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221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 14, 2017, 03:21:10 AM
Can one of the developers please explain how Signatum's full Proof of Stake system will work after the 100,000th block?  So if we currently have our coins stored on Signatum wallet, after the 100,000th block, will we have the choice to move them into the "stake" category and earn 5% of staked coins?  Thanks.

I'm also curious to know (and excuse this if there's an obvious answer), but where does the 5% 'interest' on staked coins come from at this point, if no new coins are being mined?

Thanks.

POS does not necessarily preclude the creation of new coins.  I think the term 'mining' is not altogether synonymous with 'creating'.
222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
You should use CWI 0.9.8 to mine SIGT, no exceptions)


Im getting pretty much exactly what whattomine calculates with this

Now that I have switched to the palginmod version of ccminer I am getting what the calculator says.  Of course, I only switched to it a little less than 4 hours ago.

Let me further quantify what I have seen.  My last 8 payouts of 50 coins took the following minutes to accomplish.  All were with the KRNLX version.  Top being the more recent figures.

335 minutes with KRNLX_170810
331 minutes with KRNLX_170810
329 minutes with KRNLX_170810
340 minutes with KRNLX_170810
360 minutes with KRNLX-80
362 minutes with KRNLX-80
392 minutes with KRNLX (some down time for tinkering)
383 minutes KRNLX (maybe some minor down time here too)

All of these were with reported hashrates from the miner of between 245 and 257 Mh/s.

I have now been running the NON-KRNLX palingmod ccminer, reporting 227 Mh/s for exactly 240 minutes and am 5 coins shy of 50.  I should come in on this next 50 coins in about 265 minutes.  That's 4 hours and 25 minutes versus an average above that is closer to 6 hours.  And, that 4 hours 25 minutes is almost exactly what the calculator projected while ALL of the previous 50 coin segments took 30-35% longer than what they should have.

I am not trying to do anything here but help.  Been reading for days about the strange discrepancies in calculated earnings versus real earnings.  Just trying to parse it all out in an open and transparent manner.  Everyone is looking for the best way to do this and I think something odd is going on here.  


Last three 50 coin payouts...  most recent at the top

270 minutes
285 minutes
265 minutes

I am now collecting my 50 coins in roughly one hour less time while my REPORTED hashrate is about 30 Mh/s less per hour.  

Draw any conclusions or lack thereof you want.  
223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
You should use CWI 0.9.8 to mine SIGT, no exceptions)

you are totally right, more miner in CWI more benefit for all...

I wanted to try that myself but is it out of beta yet? 
224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 04:21:03 AM
You should use CWI 0.9.8 to mine SIGT, no exceptions)


Im getting pretty much exactly what whattomine calculates with this

Now that I have switched to the palginmod version of ccminer I am getting what the calculator says.  Of course, I only switched to it a little less than 4 hours ago.

Let me further quantify what I have seen.  My last 8 payouts of 50 coins took the following minutes to accomplish.  All were with the KRNLX version.  Top being the more recent figures.

335 minutes with KRNLX_170810
331 minutes with KRNLX_170810
329 minutes with KRNLX_170810
340 minutes with KRNLX_170810
360 minutes with KRNLX-80
362 minutes with KRNLX-80
392 minutes with KRNLX (some down time for tinkering)
383 minutes KRNLX (maybe some minor down time here too)

All of these were with reported hashrates from the miner of between 245 and 257 Mh/s.

I have now been running the NON-KRNLX palingmod ccminer, reporting 227 Mh/s for exactly 240 minutes and am 5 coins shy of 50.  I should come in on this next 50 coins in about 265 minutes.  That's 4 hours and 25 minutes versus an average above that is closer to 6 hours.  And, that 4 hours 25 minutes is almost exactly what the calculator projected while ALL of the previous 50 coin segments took 30-35% longer than what they should have.

I am not trying to do anything here but help.  Been reading for days about the strange discrepancies in calculated earnings versus real earnings.  Just trying to parse it all out in an open and transparent manner.  Everyone is looking for the best way to do this and I think something odd is going on here.  



225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 03:42:01 AM
Very detailed explanation on profit calculator. I would like to replenish another point:
c) And also the luck of you (and all the miners in the pool), maybe poor luck in last few hours, then no block found, no reward.
Yes, it calculates the ideal situation. Pool luck, worker efficiency, speed drops when you are working on a mining PC, all that further influences the resulting reward.

I completely get all of that.

What i do NOT get is how this 'volatility' of difficulty, luck and everything else ended up giving me a COMPLETELY consistent under-performance of 30% for over 96 straight hours - like a fine tuned Swiss watch.

That does not seem to be the kind of thing that 'noise' would create.  Now, it IS possible that noise suddenly created my 35% per mH/s improvement over the last THREE hours.  That is certainly plausible.

That is why I am going to let this run for a lot longer.  If I now go 4 days with my actual results mirroring the expected results, then the only real variable that has changed will have been the version of the miner.

In the meantime, if someone has the skills and means to test the outgoing network traffic from the KRNLX version of ccminer, they could perhaps help get to the real reason for this.

For right now, for me, it is a very curious thing.  Not an accusation yet.  Just a very curious thing indeed.

226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 03:31:35 AM
If SIGT is indeed dying...

1. Why all the discussion of it?  Ideas that die are not talked about.  Products that die are not attacked OR defended.

2. If it is 'dying' then how is it that it is within ~5% of the profitability of one of the MOST LIVING coins... ETH?  Right now, with similar Nvidia setups, ETH is giving me about 22.00/day while the DYING SIGT is in its 'death throes' while STILL delivering 20.86 per day while in a really bad SIGT/USD slump?

I thought dead things not only stopped breathing, they stopped moving, they stopped EVERYTHING.

Dead?  I don't think so.
for 1070 and 1080 maybe it is good,but on the radeon ETH+DCR the profit is twice more

The 1080 is terrible for ETH mining unless you have one of more esoteric ones with better memory bandwidth.

When dual mining, I get 32 Mh/s out of my 1070's on 125 watts.  Please point me in the direction of an AMD card that can double up on that.
227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 03:22:20 AM
Interesting findings with ccminer versions.  Very interesting.

I had been using various versions of the 'krnlx' ccminer for the last 5 days or so and when I plugged in my MINER-reported hashrate into the profitability calculators, my actual results were immediately proven to be significantly LESS than what the calculators were saying.  Using 'whattomine', and the krnlx_170810 version (32 bit Cuda 7.5) I was getting a MINER reported overall hashrate of 255 Mh/s.  But, my rewards were coming at a 190 Mh/s rate.  Ie., if I adjusted hashrate in the calculator to match my rewards, I had to go from my reported rate of 255 all the way down to 190.

So, I have these 12 GPU's getting 9.09 coins per hour while the calculator says I should be getting 13.5. 

Reading a post that I initially through was born of paranoia, insinuating that it was possible that some of these 'faster' modded ccminer versions might be skimming hashrate and delivering it elsewhere, I decided to go with the version that poster recommended, the palingmod versions.

So, I fired that up using the exact same settings for cards and the exact same .bat files.  And, this is what happened...

My MINER reported rate went from 255 to 233. 


At 233, whattomine tells me to look for 12 coins per hour.  That is one coin every 5 minutes.  I have been running on palingmod for 138 minutes.  I am told by whattomine, adjusted for difficulty mind you, that I should have 27 coins.  I have 25.  At my previous 'rate' of 255 I was losing 33% of what I was 'supposed to get' when using the krnlx version.  I am now off by about 8%.

So, I am running SLOWER and getting MORE. 

I know this is not a static environment, but I can tell you that since day one of mining this, I have been consistently OFF by 30-35% on the 'expected' numbers. 

If someone has the expertise to sniff out all the network traffic that the krnlx versions are making, it might be interesting to see if anything suspicious is taking place.

138 Minutes isn't even remotely close to a good sample size. You also said it yourself, the testing environment is not stable. 5 minutes ago the difficulty was 15k, now it is 26k. Whattomine is only accurate for that one split second you hit refresh. Not saying you shouldn't be skeptical, I am skeptical myself.

I totally understand the shifting difficulty.  But one thing that caught my eye was that my reported hashrate (miner reported) never jived with what that calculators were saying.  I did not spend more than a half hour before finding the 'superior' miners so did not spend any time at all to speak of with the stock ccminer or the palingmod version.  They were 'too slow'.  

Honestly, always 30% off from reported to experienced hashrate.  If it was volatility in difficulty that was to blame, I never saw it do anything other than act against me to the tune of -30%.

BTW, just hit the 3 hour mark with palingmod version.  Whattomine says I should be at 35 coins using my current 227 Mh/s rate.  My actual rewards right now?  34.21.

That is the first time in my 5-6 days of mining SIGT that the two things have matched.

I will know more in 24 hours.  Over the last three days I was supposed to be getting 315 coins but only getting about 209 (at miner reported 255).  

If by this time tomorrow, my current 227 ends up giving me 283 coins... I will have VERY strong suspicions about the KRNLX versions.  Not only that they might be somehow faulty, but that there could be potential for something less savory going on.
228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 03:04:13 AM
If SIGT is indeed dying...

1. Why all the discussion of it?  Ideas that die are not talked about.  Products that die are not attacked OR defended.

2. If it is 'dying' then how is it that it is within ~5% of the profitability of one of the MOST LIVING coins... ETH?  Right now, with similar Nvidia setups, ETH is giving me about 22.00/day while the DYING SIGT is in its 'death throes' while STILL delivering 20.86 per day while in a really bad SIGT/USD slump?

I thought dead things not only stopped breathing, they stopped moving, they stopped EVERYTHING.

Dead?  I don't think so.
229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 02:40:35 AM
Interesting findings with ccminer versions.  Very interesting.

I had been using various versions of the 'krnlx' ccminer for the last 5 days or so and when I plugged in my MINER-reported hashrate into the profitability calculators, my actual results were immediately proven to be significantly LESS than what the calculators were saying.  Using 'whattomine', and the krnlx_170810 version (32 bit Cuda 7.5) I was getting a MINER reported overall hashrate of 255 Mh/s.  But, my rewards were coming at a 190 Mh/s rate.  Ie., if I adjusted hashrate in the calculator to match my rewards, I had to go from my reported rate of 255 all the way down to 190.

So, I have these 12 GPU's getting 9.09 coins per hour while the calculator says I should be getting 13.5. 

Reading a post that I initially through was born of paranoia, insinuating that it was possible that some of these 'faster' modded ccminer versions might be skimming hashrate and delivering it elsewhere, I decided to go with the version that poster recommended, the palingmod versions.

So, I fired that up using the exact same settings for cards and the exact same .bat files.  And, this is what happened...

My MINER reported rate went from 255 to 233. 


At 233, whattomine tells me to look for 12 coins per hour.  That is one coin every 5 minutes.  I have been running on palingmod for 138 minutes.  I am told by whattomine, adjusted for difficulty mind you, that I should have 27 coins.  I have 25.  At my previous 'rate' of 255 I was losing 33% of what I was 'supposed to get' when using the krnlx version.  I am now off by about 8%.

So, I am running SLOWER and getting MORE. 

I know this is not a static environment, but I can tell you that since day one of mining this, I have been consistently OFF by 30-35% on the 'expected' numbers. 

If someone has the expertise to sniff out all the network traffic that the krnlx versions are making, it might be interesting to see if anything suspicious is taking place.
230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 02:02:49 AM
Here's what I am going to do...

With my setup it is taking me a consistent 5:45 to mine 50 coins.  That is using the ccminer_krnlx_170810 build I mentioned earlier.  I am 3 coins away from another 50 and when that is awarded I am going to change everything over to palginmod.  If the established ratio of miner reported hashrate and awards suddenly diverges when we will have some evidence that something nefarious might me up...


Difficulty is not stable, so you won't get a meaningful result.

Only way to test it alone is to perhaps to make a fork of the entire coin and premine a set amount, then reset and test again. Might be way too much effort.

Otherwise have identical setups in the same pool, mine for X amount of time using different miners at the exact same time, repeat results 3-10 times and then average results to compare.

For the last 30 hours I have been within 5 minutes every 50 coin payout.  I know the difficulty shifts around.  I know this is not scientific.  But I am still curious.  For some reason the 'what to mine' sites seem to be giving inflated numbers.  Maybe the inflation IS coming from elsewhere.

So far, my hashrate is down from 255 Mh/s to 233 Mh/s but my average payout for the last 2 hours is 10% HIGHER than the average of the previous 30.

One would not expect that.
231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 13, 2017, 12:07:38 AM
so what I did:

  • 2 identical rigs (6x undervolted gtx 1070 both at same clocks / hashrate when using an identical miner)
  • both running on the same pool with static diff set to 1.0
  • started miners exactly at the same time
  • stopped the miners after one hour

apparently the skunk miner seems to work a bit better on my rig, but this comparison is more for checking the reported hashrate vs accepted shares. Since people feel the reported hashrate is not fair on the skunk miner.
Actually this test is running for a too short time to draw conclusions, but it gives an idea already. Next update will be after 12 hours of mining

I will do more testing. I will test some more miners on request. Please PM me when you want me to test a private miner (ie. spmod 6 or something else) or give me a link to a public miner if you want it to be tested.



my mistake: skunk = krnlx miner Smiley I will update the graphics on the next update


Interesting nice work.

As I mentioned before spmod cannot be trusted as the source is not available. It could be redirecting hash rate somewhere else (which you can in theory prove with network analysis) or more likely it's reporting false hashrate.

Ofcourse a single point of data is not enough.

I don't recommend using spmod, since it's technically a leaked private build (which should not be distributed at all) and because we cannot trust it due to not having any source available (potentially a GPL3 violation as well).

Instead use:

palginmod - https://github.com/palginpav/ccminer/releases/

or

krnlx - https://github.com/krnlx/ccminer-skunk-krnlx/

For me palginmod is the most stable on a GTX 1060 6GB.


Here's what I am going to do...

With my setup it is taking me a consistent 5:45 to mine 50 coins.  That is using the ccminer_krnlx_170810 build I mentioned earlier.  I am 3 coins away from another 50 and when that is awarded I am going to change everything over to palginmod.  If the established ratio of miner reported hashrate and awards suddenly diverges when we will have some evidence that something nefarious might me up...
232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 12, 2017, 11:27:45 PM
so what I did:

  • 2 identical rigs (6x undervolted gtx 1070 both at same clocks / hashrate when using an identical miner)
  • both running on the same pool with static diff set to 1.0
  • started miners exactly at the same time
  • stopped the miners after one hour

apparently the skunk miner seems to work a bit better on my rig, but this comparison is more for checking the reported hashrate vs accepted shares. Since people feel the reported hashrate is not fair on the skunk miner.
Actually this test is running for a too short time to draw conclusions, but it gives an idea already. Next update will be after 12 hours of mining

I will do more testing. I will test some more miners on request. Please PM me when you want me to test a private miner (ie. spmod 6 or something else) or give me a link to a public miner if you want it to be tested.




my mistake: skunk = krnlx miner Smiley I will update the graphics on the next update


Where are you getting your 'reported' hashrate?  From your pool or from your rig?  The reason I ask is that my pool (suprnova) never shows anything close to a static figure (or maybe I do not know where to find it...).  Also, my rig that has 5 1060's and just 1 1070 is getting 123.5 reported from the miner.  Various mods have gone from 108 to 123.5 which is a 'settled in' hashrate.  I would think 6 1070's should be topping 145.

My guess is that you might run a bit faster with the ccminer_krnlx_170810 versions that you should be able to find.  There were three versions in the zip file and the Cuda 7.5 32bit version did best for me.
233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 12, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
What are the best vid cards for mining? maybe my HD 6850 card doesn't work with this.

I have 1060's and 1070's.  Getting about 18-19Mh/s out of the 1060's and around 28-29 from the 1070's.  

The key was finding the right mod for the miner and settling on the right intensity level.  Here is what I have learned...

1. There is very little you can do in the way of overclocking to get a better hashrate.  With Claymore and ETH mining, stock/overclock ratio can easily be 4/5.  Ie., 25 stock and 32 OC.  I cannot make ccminer budge with memory or base clock changes.  Power increase makes a small difference.

2. What ccminer reports as hashrate is NOT what you are going to get from the pool.  260 reported ends up about 200-210 from the pool.

3. The 32 bit ccminer runs better for me on Win10.  I have the version labeled ccminer_krnlx_170810.  There were three .exe files in my download.  The Cuda 7.5 32 bit version was the best of the three for me.

4. Compared to Claymore dual mining, ccminer is coming in at about 80% of the power when I think I have it fairly well optimized.  

5. Believe it or not, increasing the intensity MAY slow you down.  One of my rigs (5x1060's and 1x1070) runs great at i=22.5 and slows DOWN at i=23.

I was only able to mine for about 30 hours at the 5000 reward level.  I am going to mine this 100% for at least until it reaches 60K.

As for the current valuations, chances are very few people here have spent any time with financial markets and charts.  NEW things almost always dip multiple times before the market truly discovers and has confidence in a bottom.  That is why market tops and bottoms are almost never hairpin turns.  They have to work it out.  Lows are tested and retested sometimes many times before confidence is found and a march upwards begins.
234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 12, 2017, 06:08:58 PM
They are just trying to get rid of the weak so they can buy cheap!

Take advantage.  The drop in price is an advantage to those who mine SIGT.  

I have put my ETH mining on hold and will direct all of my meager capabilities (2x6 card rigs) towards SIGT until block 60K.  Currently getting a reported 260mh rate, but the real rate is more like 200.

As others have pointed out, you can find naysayers in ANY coin.  There are myriads of posts from less than 2 years ago where people were disgusted with getting 'only' a  handful of Ethers per day.  
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