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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: January 29, 2024, 05:41:06 PM
Hello to all,

I have found myself in the same situation just now, as a lot of you. I did swap from BTC to usdt 5k$ 2 weeks ago and it is in “pending” still. After conversation with exodus a week ago they told me N.Exchange is their third party provider for that, so I contacted their support. After a week of waiting they replied that I must follow kyc procedure and prove source of funds in order to release this transaction.

I just responded that they blocked my transaction without any info 2 weeks ago and that this is unacceptable, and that I want my BTC back to my exodus wallet.

Now reading the comments I am aware that probably they will not give me my BTC back just like that.

Should I follow whole kyc and source of funds procedure? I am not comfortable giving my full identity and source of incomes to some shady company…

I am open to any suggestions and I am angry on myself for not reading terms about 3rd party provider, but I was doing swapa for last 3 years without issues and I thought the whole time Exodus is doing this part by themselves.


I'm sorry for the late reply
Given the reputation of the Exodus, I would certainly advise you to find a nominee so as not to disclose yourself to such an unscrupulous company.

And btw, after that incident, I changed my approach in general.
Now I either use DEX or centralized exchanges, but only under the nominal personality.
To "rent" a nominee I can advise AlexPCS https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244746.0 he is trusted  Kiss
Sharing your personal data with a centralized exchange will bring you one day a big problem in the ass, it is always just a question of time.


2  Economy / Services / Re: Anonymous crypto loadable bitcoin debit card - No KYC - Private Card Services on: June 30, 2023, 04:43:29 PM
The problem has been fully resolved, I do not have any claims against the service. Hereby I also apologize for all the false accusations which I have made against the PCS service

Good to hear that the issue has been resolved and everyone is happy
PEACE and TRUST to everyone
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: April 25, 2023, 04:41:33 PM
I don't know how much you care about your personal security, but if I were you, I would create all new documents you used for KYC, and request deletion from their database.

This is a great idea, I have ordered yesterday my new id document reporting my current one as lost. THANKS Lucius

As a supporting documentation they wanted me to show bitcoin purchase contracts with personal details and IDs of counter parties, can you imagine?
Big THANKS goes to Alex from PCS who provided me the nominees who acted as my counter parties.
I am surprised this actually worked, but did you work previously with Alex PCS and who gave you idea to try this?

Sure, I have purchased a binance account with a card under his nominee a while ago. When Binance asked for re-verification he solved that quickly and efficiently.
That made me think he might be helpful in rescuing my bitcoins and I was right.

Thanks again to every one who helped me - KEEP CALM and USE DEX
4  Economy / Services / Re: Anonymous crypto loadable bitcoin debit card - No KYC - Private Card Services on: April 20, 2023, 03:20:39 PM
I will not tell a lot.
My full story is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5444187
Alex provided me with a really unique service, THANKS
5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: April 20, 2023, 03:16:35 PM
Thank you everyone who supported me here and in private.
Finally after 51 (fifty one!!!) days I got my 2.7 btc back.

n.exchange/en/order/OD0IG9
n.exchange/en/order/O5KDMH

In blockchain:



During the correspondence they said that transaction that had brought bitcoins to my wallet ( that took place 2 and 6 months ago) had 2% bad score. Nutz.
And at the end they released the funds and send it back to me thus admitting that their analytic tool was not correct.

As a supporting documentation they wanted me to show bitcoin purchase contracts with personal details and IDs of counter parties, can you imagine?
Big THANKS goes to Alex from PCS who provided me the nominees who acted as my counter parties.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244746.0   
For sure my real counterparts refused to cooperate and reveal themselves to the NExchange ( who the hell is N.Exchange Huh )

After the game is over I can confirm once again n.exchange (led by Belousov Oleg) in cooperation with  Exodus make it their business model - lock the funds in swaps and require unfulfillable AML/KYC conditions. Exodus being an old company cooperates with n.exchange do do this dirty job with their hands.


6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: March 13, 2023, 02:23:57 PM
Post in r/ExodusWallet (https://www.reddit.com/r/ExodusWallet/). Someone went thru the same thing and was able to get a refund, see: https://www.reddit.com/r/ExodusWallet/comments/xjzl4u/update_of_the_story_about_the_swap_in_the_exodus/
Good to see that someone who went through exactly the same thing managed to get their money out.

When you check this nexchange a little bit more, it's unbelievable that Exodus is using them. Even BestChange advised against using them, but for Exodus that's not a problem at all. It tells you all that you have to know about that shitty wallet and how much they care about their users.



Exactly.
This makes me think that this is a common business of Exodus and Nexchange of Oleg Belousov
There are so much Nexchange scam reports on public, how Exodus could add them for swaps? How they could complete their due diligence? Why Exodus has the same accusation 3 ears ago with a coinswitch? Why they refuse to help me now when the facts clearly say that I am being robbed by N.Exchange?
I lost my trust in Exodus. I believe they had bad intention making a partnership with N.Exchange.
7  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: March 13, 2023, 02:15:16 PM
I have been using Exodus wallet for years to receive and to send crypto.

Before to make a swap Exodus tells you that operation is going to be performed by some 3d party but they do not let you accept some 3d party terms and they do not name directly exchange which will perform the operation:

In fact, these swaps are made by http://n.exchange/
Have you done your research on this third-party provider before? The fault lies with you and not with EXODUS, as you did not read the Exodus Terms of Use (about the third-party API providers). I have been using the Exodus wallet for years, and it is a great, safe, and reliable wallet. But the biggest mistake is that you use an unknown exchange platform such as N.EXCHANGE, to make a swap for the huge amount of 2.7 BTC, and you did not recognize it and agreed to disclaim responsibility. It is worth noting that if you moved to Trustpilot you would find that most of the exodus users who used this exchange platform to make swaps suffered from the same problem as you, and they asked them for KYC procedures and others, and they were unable to return their funds. Unfortunately, this is a scam exchange, you must assign a lawyer and proceed with legal action against them.


Source: [1] https://www.exodus.com/legal/exodus-tos-20230223-v25.pdf

heh, I would have NEVER initiated a swap if I were warned in a transparent and clear way that N.Exchange will be the "swapper"  Shocked
I am experienced enough to make a preliminary due diligence check of an exchange
Please see my screenshot above how Exodus warns about it.
I must admit that I have been using Exodus for years as a non custodial wallet and I have not met any problems. But how they offer swap functionality is a complete scam.
They did approved N.Exchange (that has a dirty reputation), they do not clearly say that N.Exchange is their swap partner (you know about it when the sawo is put in hold) and they do not provide any assistance when N.Exchange starts robbing you.
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / EXODUS + N.Exchange = SCAM | STAY AWAY on: March 10, 2023, 01:18:19 AM
Hello Everyone

I have been using Exodus wallet for years to receive and to send crypto.

On 10 Feb 2023 I decided to make two swaps to exchange 1.3 BTC  and 1.4 BTC to ETH.





Before to make a swap Exodus tells you that operation is going to be performed by some 3d party but they do not let you accept some 3d party terms and they do not name directly exchange which will perform the operation:

This is how it looks like:


In fact these swaps are made by http://n.exchange/

Bot of my swaps were suspended.
And only in three days they replied me that I need to pass KYC:



I asked if it is possible to cancel both swaps and just get the refund.
They said OK and asked to wait for 21 days:



However after two days they changed their mind and asked to pass KYC even if I want just my 2.7 BTC back, yes just back to the originating address.



I passed that damn KYC  Shocked  Yes I disclosed my identity and my residence address with all supporting documents.
However even after the KYC procedure they refused to make a refund and requested some “substantiating record”  Huh

Every time I asked what it can be they could not explain. Examples of the stuff they asked:
“exchange withdrawal history”
“chat logs with your partners”
“pictures or any other written proof”
“wallet screenshots of the parties who sent me bitcoins before” (even half a year ago)
for some reason exodus screenshots (even if my partner has Exodus wallet too) would not be accepted ha ha  Cheesy
Today, after one month passed and I persuaded my partners to make screenshots of their wallets and provided all the rest my 2.7 bitcoins are still on hold by the fraudulent n.exchange
Yes n.exchnage just holds my coins.

Let me sum up:
1) I passed KYC
2) I fulfilled their AML request by providing  substantial records from my counter parties
3) I checked tx they asked screenshots for by AMLBot and the risk score was just 11-13% (!)
4) There is no any request from any law enforcement or police related to my identity, activity and/or crypto transactions
5) 31 days have passed since the lock

I assume that in such case they have zero risk to return bitcons to the the originating address I sent it from. I do not ask any swap or exchange anymore – just return me by bitcoins! To ME, to MY WALLET I sent it from.

All the month I was in communication with Exodus support as well, and I was shocked that they were aware of the situation. But every time they say that they cannot be responsible for 3d party API.

Ridiculous, Exodus integrated  N.Exchange as it's back end, sends tons of traffic, received feedback from me (and not only me) that N.Exchange is a pure fraud but does not do anything.

But after I found that back in 2020 Exodus had the same experience with 3d party API of CoinSwitch (you may google “exodus coinswitch scam”) I think that this is just a business model for Exodus. Otherwise I cannot find a reason why they put an absolute scam exchange on their backend and do not do anything when they get 100% scam report from users.

As for N.Exchange  it was founded by Oleg Belousov (Олег Дмитриевич Белоусов) , born on 11.12.1990 (11 December) in Uzbekistan,  a citizen of Israel, lives in Germany and operates most of his business from Lithuania.
They do not display any legal or physical entity on their site. Support phone has never been picked up. Telegram group is restriced  for posting. It took me some time to understand who stands begind the exchange.
They do not provide any personal information to stay in dark as much has possible and at the same time they keep saying that they have to follow KYC/AML policy  Undecided

His legal entities in fact are:
YOA Ltd in UK and Nexchange solutions UAB in Lithuania

Tomorrow I will have an appointment with a lawyer and my next steps will be to restore the justice in a long legal way. I dont care how expensive it is going to be but I have enough spare satoshi to make Belousov and Exodus pay off the debts.

Please write here or PM who found himself in the same situation with those criminals from Exodus and N.exchnage
Maxim
9  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [Localbitcoins.com] Is Closed. on: March 02, 2023, 01:57:37 PM
You can say good or bad things about LocalBitcoins but this is the perfect example how a crypto service should close it's doors. Cascade of warning and full payout. 10 years with full reserve. We miss it nowadays.
10  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitwala lost the mind wtf on: February 19, 2021, 05:33:16 PM
OP, I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain that the data kept by them is illegal under GDPR. Please write to them, and ask that you would like to exercise your right to be forgotten, under Article 17. You:
- withdraw your consent
- believe it is no longer necessary

They should have a specific GDPR email and you can report their refusal to delete your data.
They have one month to comply, otherwise, do your duty as an EU citizen and report the shit out of them. See how they like GDPR fines.

Now I know there are allowances for them to keep your data, in cases where it is necessary (justification for retention of data) but as you are no  longer their customer, there seems to me no justification.

Thank you very much
That's interesting. I will definitely do it and write back here.
11  Economy / Services / Re: Anonymous crypto loadable bitcoin debit card - No KYC - Private Card Services on: February 11, 2021, 10:12:45 PM
Can you verify my Bitpay account or just make me a new one verified?
12  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitwala lost the mind wtf on: February 11, 2021, 10:09:16 PM
Guys, I do not mind  provide my personal data but I expect that I get at least a service back.

I sent them the only eur wire  from Bitstamp (I think the most regulated exchange by now) and used that balance to pay kindergarten in my city, I provided them invoice issued in my name. Account was closed. No reasonable explanation provided. I feel like...just exposed, I dont know how to explain in a better way but I think it is some kind of unfair, isn't it  Huh
13  Economy / Service Discussion / Bitwala lost the mind wtf on: February 10, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
I would like to share my experience with Bitwala.
A the very beginning I was very excited to find a crypto bank, with a debit card and actually Made In Germany.
I registered, verified myself, got a debit card. Everything was smooth. A fair bitcoin wallet with keys made me feel confident.
I loaded some coins into my (MY OWN, in my name) Bitstamp account and made 2500 EUR  SEPA withdrawal to the Bitwala IBAN. It came the same day. Perfect! After that I made a local  1000 EUR SEPA to pay a kindergarten. It went through but 2 days later they sent me a questionnaire asking for fund source and proofs. I provided all the documents including blockchain tx when I purchased crypto and Kindergarten invoice. And what do you think?

We regret to inform you that we can no longer continue our banking journey, following a review of your account with us.

We have recently undertaken a review of your banking journey and reached this conclusion in line with Section 19 paragraph 3 of our partners solarisBank's General Terms and Conditions (GTC) and will no longer provide these facilities. You will, therefore, need to make alternative banking arrangements.

All of your other banking arrangements, including your account and cryptocurrency wallet, will be cancelled and closed with immediate effect.


wtf? Just one payment, absolutely transparent. No VPN, no proxies, all in my name, I just wanted to live crypto!

This was a great disappointment.
But another disappointment was waiting for me.

I decided to know what kind of data and for how long will be kept in Bitwala. I made a proper request referring to GDPR and sent it to Bitwala support. It's been along journey, kicking me from one manager to another who were giving me general answers like "some data" "for 5 years" "for 10 years" "do not worry". It ended up by adding me in their Jira an assigning me someone competent from the legal team and at the end I received a letter in german with an excuse and a zip file attached. There was a table with data and time mark it will be kept for. As I said I was dissapointed, all my personal data, my address, phone, IP, timestamps and photos of all the documents that were used during verification and after. My passport was captured in different positions and angels.

So wtf??
They kicked me out after the first legal payment but but they are going to keep all the data for 5-10 years? Is it OK guys?
14  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitpay introduced mandatory identification wtf on: January 19, 2021, 09:17:32 AM
Yesterday they asked me for registration and then asked to pass KYC!
Can I ask if you live in the EU, the US, or somewhere else?

There have been a lot of reports on this forum and on Reddit of the same thing happening to other BitPay users, but the only response I could find from BitPay themselves (here: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/kvujzq/fck_bitpay_use_coingate/gj0w8se/) was that it was in relation to EU AML laws. However, a lot of users in non-EU countries also seem to be experiencing the same problem.

Given how draconian they are about everything else, I would not be surprised if they just made KYC a blanket policy for all users to avoid people using VPNs/Tor to bypass IP restrictions.

And obligatory: Stop using BitPay!

I am outside of the EU. However I played with different IPs cleaning cookies every time.
It feels like some cut off moment came and now KYC is mandatory for everybody and for all amounts transacted.

BTCPay is the best alternative, unfortunately not all sites are capable to setup it I think. Plug&Play like Bitpay is easier. But as they grow they are forced to introduce mandatory KYC. I am not going to pass my data to Bitpay. If someone still knows about any holes in Bitpay's policy please write.
15  Economy / Service Discussion / Bitpay introduced mandatory identification wtf on: January 18, 2021, 01:38:03 PM
I have a dedicated server. I have been paying for it for many years with bitcoin via Bitpay without a hitch.
The last payment in December was successful as well.
Yesterday they asked me for registration and then asked to pass KYC! Cryptocurrency billing that lets me pay with bitcoin asked for identification: document, selfie.
Are they completely crazy? Huh  We need a billing that does not hurt our privacy I say.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain - Cryptocurrency; Driving me mad. on: November 06, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
I saw several projects that promised to create something like this, but none of these projects created anything. I like the idea of ​​combining a messenger and a crypto wallet, but I have not seen any such working application.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Good projects/hard to reach softcap on: November 06, 2019, 04:21:59 PM
I heard about Bitwings from my friend and it seemed interesting to me. I like the idea of ​​this project, but I think that people do not need it. In my opinion, this is why this project will not be successful.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is your favorite project these days? on: November 06, 2019, 03:39:37 PM
I agree with your choice, buddy. Bitcoin is certainly the best, but among the altcoins, Ethereum is the best project for me. The king of altcoins has proved to everyone that he is the best. Ethereum 2.0 is a new stage for the king, it will only get better.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Dogecoin real or a meme? on: November 06, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
Dogecoin is just a meme-coin, a coin that has no specific purpose, just a digital currency. I think this is not a good coin for investment.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Extra weeks added to bounty campaign on: November 05, 2019, 06:46:44 PM
I think this is not a problem if the project owners give a reasonable explanation why they added 8 weeks. I participated in bounty campaigns where they added a few weeks and they became successful. You should decide for yourself whether to continue or not.
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