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21  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is miningunited.com a SCAM, turning .1 bitcoins into .137 for almost free? on: May 04, 2013, 06:23:55 PM
The way he hopes his 'business plan' will work is this ...

1. Actually pay out his marginal premiums to people who send him money - AT FIRST
2. As more people sign on, he can continue to do this, especially if Bitcoins rise in value - FOR A WHILE
3. Run away when he can no longer pay out OR earlier - THE END

In reality, he will probably go to prison for running a Ponzi Scheme. Either way, those who send him money lose.

If you do intend on sending this scammer money, at least make sure you get his real identity. It's hidden. Also, once you have that, make sure his business is properly licensed and complies with all laws. He's already stated he doesn't pay taxes. Therefore, who knows when his assets will be seized. Assuming he actually built up anything with this ANONYMOUS PONZI SCHEME SCAM.

Since Ponzi Schemes are illegal, he is already in violation of federal law. Have fun in prison.
22  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is miningunited.com a SCAM, turning .1 bitcoins into .137 for almost free? on: May 04, 2013, 06:19:29 PM
Please provide your evidence for such a slandering claim.

For a statement to be slander or defamation, it must be UNTRUE. As a supposed lawyer (one who says taxes are illegal, urmph Shocked), I'd think you'd know this.. but, oh well.

Anyone with any common sense knows your site is a scam. Please provide your real contact information, since you are using DomainsByProxy to protect your WHOIS information for the domain.

Or, better yet, I'll give you my contact info, and you can sue me (I'd clean house in the counter-suit).
23  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is miningunited.com a SCAM, turning .1 bitcoins into .137 for almost free? on: May 04, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
It's obviously a scam. I mean, really, send Bitcoins to some random address and get more back (explanations aren't needed beyond that). Oh, ok. Sure. That's totally legit, lol. There's a sucker born every minute.

Also, the owner is here, see above. Sickening. It's people like him that give Bitcoin a bad name.

And, naturally, he hides his WHOIS information. Why don't you give your real identify MiningUnited? That is a pre-requisite to honest business.
24  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 06:13:12 PM
Or maybe it's the threat of violence when you're out of arguments that makes you all so cuddly.

Except in your privileged fantasy world, it's not actually a threat, it's a reality. That's what happens when it is every man for themselves. You'll learn this, sooner or later.
25  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 06:09:08 PM
It's their squinty little eyes when they're yelling "COMPLY!" that makes them so adorable.

I can't wait until a gang comes and takes your Bitcoin, and rapes your bunghole in your anarchist fantasy world. No government to turn to, and guess what - you're outnumbered!
26  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 06:05:53 PM
Make others suffer just because you have, why?

I proposed a temporary bit of suffering so you understand the real and sustained suffering of the masses that are not born privileged, and thus have some sort of humanity in your bones, instead of 'I'm inherently superior to everyone else because I was born into wealth'.

Anyway, one of government's original functions is to protect the rich from the poor. Likewise, they protect the poor from the rich. There are many more poor people though, so check the French Revolution for an example of what happens to the rich during a revolution.
27  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:49:36 PM
I'm not, because I don't need the government to provide me anything.

Just saw this. Hilarious! I guess he went (or goes) to a private school, has never driven on a road, and doesn't need the police and justice system to protect him from murderers. And he certainly can't imagine why everyone else isn't born rich too!
28  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
You know bitcoin is going mainstream when imprudent socialist kids have arrived to discuss how bitcoin shouldn't be used for tax avoidance. Got to love it.

Wow, too bad you don't know the definition of socialism. People like you are a barrier to adoption by the mainstream. I am now thinking that maybe every teenager should be forced to live on the streets, in poverty, for one year of the life, to understand why we've developed the society we have. We didn't do it 'just because'. It evolved, over time, as a solution to the problems of society. Read some history.
29  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
Out of curiosity, why are you on a Bitcoin forum if you have more faith in government than in technology?

Did I say that? I never said that. And Bitcoin is not anti-government. I'm interested only in technology.

Just because government doesn't always get things right doesn't mean we should abandon all attempts at trying. There's nobody else to do the things that government does. Bitcoin doesn't, in any way shape or form, replace the essential functions of government. If you weren't so privileged, perhaps you'd realize how essential government is to empowering people to lift their lives and communities out of poverty, as opposed to selling their children into child labor and condemning their entire line of descendants into slavery. Public education, for instance, has enabled opportunities for the lower classes to rise - so that, you know, people don't get hopelessly trapped at the low end of society.

But, I suppose you'd have to be there, once in your life, to understand. And, no, you are no so inherently superior to everyone else that you - too - can not be thrown into poverty and your children condemned to a life of a little to no opportunity (what happens when they aren't provided education, and instead put to work at age 10).

If you guys don't pay your taxes, you'll see what I mean eventually.

Trying to equate Bitcoin with any sort of political philosophy, or any technology with any political philosophy, is a huge farce.
30  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:32:16 PM
Perhaps when you grow up you'll realize that human ingenuity is more powerful than the force and fraud of government. Example: Bitcoin.

Same old nonsensical libertarian catch phrases. True libertarians must get awful annoyed with you people.
31  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:31:08 PM
Oh ok, unfortunaly I have not gotten around to read that book yet, but it's on my todo list Smiley

And here I'm reminded that I'm speaking with a bunch of teenagers, gotta remember to keep things in perspective. You people don't even know what the real world is like. Maybe, someday, when you move out of your parent's house, you'll realize the truths about society.
32  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
Whatever man, you can tax my brainwallet when you pry it from my cold dead neurons. I'm out of here.

You'll never own anything until (for long) until you comply with tax laws. Glad to know you're too good for taxes though. Everyone else is just a bunch of 'sheep' or 'slaves', clearly not as special as you.
33  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:24:50 PM
Governments don't provide anything: they take from peaceful people using violent force, by definition. An organisation which does not do this is not a government, and any incoming payments it takes are not taxes.
Government is force by another name and taxation is robbery with violence by another name.

Crazy. I think I'm done. No arguing with you folks. Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that government provides essential functions that no other entity can, or will, provide, creates and enforces the law, defends the country, and protects the rights of citizens, particularly minorities who would otherwise be at the mercy of the majority.
34  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
...

So, anti-slaves, you may continue to whine and scream all you want, but, guess what? Everyone thinks you're insane, and you'll most likely get what's coming to you, sooner or later (may be years).


I'm sorry, I don't really understand your reply. Are you saying taxes are like slavery and as such people shouldn't pay taxes and should try and rebel against it even if others think they should?

If so your quite delusional if you think your government will be able to provide you everything without you paying a money. For example if you live in the US, if the US had no army whatsoever, and no justice system there would be many problems that would make our society much less safer than it currently is.

I have no idea what he's talking about either. It's clearly an inverted version of my original post, but inversion doesn't result in any sort of logic. Mostly, these people just don't want to pay taxes, and will rationalize their non-compliance using whatever flimsy arguments they can manage to compose. They must be young, privileged, and naive, as they definitely don't realize what can and will happen to those who break the law. These arguments might be fine on a message board, but won't go *anywhere* in court!

I suppose the 'attorney' who claims that taxes are illegal sums it all up. Anyone can Google the legal precedents for themselves and - from that - derive the sanity of these people.
35  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Suing MtGox for $75m is a dick move. on: May 04, 2013, 05:12:39 PM
I am sure every single original BitCoin user had this in the back of their mind.

There are those who are interested in more than profit. Not everything is profit (hate to tell you). There is more to life. Who knew, right?

Many are interested in the design of Bitcoin and its positive attributes as a potential currency. These type of people find reward in intellectual exercises, not simply profit.
36  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:02:38 PM
I like your point OP, sadly this community is full of a lot of crazies right now and this type of thread just attracts them.

Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. There are indeed some real nuts in the Bitcoin community, and it drives me insane. I just wanted at least ONE response here that had some basis in reality, and you've given me that. Now I know not EVERYONE here is delusional.
37  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 04:53:38 PM
State is not that necessary in the modern world. It was usefull, but no more. I will not pay my taxes for shit...

Are you that confused? State is the collective. Without government, we'd have smog in the air, dirty water, pay-to-use parks, child labor, slavery, unsafe food.. Oh, and private armies constantly at war with each other.

Not to mention the fact that laws would be up to vigilante justice. In other words, I could come shoot you if your music was loud, rape your wife, etc... But, I suppose the rule of law and due process aren't important, just let everyone start killing each other like in the dark ages.

Good idea!
38  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: Featherlite
First of all.... I am a Constitutional Attorney and I can tell you this" TAXES ARE ILLEGAL!"
I.R.S. is a collection agency for the FEDERAL reserve which needs to get TF out of my country!

You must be one bad attorney! The courts have ruled, over and over again, on the constitutionality of taxation. Do any basic research, but I suppose you don't believe in research, preferring to just make up your own facts in the delusional reality in which you live.

If you think you can get away with evading taxes indefinitely, maybe you should take a look at what happened to the gazillion tax protesters who came before you. They are all deeply in debt, in prison, or otherwise 'spanked' in the hardest way imaginable. I don't think it's until people go to prison that they realize the government, representing the will of the people, has true power. Your flimsy arguments won't hold any water in court... they never have.

I suppose my largest objection is people thinking they are somehow 'better', 'different', or 'exempt'.

THANK YOU for making my point!
39  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Suing MtGox for $75m is a dick move. on: May 04, 2013, 03:55:45 PM
I bet that they made a lot of money by selling their bitcoins before the lawsuit was published and then buying them back at the bottom.

Cynical, but maybe true. Actions like that are another reason that the exchanges need to be properly regulated. There's a reason all traditional markets are regulated; and it's not 'just because'. Regulations were in response to people abusing, defrauding, and manipulating the markets. Since humans aren't saints, you have to have reasonable 'laws' to ensure fair play.

As for the lawsuit, Coinlab should have just terminated their contract with Mt.Gox and started soliciting customers on their own. I don't see why they wouldn't do this. There are enough people either disillusioned with Mt.Gox or wanting to operate with an exchange in North America that I'm sure they'd succeed. For THIS reason, I am a little skeptical. It's almost as if CoinLab is more interested in milking Mt.Gox out of money than building their own profitable exchange.
40  Other / Beginners & Help / Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 03:40:23 PM
As I read through posts here, I see numerous people railing against taxes. However people feel about taxes (nobody likes them), it is the obligation of all citizens to do their best to comply with the law and pay their taxes. You MUST pay capital gains tax if you profit from Bitcoin. Period.

Apparently these tax evaders believe that because they personally have some moral objection to taxes, they can stiff the government while everyone else pays their fair share. I've seen posts here calling those who do properly pay there taxes 'sheep', etc... Well, complying with the law doesn't make one a sheep, it makes them a responsible citizen. If you want to change the law, then you are welcome to fight for those changes in a democracy.

While anyone with any reason knows this, here are the facts:

  • Taxes have existed throughout the history of all civilizations. That's just how society works.
  • Everyone has to pay taxes, whether you like it or not.
  • Capital gains (profits on Bitcoin) must be reported and tax paid, by law.
  • Tax protesters and evaders who associate Bitcoin with a method of tax evasion may very well be its downfall.
  • If you cheat on your taxes, but I and everyone else pays, it kind of pisses me off - and the same is true for the majority of people who honestly comply. Nobody likes a tax evader.

So, tax protesters, you may continue to whine and scream all you want, but, guess what? Everyone thinks you're insane, and you'll most likely get what's coming to you, sooner or later (may be years).

I strongly suggest that these people be put in their place. Tax evasion and Bitcoin should not be interlinked.
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