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581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop visiting investment talk, self improvement, PUA, seminar on: October 10, 2020, 03:52:39 AM
In 2020, we don't need to go anywhere and pay anyone we can just learn everything from our smart devices for free of cost.Something maybe helpful to groom us once we know what is the path of success but no one can define what is your success path, it your's job.

Group conference undoubted is banned from attending, yup, it just make them more challenging to organise another talk.

It's been a long time since I went to the seminar last time, maybe 5 years ago...
at that time I was still at the end of the seminar the speaker offered his own product, from there I realized that the seminar was just a field of money for those who were good at speaking. Since this outbreak, the seminars have gone away but they are turning to webinars, and just the same the average speaker offers only their products. seminars are not much different from bullshit.

The talk usually ran by “very successful” person who are very good at talking too coincidentally, and look at all the passionate attendants they’re all very enthusiastic on this talk, it must be very good!
582  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 09, 2020, 09:42:41 PM


 It is normal for countries to have debt, even when you have a business, you will have to have a debt a debt at some point to be able to survive or recover.

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Yup, recovery would take a long time, it would be after the debt stop soaring higher.

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our country's trade balance is always deficit with China, they made an agreement with the Chinese government to use Yuan and Rupiah in trade transactions.



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Currency sanctions has to be the culprit. It’s where bitcoin shine to curb sanction.

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Everyone should know that some countries never witness or notices debt over some period of time because of management of their economy, so generalising it that debt goes up.

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The pandemic amplify the inflation, first it’s QE, next come with zero interest rate policy, also come with zero reserve requirement, any sane person would feel the impact of pandemic, no exception. It’s remote impossible to contest against generalisation didn’t hold up.

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No one's even prepared with this pandemic and I'm pretty sure that most of the countries are also having a hard  time recover from all of the damage that this Covid-19 brought to humanity.

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Nothing was recovered since 2008, it’s getting worse, it might be just a pipe dream to think about recovery.

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if not government then who will pay the expense ? knowing that people on your country depend the most on your government . if your government wont pay the expense thier debt will just rise  and rise up to the point that it wont all be possible to be paid .

 are they going to wait for that moment to happen ?  debts isnt the only thing that is rising but prices of the products are rising as well  . its sad that salary of the poor workers are not included on the rise , this are also the reason why they end up in debt .

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Yup debt is bad enough said.
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I’ve heard the news before about the increasing global debt and it threatens another economic crisis and unfortunately Covid-19 makes the situation more difficult to many country. Imagine those country who are not in a good position before this pandemic, they are suffering 10x right now.

Debt is inevitable, no government has no debt because this is where the money came from and corrupt officials are using this debt for their personal vendetta not all but most of them. The pandemic before and pandemic right now is totally different.

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It’s something news, crisis is long overdue but it’s not coming. Or it might have been over but nobody aware of it because it recovered too quickly, the market recovered from the new low since March to all time high in just less than six months, it’s insanely quick.
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This is true they keep on taking more debt and the result is that not all of them reaches to the final consumer for what purpose they take it. In between there is so much corruption that happen in the countries that only certain percentage might reach to the actual needy. But for government they do worry much because they are in power now and in next it would be somebody else probably so tis their burden to solve crisis etc. Thus, the debt keep on rising and this pandemic has just worsened the situation.


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The impact is unprecedented! The damages is inaccessible. Commence self destruction!

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I won't be surprised that Trump thinks that way. Our country borrowed huge amount of money to other countries we currently have trillions of debt (Philippine peso).


Covid-19 is really a huge challenge for every countries that has lots of infected cases, except for some counties, that happened to fixed that problem within short period of time. Like China. It started to them yet they had the advantage on the world economy right now, they are really good on handling the pandemic. I hope this pandemic to end soon. It literally made our world economy to decline, but gladly, every country will cope with this and will gradually positively increase their economy.

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The few nations that didn’t advocate lock down, I think they would do well.

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they obviously picked the loan option to bankrupt some other time, some survived but some failed.
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Having debt is fundamentally evil, Tim Cook do not like debt, must eliminate any debt!

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583  Other / Politics & Society / Stop visiting investment talk, self improvement, PUA, seminar on: October 09, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
Decade ago, people rushing to attend investment seminar to learn the magic of passive income, many are convinced they’re investing and would be next Warren Buffett.

Think carefully it’s all but a setup, they are no different than donating money with internet to the rich, but just camouflaged with sugar coated promise and keywords, calling it “stock” instead of “donation”, calling it “investment” instead of “transfer of value to the rich”,

The same goes for PUA and self-improvement too, just a donation in a little gimmicks.

Yup, the red pill is finally accepting the uncomfortable truth about reality.

The bitcoin change the perception of money, also change the entire financial products that come with it.
584  Economy / Economics / Re: Where the top world Elite Rich guys invest on: October 09, 2020, 08:27:05 PM
The top Elite dump their company and acquire hard asset.
It’s a donation to the rich.
585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Christian Countries Got Fucked! on: October 08, 2020, 06:46:35 PM
Best time to change the religion to save the as*
Don’t be Christian I think?

Why care about religion in the first place? Most of the developed nations are predominately Christians, but you also see that number of Atheists is growing rapidly over the last 50 years. With increasing wealth the value of religion becomes less and less important. I mean honestly, going to war over some books written more than 2000 years ago seems crazy today. Under developed countries behaving like in the dark ages. It's just sad and we must stay above them, because in the end it's just a few rich people profiting from those wars. 

I think people go to war in the past, because they have no internet, today we have internet, do we still need to go to war? I think war never stop, it just change to psychology war, mental war, the strongest mental make the profit, yeah it’s still all about profit, no money nobody will want to go to war.
586  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 08, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
^ If you learn how business, finance, and economy works, you will know that debt is not your enemy. And you will know that financial literature and networks are the superheroes. In the situation that we have right now, debt is the best option for the countries to survive.

Debt in a national scale is not something a country can avoid, I think the efficient and proper distribution of borrowed funds is the key to utilize the full potential of a national debt.

OP seems to hate having a debt. If you are practical when it comes to finance then you could have avoided one. I do not know your lifestyle but I think it is time to be self aware whether you have the solution or you are part of the problem, stop blaming the government everything that is happening to you.

Debt is the most destructive curse on anybody life, the second being inventory, Tim Cook called inventory “fundamentally evil”, he advocate just in time inventory and successfully turn Apple into single biggest conglomerate in existence. Yup debt is dangerous.
587  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 08, 2020, 11:53:18 AM
^ If you learn how business, finance, and economy works, you will know that debt is not your enemy. And you will know that financial literature and networks are the superheroes. In the situation that we have right now, debt is the best option for the countries to survive.
And I can tell, numbers will only be lowered but never the value. The lockdown in 2008 is nothing compared to today though. The lockdown of today is more centralized and controlled by the powerful people behind the curtain.

Satoshi is right, everything seem to be heading to the direction, there is no returning to normal, it’s challenging to go back to normal life again, the pre 2008 normal life is gone forever and it’s never coming back.
588  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 08, 2020, 11:50:04 AM
It is just normal that the debt goes up for every country that is directly affected by the pandemic do have that because not all countries do have a pretty rich economy to support its people most specially on the third world countries for they are lacking of resources and the capability to create ways on how they can have funds as of the moment. There is nothing wrong on having debts right now for we are currently on a crisis and one of the thing to keep up and survive this crisis for the sake of the people is to borrow money that will be paid of course once everything gets back to normal and the country's economy have already full recovered from the recession it experienced during this pandemic.

I hope it’s normal, but none of them look normal to me, because having too much debt could drive people nut, it’s very dangerous.
589  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 08, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
It has been a long time since the world faced a dangerous pandemic like this. I can't expect everything will be the same as before, especially when this virus has stolen more than 1 million lives. The lockdown is obligatory to save as many lives as we can. I know that the results will make many people lose their job. But as long as we still here, we can build anything with our own hand.

Debt is really a bad thing. It is hard to maintain our living conditions during this circumstance without having a huge debt. Just try as best as you can and I believe you will have what you deserve.

What’s worst is interest rate is finally resting on the ground, ZERO, saving wouldn’t make you any more income, it’s sick, the impact of zero rate, the long term impact, expect it!
590  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 08, 2020, 09:49:51 AM
“It’s shooting thru the roof!”


591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All Christian Countries Got Fucked! on: October 07, 2020, 10:22:29 PM
Best time to change the religion to save the as*
Don’t be Christian I think?
592  Economy / Economics / Re: People lose Faith and Hope for banking and tradional markets on: October 07, 2020, 10:14:11 PM
It’s intriguing, I’m watching many young people are giving up and decide to turn into incels, it didn’t stop here, hackers are roaming everywhere to destroy every security system on the software level, plenty of leaked source codes, plenty of zero days exploit spreading around, what’s going on? I’m surprised people are chilled facing all the noise all over the internet. But it’s kinda fun.
593  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 07, 2020, 09:58:45 PM
wonder if the economic system in which we live isn't shit

Capitalism is a process, not an end-state. It's not sustainable indefinitely. I'm not saying communism is better (it's not), just that points of crisis are to be expected, and it's the job of the government to manage them... which they are not doing very well. Debt is certainly inevitable under the current system, as the expectation of debt is what it's all built upon. Bitcoin does offer hope of greater freedom, but that's till a very long way off.

Surprisingly many big businesses don’t plan to leave the communist country, despite their government promise to give some handsome tax benefit to move their plant back to their mother land. Japan firms, Korean firms, even American firm do not want to migrate their businesses back even with unbelievable promises and benefits.
Every system has its own advantages, the reason why most of these firms are not moving out is because of the cost of production, which is very low in places like China and Vietnam. You don't have any Union to negotiate with and there are several things like environment impact assessment that you need to pass in these places unlike developed nations, as long as people start putting profit before values these firms will not relocate

I think most of them are fed up by the sugar coated promised given by their own politicians, how are they going to trust their government again after getting duped for a coupe of times, even voters can losing their confident on election, yeah this businessmen do not trust their government anymore knowing those promise given are unattainable, the politicians can keep going on and mourning about their promise, they simply ignore, no more trust, they didn’t even trust communism too, despite knowing communism is destinated to confiscate everything they can build in China.
594  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 07, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
That's right, an increase in debt is inevitable.  Debt is basically used to increase productivity, but this year debt is no longer running with its leverage function.  Debt increases only due to securing a country's economy for a certain period of time.  The government, which has increased in debt due to Covid, has made debt an alternative to safeguarding the socio-economic conditions of its people.  The pandemic has exacerbated the amount of national debt, especially in developing countries.  I hope, with the increase in debt, the government will be able to allocate it properly, so that the handling of Covid will end soon.  Honestly, I'm really tired of the current situation.

The impact of too much debt, the interest rate finally get down to zero recently, for the sake of rescuing a market meltdown and dump the oil to -$50, and just a few month everything turn back to normal? Idk what on earth is happening, the number is jumping and dumping like video game, it’s crazy.
595  Economy / Economics / Re: Điều duy nhất đi lên là các khoản nợ! Đó là điều không thể tránh khỏi! on: October 07, 2020, 09:46:40 PM
Any country also needs to borrow for economic development. We are building the world on debt. There will come a time when debt balances will rise higher and central banks continue to print money to pay debts.
I don't believe in markets because they follow heterogeneous rules. This downturn is different compared to 2008 when stock indexes recover quickly and reach a new ATH. Perhaps the world has printed too much money.

Yeah it’s getting numb since inflation is such a loosed cannon, people slowly giving up hope on dollar and move to crypto, the whole point of bitcoin come from the idea of out of control bailout money went out of control.
596  Economy / Economics / Re: rich people super rich are taking loans now why? what it means ? on: October 07, 2020, 09:33:55 PM
Since the article is from April (!) I really don't know what's the reason for this topic... an attempt to scare the newbies?
Or to show how it is made? But this kind of strategy doesn't cater for everyone obviously. So I wouldn't go that route, or maybe I will make a loan but I know that I can fully pay it off. Those rich has a lot of leverage with their assets as collateral. And then buying cheap and selling in the future take the profits paid the loan and they still have some in their pocket, perfect strategy for them.

The rich people do afford to lose most of the assets they've used as collateral and they'll still be rich.
Normal people should not use loaned money for any kind of investments.

Indeed, that's not the path to follow. So not much use to "show how it is made" imho...

many of the rich people got rich by taking these kinds of high risk moves. but they do it with some experience and the know how of the internals of the markets they are doing it it.
in the end fiat will always dump because of its inflationary nature and there is no escaping that. so if they could get more money even through loaning and invest it in assets that can not lose their value they can make a ton of money. of course again being in the inner circle helps them a lot.

No way it’s risky, real estate has always been viewed as a solid investment for the ultra rich, every ultra rich love to invest to real estate, it’s not uncommon many people think property is high risk, these people are usually rent property their entire life, they love to spread fud, and bearish on market crash, world wars will wipe out everything, business is doing bad and so on, by far all of them are proven wrong again and again, there is nothing wrong about them, because everybody hate taking loan from the bank, nobody want to have any loan, they want to buy anything that they can pay with just cash, yup they intend to buy real estate with dirt cheap price that they can pay with cash too, nobody in their right mind will want to make such an obvious loss making decision, they’re often looking at -50-70% below market rate property, which is some ridiculous rate.
597  Economy / Economics / Re: rich people super rich are taking loans now why? what it means ? on: October 07, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
>..<

The British Crown is the ultimate owner of all of the land in Canada, Australia, the UK and a load of other countries. This makes the English Queen the ultimate owner of more land than any other dynasty in the world.

The super rich borrow money at negative interest rates, and use it to buy hard assets. They then wait for the collapse of their fiat currencies to clear their loans ( if they feel like it ).

This a interesting time we alive many investment simply don’t make money, smart money are running out of option to invest, the “smart money” here depict the high net worth individual such as WB, this smart money do not like bitcoins, WB openly express dislike on bitcoin, all his followers would do the same too, Bill Gates dislike bitcoins too, but WB calling real estate is the best performing asset for him, I think all his followers too would do the same, I think nobody with high net worth is investing any money into liquid market, many turn into hedge fund, hedge fund isn’t investing money into liquid market, the market is entirely running on bailout money, who is to blame for this mess? Real estate isn’t the risk free investment, but it’s highly illiquid and it’s difficult to know the real value from time to time, I think it’s also the reason why it’s a good investment, very illiquid very difficult to know the value but it’s open to bid the price for the real estate.

The odd thing happen that bank constantly offering money to bailout property owners, refinance on top of another refinance on top of another refinance, there is no end to it, that’s what attract the super rich, they can get bailout by investing into real estate, for the people without property they have a lot to loss since having a property is a necessity, they couldn’t enjoy the benefit of bailout offered.
598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Covid in the White House on: October 06, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
Welp, I think Donald Trump trying to be the “apprentice” in his celebrity show, he is “feeling better than 20 years ago”, wow, that’s the time he’s filming his celebs show, but that’s just a show, in real life people can get sick, and ignoring that might cost him the life, while I’d impressed by his courage and stubbornness, and for what? Well, that baffling may be that’s what the mindset difference between privileged people with common people.
599  Economy / Economics / Re: rich people super rich are taking loans now why? what it means ? on: October 06, 2020, 10:03:10 PM
It’s nothing new, real estate, real definition “royal estate”, it’s not real, it’s the estate belong to the royal family, you the property owners are just “leasing it”, although some with lenient rule free hold and lease hold, they’re both still the royal estate, although freehold are miles better than leasehold, for century real estate has been evergreen investment for richest, using property as the leverage against another property, it isn’t some straightforward business deal, but it’s way less risky than leveraging property on stock market. It means property is still a good investment.
600  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 06, 2020, 08:01:37 PM
Misogynist skyrocket due to lock down, (prove me wrong otherwise)

Fenimazi definitely on the upward trajectory

Hmmm, perhaps there is a connection between the two? Wink

Conformist SJW types and racist, sexist misanthropists alike are digging their heels in. Part of it is the economic situation coming to a head. For decades, wages have been stagnating while living costs surge. This has resulted in a new generation of angry, misguided, and broke people who can't support themselves (they depend on their parents) and are, apparently due to their pathetic lives, sexually inept. These people are lashing out, economically in the form of populism (anti-immigrant sentiment plays a big role here) and socially in the form of these protests and online communities.....Proud Boys, Patriots, etc. Essentially I think these people are largely a generational reaction to the economic situation. So was the election of Trump in 2016. In turn I think a lot of the increased SJW activity is a direct reaction to their presence online and in street rallies, etc. although it's also a manifestation of the type of left-wing populism that can erupt when the economy gets worse and worse.

This has all been coming to a head for years already. The mass unemployment caused by the corona virus lockdowns and economic contraction quickly brought it to a critical mass though.

And to boot, it made it so millions and millions of people now have way too much fucking time on their hands to go out protesting or shout their views at people for 12 hours a day online.

What’s even good compare to 2008??? No lock down in 2008.

Markets get propped up by the Fed and Congress. Homeowners get bailed out. The lockdowns were a new twist, the amount of money printing was unprecedented, but everything else looks quite the same. That's why the market recovered so fast.

Long term reddit reader on r/ Pua, incel, lookism, and it evolve to twitter on 2017, but after a complete overhaul in 2018, most of the toxic Twitters are removed, also reddit remove most of the misogyny sub, it didn’t dry up but gaining traction with more and more forum shrooming like mushroom in recent years, excerpt from wiki

Sites

The manosphere comprises various websites, blogs, and online forums.[21] Noted sites include /r/TheRedPill, Return of Kings, A Voice for Men, PUAHate, and SlutHate.[40]

Reddit has been a popular gathering place for manosphere supporters, and several forums on the site are geared toward its ideas.[41][42] However, in the late 2010s Reddit began to take steps to discourage more extreme manosphere subreddits. Some were banned, such as /r/incels (banned in 2017) and its successor /r/braincels (banned in 2018); other subreddits such as /r/MGTOW and /r/TheRedPill have been "quarantined", meaning that a warning is displayed to users about the content of the subreddit and users must sign in before they're allowed to enter.[43][44][45][46] As a result, some of these communities have found new homes on websites that are more welcoming of extreme content, such as Gab.[46]


My observation so far.

Home owner get bailout? I think they getting some fancy refinance package, it’s hardly a bailout. But everybody seem to accept that happily.
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