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1  Other / Meta / Re: Why do some campaign members posting essay? on: December 29, 2023, 05:00:46 AM
Don't worry, even if you didn't mention Stakes' signature campaign participants, we all know that you're referring to this users.

This user's post also seems like an essay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885934
I don't want to mention names because there are many. Most of them are probably coming from stake campaign. It seems like some of them are trying to make a post longer when it can be done with short post.

Because long post make your post looks high quality,
It doesn't mean a long post equals a high-quality post; most of this post is just to meet signature campaign quotas.


I think merit sources knows what post to be merited. They are aware if a user is just trying to fill the campaign requirement and trying to force a long post to impress their campaign manager. I hope campaign managers would also look on members that makes long post which arent' really necessary.



Simply because a lot of users think that posting long topics makes it highly more likely for them to receive merits; even though if you read most of those, the thread seems to be pretty forced(character and word count wise). Not to mention that some are ChatGPT-generated.

If anything, it makes me far less likely to give merits. Just freakin get to the point without all the unnecessary fluff.

You are one of the most merited member in the forum and I like your post because it doesn't need to be too long, you'll only make it long when necessary and yet you can convey your thoughts effectively. I wish there are more people like you.



I have no grudge against members that do long post, but I am just disappointed on some who value their post based on quantity, not quality.
2  Other / Meta / Why do some campaign members posting essay? on: December 29, 2023, 03:22:15 AM
Sorry about the title. While reading some posts, I noticed that some campaign participants seem to be posting essays. Have you noticed the same, or is it just me? If you also notice this, do you think it's healthy for the forum?
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BC Game shady scamsite? on: December 01, 2023, 03:09:51 AM

I personally did not sign up on any BC gaming sites since I think they are risky. Yes, investing in any gaming site may easily provide profits, but in order to avoid scammers, do your research first by reading reviews and checking the appropriate licensing regulations.  But it's really up to you when your a fond of casino's or gambling then why not, go for a ride  Wink but be mindful to set limit for yourself and only play with money you can afford to lose.
4  Other / Archival / Re: Wearing Bitcoin Clothing in Public on: November 30, 2023, 12:16:16 PM
for me, it is not that bad if you are that proud to wear your Bitcoin shirt, cause in my country only a few are able to know about BTC, altcoin, trading, etc. so it really depends on the people surrounds you. Some people may not be familiar with Bitcoin, and then you may attract unwanted attention, specifically to strangers. cause they will be curious and want to discuss more about it because as I said they barely know this kind of stuff.
One thing to consider when you're wearing your bitcoin shirt is that you are potential target for theft or scams, that's because it will attract their attention and may assume that you have significant amounts of bitcoin.

5  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 16, 2023, 01:48:17 PM
The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?

Before you write something, it would be wise to check the historical facts, because what you claim is simply not true. Each of the posts in question could have been created with the help of AI, because at that time they existed and were publicly available.

GPT-1, the model that was introduced in June 2018, was the first iteration of the GPT (generative pre-trained transformer) series and consisted of 117 million parameters. This set the foundational architecture for ChatGPT as we know it today. GPT-1 demonstrated the power of unsupervised learning in language understanding tasks, using books as training data to predict the next word in a sentence.

GPT-2, which was released in February 2019, represented a significant upgrade with 1.5 billion parameters. It showcased a dramatic improvement in text generation capabilities and produced coherent, multi-paragraph text. But due to its potential misuse, GPT-2 wasn't initially released to the public. The model was eventually launched in November 2019 after OpenAI conducted a staged rollout to study and mitigate potential risks.

GPT-3 was a huge leap forward in June 2020. This model was trained on a staggering 175 billion parameters. Its advanced text-generation capabilities led to widespread use in various applications, from drafting emails and writing articles to creating poetry and even generating programming code. It also demonstrated an ability to answer factual questions and translate between languages

Well, I wasn't aware that it had already been invented in 2018. My lack of knowledge about this shows that I had not experienced using AI tools at that time. My curiosity arose when I saw Nutilda's thread, which was created just this year, so I'm relatively new to AI when it comes to knowledge.

But wasn't AI back then as sophisticated as it is now? I'm just wondering because this AI thing has only become more popular recently, this year.

This is the thread ;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448111.msg62060187#msg62060187



A guy who shows in this topic that his level in English is not really bad, but who still forces the idea that ChatGPT could be used for language improvement.

I presume the language improvements you mentioned involve me using an AI to work on my posts, as if I'm allowing AI to generate posts for me. If you were to review all my responses, you would likely understand that I'm primarily interested in grammar correction.

To simplify:

Grammarly is used to correct grammar.
AI is used to correct grammar.

Both serve the same function.  FOR-ME



It seems that the posts of other members have gone off-topic. It is no longer related to the discussion. I should have closed this thread when I announced that I had already found the answer I was looking for.


IMO:

Bad: "Write a response to this question asked on a forum: <OP here>"
Okay: "Fix the spelling mistakes on this post I just wrote: <original post here>

6  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 16, 2023, 04:16:32 AM
The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

You've oversimplified it. Because of these types of grammar/capitalization errors, I would never assume this was an AI-generated post:

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I believe you should take a look at bitcoin. As you can see, many bitcoiners have demonstrated that they have made significant profits from the currency. It all depends on whether you are willing to take the risk. Many investors choose Bitcoin because of its rapid growth, but if you'd rather something more secure and low-risk, consider investing in gold. Here's the idea: To decide which of the two investments you should make, start with a small sum of money. For instance, you could invest the same amount in gold and bitcoin, then watch to see which one is more profitable and able to quickly recoup your initial investment.

Just about every AI detector gives false positives at some point, so its a good idea to check multiple detectors. Some are better than others.

For the text in question, here are the results from all the detectors:

Sapling.ai - 100% fake (occasionally produces false positives)
Hivemoderation (the most reliable detector) - 4.7% likely to contain AI Generated Text
Copyleaks - AI content detected (this one no longer provides a % so I'm not sure it should be used anymore)
Writer.com - 28% human-generated content
Writefull.com - 65% likely this comes from GPT-3, GPT-4 or ChatGPT (not a high enough score, threshold for reporting based on a detector should be 70%)

So yes, based on the results of Hivemoderation and Writer.com, this post could be reported as AI-generated. Except for one thing which you mentioned earlier: the post was written before ChatGPT was released.

The other way to combat the false detection problem is to only submit reports if 3 or more of the author's posts are highly likely to be written by AI based on detector results. If its a one-off thing, it probably shouldn't be reported (unless its clearly spam).

Thanks for this kind of clarification. Now, these are the kinds of replies that I find very objective and something that could benefit the forum generally. I don't like it when other posters treat me like a criminal just because I raised a "sensitive" topic.

They immediately jump to the conclusion that when someone talks about AI, they're already using AI to create posts. I think we should be stricter when it comes to something that involves money, like accusations of scams (thanks to those who are so active), rather than these mere conversations. I understand their concerns, they want to keep the forum from being flooded with AI-generated content or AI Diarrhea as Loycve mentioned. However, that wasn't the point of this thread. Personally, I'm not naive; I know that letting an AI handle posting could lead to a ban of the account. I was just looking for a little help from AI with grammar and minor corrections.
7  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 16, 2023, 03:41:53 AM
The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

And I would add: lest you end up making a fool of yourself.


You're not quite getting the point. I was referring to the post that was published before AI was even invented. It raises a valid question: how can AI detect that it's created by AI when it was made before AI even arrived? It doesn't quite add up, you know? I think posts created on or after the AI era need to be reviewed, as it's obvious that posts from before the AI era had nothing to do with AI. Hope that clarifies things.



Please don't make it "The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it" as a general statement as I was referring to a specific reply.
8  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 16, 2023, 01:30:46 AM
To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Definitely not to this extent. I think it is not acceptable. And I believe many users, who make regular reports to this thread would agree with me.

But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.

Really? I only checked the last page of your posts.

Re: BTC or Gold Investment?
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I believe you should take a look at bitcoin. As you can see, many bitcoiners have demonstrated that they have made significant profits from the currency. It all depends on whether you are willing to take the risk. Many investors choose Bitcoin because of its rapid growth, but if you'd rather something more secure and low-risk, consider investing in gold. Here's the idea: To decide which of the two investments you should make, start with a small sum of money. For instance, you could invest the same amount in gold and bitcoin, then watch to see which one is more profitable and able to quickly recoup your initial investment.

Sapling AI Detector - 100% Fake
Writer AI Detector - 28% human-generated content

Plagium.com - this text is very likely generated by a machine.


I'd like to highlight a particular point here to show that your AI checking mechanism is incorrect. There's no valid argument in this case, and it seems like you haven't investigated thoroughly before making your post.

The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?



The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.
9  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 07:43:01 AM
As you can see in my profile, I was tagged by "actmyname" as a member of the spammers list.
That tag was way back in 2021 (that's two years now) and it simply was for you to improve on your posting style. Though I don't know if actmyname makes out time to review those tags anymore as there could be users who've improved over the years after he left them tags or he just left the tags there as an indelible mark and never to be reviewed (that would be very bad). However, using Ai so as to be seen as improved isn't the way to go. It's deceitful and I believe that's why this forum frowns at it. Just be yourself.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. I think it should be reviewed, but since we don't know the criteria by which they evaluate posts that could potentially remove the tag, it will remain a mystery whether the tag will be lifted or not.

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For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing.
From where I stand, your English isn't that bad. Except if this post is also AI-generated. I think what anyone might find wrong with your posts, if at all, isn't the English per se but the way you put your thoughts down. You should work on your thought pattern.

I'm confident it's not the case. If there's a way to verify my posts using a tool, anyone is free to do so. However, if the judgment to conclude that I use AI is based on finding some phrases that I use similarly to AI, I think that's not fair.

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Your English is fine.

Thanks, that's because I now worked as a call center agent.  Grin




Still have 1 merit left in the bank, @BabyBandit, thanks for the encouragement.

I'm going to take a short break for now, have a few beers, and then check back later. I hope I won't become too tipsy to stay on topic.
10  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 07:34:47 AM
This is where I'd position myself as well. However, I've come across posts that seemed to contain phrases commonly associated with AI-generated content, even though anyone could use those phrases. I believe that people can generally discern if an entire post has been generated solely by AI, don't you think?
Anyone else get that sense?  Am I being paranoid here?  I seriously doubt I am, and if that's true it's baffling to me why OP would create a thread like this, which just invites scrutiny from shitposter/account buyer hunters.  Any good detectives want to delve into this one?

It's difficult to tell whether the statement above is AI generated content or not. But I can see that it has everything common and follow AI content pattern of writing. OP has confirmed that English is not his native language just like the majority of us here. But I'm still wondering why Op wants to appear perfect in the forum by thinking about polishing his grammar using AI.
Who said I want to appear perfect? I just want my statements to be more readable, so they won't strain the reader's eyes. And please don't think that just because English is not my native language, I would struggle to write in English. Our country has many BPO companies, like call centers, and they choose us because we can easily learn English to fluency. If you find my posting style already looks perfect, then I would say it's not yet for me. If possible, I'd like to polish the mistakes that can be seen. But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.
11  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 06:13:37 AM
Anyone else get that sense?  Am I being paranoid here?  I seriously doubt I am, and if that's true it's baffling to me why OP would create a thread like this, which just invites scrutiny from shitposter/account buyer hunters.
That was my thought exactly after reading few of OP's posts.
I'd like to apologize if that was the impression, but please understand that I have no intention of causing any harm to the forum. In fact, I want to make it more organized and welcoming to attract more forum members. This topic is one that I find interesting, so I brought it up here. I'm just a regular member and not involved in any campaign or trading with other members here, so there's no reason to question my reputation. Please see it as a topic I've brought up not just for my benefit but for everyone to evaluate the situation.


Any good detectives want to delve into this one?
I don't think that is against forum rules to use AI tools to correct grammar mistakes so therefore I don't think there's anything to "detect". At least not for know.
I can guarantee that there's nothing to worry about. You don't need to waste your time on this. I'm just passing through as I'm quite busy with my real life endeavors. However, if I receive some encouraging statements, I might find myself getting more involved in the forum too. LOL.

The tone of your replies seems very negative to me. I didn't intend to plagiarize or let an AI do the posting; it was just a simple question, and I'd appreciate some honest and sincere answers.
Well, you asked for an opinion and he gave you one. I suggest you to grow a thicker skin if you plan to remain being active here because people may say much worse things to you and you will have to deal with it.
I don't really need to grow a thicker skin because I'm quite a sensitive guy, and it wouldn't help anyway. They say that words can be sharper than swords.

Just kidding; yeah, I will.


That's crazy. Why would I use a translator if I can write in English? Your suspicion is entirely baseless.
There are some known forum members that admitted using Google translate (despite knowing English) in order to express themselves better so that woulnd't been something we haven't seen before.

At the current state, I believe I'm better than them because my concern was solely on grammar. I can express my thoughts perfectly from my personal perspective. However, I can't anticipate how readers might perceive it. That's why I was asking if I could use some help from this AI tool.
12  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 05:46:10 AM
That statement above is of such higher quality in terms of English proficiency than your posts from back in 2017 that I have to wonder if you're either already using some kind of AI tool to polish your shortcomings OR you somehow got your hands on this account which used to belong to someone else.  

A third possibility is that you've improved your English, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen with an account that's recently woken up from a long break.

The fourth possibility, and to my mind the most likely, is that he is using an automatic translator such as Deepl.com. The level of reliability is very high nowadays and they are used massively on and off the forum. He doesn't break any rules if he does that as far as I know.

That's crazy. Why would I use a translator if I can write in English? Your suspicion is entirely baseless.



Grammarly, like the other members suggest would help you in grammar.

So AI tool can't be use to function like Grammarly?



So rather than use AI, you need to learn about Bitcoin more.


Now, this is the kind of post that is off-topic. We are in the meta section, not discussing Bitcoin. Of course, I am aware of Bitcoin. Please focus on the concern I raised; it's not related to investment or any such matters. I'm sure some members here use AI to check their grammar, right? Using it to cheat by plagiarizing is the wrong approach.

The idea of using AI should be welcomed, but it must be within certain limits. This is why I asked in my initial post:

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?



Please, everyone, read my post carefully and understand it before making a comment. It seems like you're eager to comment, assuming I intend to use AI to do the posting job. You're mistaken if you think that way. Let's be more objective.
13  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 05:05:43 AM
This is where I'd position myself as well. However, I've come across posts that seemed to contain phrases commonly associated with AI-generated content, even though anyone could use those phrases. I believe that people can generally discern if an entire post has been generated solely by AI, don't you think?
That statement above is of such higher quality in terms of English proficiency than your posts from back in 2017 that I have to wonder if you're either already using some kind of AI tool to polish your shortcomings OR you somehow got your hands on this account which used to belong to someone else.  
So, you're comparing my 2017 post to the present? Wow, that was at least 5 years ago, and a lot has happened in my life since then. I've become a professional and gained more work experience, which has helped me grow as a person. I don't have much time for the forum anymore; I'm just visiting because I've heard the bull run is coming. While browsing some random posts, I came across topics related to AI, and that's why I brought up this subject.

The tone of your replies seems very negative to me. I didn't intend to plagiarize or let an AI do the posting; it was just a simple question, and I'd appreciate some honest and sincere answers.


A third possibility is that you've improved your English, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen with an account that's recently woken up from a long break.

Anyone else get that sense?  Am I being paranoid here?  I seriously doubt I am, and if that's true it's baffling to me why OP would create a thread like this, which just invites scrutiny from shitposter/account buyer hunters.  Any good detectives want to delve into this one?

Please don't be paranoid, as this thing I brought up is happening already in this forum and this topic is not only for me but for the community as a whole.

Honestly, I found the answer I needed. It doesn't necessarily have to be a lengthy reply, but it's exactly what I was looking for.

And I'd like to thank this guy below for having the smartest reply.
IMO:

Bad: "Write a response to this question asked on a forum: <OP here>"
Okay: "Fix the spelling mistakes on this post I just wrote: <original post here>


Will give you +1  if I have merit. (done, turns out I have 4)
14  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 03:30:54 AM
On the top of my head: go use AI when trying to learn how to write properly/legibly, but don't use AI to create your replies. Because are you actually learning if the AI writes for you even if you provide the ideas?
Obviously, that's not what I intend to do. I don't use AI to compose my responses. Instead, I create a draft of my post and have AI review it for grammar corrections and punctuation. Is it too much to ask for this tool?

Your english doesn't even need to be perfect; if we can understand what you're trying to say despite it being in broken english, then it's fine.

Is it because of my broken English that I was tagged, I guess, so I want to ensure it doesn't happen again. If there's a way to make improvements, such as correcting spelling and making minor adjustments, a tool would be helpful. My main point here is that the thoughts would still remain, just as I originally created them. I'm seeking some assistance in eliminating these errors or improving the text.



(and parts of your reply read as though they were created via AI)

Can you point which part?
15  Other / Meta / Re: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 02:59:50 AM
Ordinarily I'd say "no" because then it's not your own views or opinions that you are expressing, rather a computer's "guess" of what you want to say.

Your title shows that you are not a native English speaker.  Perhaps you should try learning English just a bit more - in doing so, the quality of your posts will improve and you won't need to fake your posts with AI content.

I do understand English, even though I'm not a native speaker. My purpose in using AI is to refine my language skills to the maximum extent, similar to how one might use Grammarly. It's like having thoughts in your mind and having someone more proficient express them effectively on your behalf. I want to clarify that I fully comprehend what I post. Some individuals find poorly written English posts to be a visual annoyance, but even when someone tries to enhance them, they may not always appreciate the effort. Consequently, many people might eventually give up. Isn't the creation of such tools intended to assist us in improving our communication?




I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.


What you are saying is nothing but plagiarizing, which is against forum rules and you will be banned if you use AI to create posts for you.

That's right and agree with that, so that question is already answered.


If you can't able to write in English then use the local board section.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Using it to correct your grammar is acceptable since one of the forum members used it as far as I know but blatantly posting content created by AI will get you a temp/permanent ban or atleast a negative tag.

This is where I'd position myself as well. However, I've come across posts that seemed to contain phrases commonly associated with AI-generated content, even though anyone could use those phrases. I believe that people can generally discern if an entire post has been generated solely by AI, don't you think?
16  Other / Meta / It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? on: October 14, 2023, 02:40:11 AM
As you can see in my profile, I was tagged by "actmyname" as a member of the spammers list. Consequently, I've been considering that perhaps the quality of my posts doesn't meet the forum's standards. Now, I know you might wonder, "Where have you been? It's been a long time since I've seen you" (referring to my account's activity). But don't worry about that. Let's focus on the main topic, which is not just about me but also for other users who want to enhance their writing.

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Buying house with fake tokens on: August 14, 2022, 03:07:25 PM
Nowadays, there are many fake tokens, so it is better if the seller does some research to determine whether it is legit or not. By the way, this is the first time I've heard of someone buying a house with tokens, and I don't think scammers can easily buy houses given the amount of paperwork that needs to be completed.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CHINA is against the crypto But JAPAN is Supporting crypto echo system . on: August 14, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
China is known to be a technologically advanced country, therefore it goes without saying that they will benefit from cryptocurrency as it becomes more and more popular. China has already benefited greatly from the bitcoin industry, and since they want to keep things separate, I believe this is the reason they have stopped investing in it. That is why China has banned cryptocurrency use, whereas Japan has made it legal.
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin become a global currency ? on: August 05, 2022, 02:47:50 PM
Since some nations have recognized bitcoin as legal tender, it is now possible to buy goods and services with selected countries. The majority of people prioritize bitcoin as an investment, so adoption is increasing. However, I don't think that bitcoin will cease to be a global currency after all  some leaders still prefer to use their local currencies because that is what they are used to.
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin gets more attention on: August 01, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
It's fantastic that the Swiss post office is beginning to provide cryptocurrency services since it makes it simple for bitcoiners to conduct transactions. The demands of a citizen to pay more attention to bitcoin and consider legalizing it as a method of payment will surely improve if this adoption continues to expand and if others who are skeptical about Bitcoin change their opinions and try using bitcoin.
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