I don't see anything wrong here. This is more of a level of service issue than anything. Especially so if they are consistently lagging in updating, this would be a glaring issue they would have to blatantly ignore. There could be any number of reasons for it, and would be something I expect them as a business operator to rectify and/or adapt to. I say that s this would be glaringly obvious to them, and not some random secret issue that could go unnoticed.
I don't wager often, so I don't get the logistics behind this. My take is that you run it once, make sure there is an exploit and prove it. You then contact their team and explain and prove it to them. Beyond that you are taking a hidden exploit and turning it into a scam. Not many people would be able to take advantage of it and if you attempt to be stealthy this could carry on for a long term.
No. I place this in the same category as #2. Try it prove it and then contact support to make them aware of it. If you go beyond that and attempt to game it for yourself you are knowingly attempting to turn an exploit into a scam.
In trading that would be on you, you are trusting your software to make decisions for you. No one is tricking it with a series of commands or events to make it do something outside of designed operation.

I feel the moment you discover something that is hidden and use this to manipulate the odds in your favor you are acting unethically and in bad faith. It crosses some lines and I would expect casinos and bookmakers to refuse service to individuals who abuse these hidden exploits without reporting them.

This depends. Are you taking a share of your friends profits. If so I feel this is 2 individuals manipulating and attempting to scam a bookmaker. If your friend happened to place a bet after you mentioned something along the lines of wishing you had been able to get those odds, then that's them using information for their own gain - not having participated in getting the odds manipulated.

Personally if they aren't offering the odds you want and can't find them elsewhere the spot doesn't exist. Fabricating it through betting and exploiting that using a different account makes this unethical imo. It's really no differnt than you just having an alt account to circumvent their TOS.

Yeah just bad luck that I was defending BB and put in the call. GG, not much you can do there.
Yeah when I saw the Set of Queens I felt pretty gross. It was training for later as I had a few of these spots. The draws were good to me today.

Who little old me.
It was a spot that's for sure, I knew you had an A and figured you were strong with the lead out. Didn't realize it was 2 pair strong. It was one of those I have to be good 1/3 of the time knowing it's the nut flush - didn't like seeing the 8 of clubs in your hand - and there wasn't much sense in waiting for a better spot than this. I think at that point with the pot size and what you had behind it gave me the right odds. That made it a fold or jam, at best I finally catch you bluffing me, or I get there.

Early on though I did get lucky hitting a few draws on the turn so I didn't have to sweat it out much. They usually happened in key spots to help me build back up or grab a chip advantage. There were some tough folds though. The hand you jammed into me and it was a T high board. I figured you must have had an overpair, or a set. I folded TJ.

Thanks, and GG. The final hand between you and Globbo came up so fast. What a roller coaster what was it a flopped J for you and a turn Q for Globbo.

Thanks. I'm sure you'll find your way back in the money at some point. You managed to grab my chips in a few spots, either bluffs or just getting there. Globbo was a monster in the final 10 and probably long before that with their stack.

@Globbo great heads up final. You were super aggressive and it was tough to find a spot or pull away, the all-ins were just to hard to call against. In the end I managed to get there with a flopped K high straight. I think I caught you on a bit of a hot streak with me check folding a few flops, so I checked this one back as well and called your jam. Congrats and looking forward to catching you at the tables again

I have to ask you had another one of those hands that I had a tough fold and cost me quite a few chips. I mentioned in chat about trying to remember it. It was a double paired board, I can't remember exactly what the runout was but I made trips on the turn with 8's I think and then the river paired the board again. You called my bet on the turn and then jammed the river. I had the bottom full-house and figured you had the top end.

No worries if you don't remember I can't seem to bring up my hand history to get the details. I forgot to grab screen caps in the moment.

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GG everybody catch you all next week.
I suggest sending them a PM. They definitely need to return the chips. They're not mine but I don't think people should be accepting these gifts if they aren't able to play the next game.

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Thanks for the raffle.

Damn sorry Globbo. Yeah I just checked the SWC chat and they did increase it. Not sure why or why they didn't grandfather older accounts. You should inquire in the SWC thread, maybe they'll hook it up. If I could send you krill I would.

Good luck all. 17 registered so almost 2 full tables.

Welcome to an SWC reg joining us for the first time @kolloh

Should be a good time, not sure what happened to me at he start but I had to reload the App to take my seat

I'm noton the desktop client to double check what info you get but here was a response from SWC previously along the same vein

Hey thanks for the info. Unfortunately I'm shit when it comes to betting on sports and what not. So I'll stick with Poker where I at least have a snowballs chance in hell 

Nice discussion and giveaway topics though, good luck

I can fire some out. I'm on my phone though, so I just need you to send me your username. Post here or PM me and I'll send the chips shortly

Welcome to the dark side. Our employers would be so proud 

I'll be shipping chips and registering this evening, and barring any plant issues it should be a smooth afternoon. Fingers crossed we'll see 1 or 2 SWC regs there tomorrow. I've been chatting with a few and the interest seems to be growing but that only matters if they  show up and get sucked in.

Bounties galore can't wait here's to hoping I can pick one up. I've been playing a few bounty tournaments lately and they get so crazy. Love the idea of the mystery bounty should help keep peoples play somewhat standard.

The tournament is hosted by SWC and all relevant information for registering and buy-in is in the OP


@efialitis Sorry I missed you on Discord the other week. In the future it's easier to reach me through forum PM for anything. Feel free to reach out anytime.

Yeah I'm definitely not looking at it from a prizepool perspective just a chance to participate and play. I am as active as I can possibly be in the series and I'm sure there are a few others who might actually want a shot at the prize that may not make 5 tourneys either.

Just a thought, as it was the only thing that sticks out to me with our current format.

hey I forgot I wanted to bring this up when the series started. In the future for the small final I would like to see us lower the threshold to participating in 3 or 4 qualifiers to qualify for it.

Personally there will just be some games I can't make which can be up to half of the qualifiers depending on my work schedule. This can already negatively affect my chances of qualifying for the main, and feels sort of like a double whammy. Curious what others think about this. There could be a stipulation where at least one of the games needs to be the final 3 qualifiers if the worry is just about people joining early and stopping once they can't make the finale.

You have to play a few raked games. Best bet is to play some of their microstakes cash games. Doesn't take long to earn 1 krill. Good luck

Congrats man, great day at the tables. Can't remember I think I donated my stack to you in one of the doubles last Thursday. AQ open calling a jam from BB I think and you had KK lol. Stupid call on my part at thatpoint for the stack sizes and fact that i want that best finish across the 2 again, but I had been jammed into like 5X in a row by others and wasn't having it anymore lol

Hope to see everyone this coming weekend couldn't make it on Sunday my crossshift was an hour late or work and i slept til 2 hours past start time. Should be there this weekend, it'll be on mobile from the office lol. On the bright side we might be starting to attract more SWC regulars. Was just chatting with one who misread the start time but will be trying to make it next week, and another who seemed into the idea and has the link for this thread now.

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Hey as others have pointed out I made a video to serve this purpose. It doesn't go into every minute detail of quoting and what not but is a good basis to get started. Iirc it also pointo you to this section which covers BBcode and certain button functions.
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Apart from that there are written posts detailing some of the finer points of posting etiquette. Here is one I made [Tips] Posting technique It covers quoting in there as well.

I started and will probably continue more videos to simplify some things. The idea though was not to replace reading and learning from experience. Those are some of the most important and forgotten skills on this forum imo. good luck to you and other newbies on your journey.

That is awesome news. Hopefully it has more to do with listening to the constructive criticism than, just some backdoor stuff between them and the provider. I am looking forward to seeing what they come back with as I would love to go back and play there again. Maybe they'll re-launch with a phat prize tournament. I had pretty much given up on playing there until now but will be looking forward to seeing their launch.

Wow that's an awesome set up for tomorrow. Efialitis is gonna be up against some splashy call downs I think, can't wait to see some screenshots of how those go down. Very generous of you, awesome way to spice things up again for everyone.

Not sure if I'll be in tomorrow, I am on nights and likely will sleep right past the start time. We'll see.

I am still surprised that we don't see more people from SWC they play loads of tournaments with a higher buy-in and a relatively similar prize pool, it might come down to no re-entries. I've noticed most if not all of their tournaments have re-buys available and quite a few have add-ons. These can get pricey but I often see multiple folks with 3 re-buys, and various others with 2 or 1.

Honestly it gets more interesting with others playing as well, but if we held steady at our current number I'd be happy enough. It's still a good time. It would be nice to see some of our past participants join in, or a few of the others from the forum that I am surprised haven't jumped in yet.

Either way good luck tomorrow if I don't make it in, and if I'm there I hope to collect all bounties and take all your chips . Muahahahahah

Oh no word on my Watford jersey either. I just assume I'll get a package in the mail in a month or so.

This is true - albeit a little broad for where this thread has evolved to. Anyone studying now a days is essentially handed charts to begin their journey then the understanding of why and how they came to be. The Pro's are constantly adjusting them in small ways, based on reviewing their previous plays and spots to find any amount of edge they may be missing. I used my charts fairly religiously for a few months and then moved away from them, to play from memory and experience. I have plans to look into another course that follows a completely different vein of game theory but am holding off for one of 2 bankroll milestones.

Online you can actually wind up with a significant amount more information on an opponent there are free to use HUD's and some sies even have a built in HUD. This gives you information you would be hardpressed to figure out in your head live.

Experience is a necessity for anything. You can read and study all you want but if it can't be applied irl at best you can teach theory. Instinct is just an extension of experience/study/and practice. Luck is a bitch, and can be replaced with the word variance, and it hits both sides.

I wanted to clear that up because most of what you have written is inaccurate. There are definitely good strategies when it comes to poker, to think otherwise is crazy. The best in the world and even marginally profitable players use strategies some more in depth than others. There are a lot of people in the world who make a living playing poker, for each of them there are thousands who don't. Most of those are fun players who want to pop in and out and just enjoy seeing where the cards lay.

For everything in the world there are different ways to look at things. There is nothing wrong with someone treating poker like a job, they just have to train and develop the skills required. On that same vein there is nothing wrong with someone who wants to sit down and click buttons online or spew chips at a table if that's what they find fun.

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I haven't had much time to play or grab spots to bring to the thread lately, lots of work lately. I am hoping to grab a spot that bothers me quite a bit, in the meantime here is the jist of it.

Having second pair with a good kicker, when the top pair pairs on the board. I really don't like it at any point but more so when I get to the turn or river. I know this isn't ideal for format and hope to grab a spot when I'm off work. It's similar to a paired flop that make a pair with the odd card out.

Yeah all I could do is laugh. I'm never not going broke in that spot. I took solace in the fact that I was behind from the start so it's easier to live with. Better than the night before where I got it in good 5X only to suffer some of the grossest beats ever.
AA flatting from HJ (2.5BB) , with 1 caller before me and BB jams (29 BB) Magic especially when I see 24 of diamonds. He runs out a straight

Has the nerve to pretend he was just trying to get knocked out, and not just being a donk jamming assuming it would get through.

I saw you make your last stand. Not much you can do there.
Good run buddy. Yeah FT situations need a bit of balance. Especially if you are chip leading, better to let the smaller stacks knock themselves out fighting for pay jumps and/or position and only getting into spots that are really good for you, position wise and strong hole cards. Then again on a really passive fold heavy table you can mix in there and steal blinds.

Either way congrats.
Congrats on both. My Big BTC run was annoying, I had great playable hands early that fell flat and left me very short.

That's tough you might have been up against a flopped straight or yes a set, but tough to say with no 3-bet pre. I likely would have played the call, you might have been up against KK,QQ or even Top Top. Either way good run.

See everyone next week. This video will be a bit clunky for whatever reason at the 2.75 hour mark it stopped recording saying maximum length. I missed about 20 minuted I think, but got the end with a second recording. I'll get it up sometime this week.

You're not getting off that easy lol. Pm or something if you are stuck again, I'll help you out anytime. That goes for any regular if you can't reload your chips in time.
22 minutes left and we have 17 so far nice turnout but let's hoe for a few more, 2 full tables would be nice.

Sounds good. It's no hassle apart from the odd program clash when I'm home. The voice over is something I might try as I think it would be fun. It might also help me in seeing how well I can analyse a spot, on the spot. Not sure when but it will be something I throw in when I have an abundance of time to sit back and cover some spots. Might even do a cut and just run with a FT or something.
I should think about maybe setting up the dual monitor so I can run a satellite as well 

I did think about asking SWC if they would have had the replay from the Championship with hole cards, but I wasn't sure if other players at the table would appreciate it. Assuming SWC had it and was willing to allow me to use it.

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Sorry to jump in here guys but I just wanted to point out it's pretty easy for us to just send chips between one another. Whether it be for a tip, or even a side bet. I just think it's best anything outside our personal tournament fees we handle on our own ends.

See everybody tomorrow.