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on: April 06, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
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Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.
Atriz suspended from ALU service? who will continue his work, he opened many campaign threads, also i guess he manage bounty spreadsheets.. how will this affect the future of running campaigns? Don't jump to conclusions, all will be resolved by the trusted and experienced team. |
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