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on: June 01, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
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Hey Fellow Bitcoiners,
Curious to see if there are many others around the MD area, and enough to warrant a meetup?
It looks like there is already a DC meetup happening regularly, so ideally we would have it scheduled out a bit to provide opportunities to network and share ideas!
Hai. Do you ever go to Red Emma's in Baltimore? I used to volunteer there. I'm in Texas these days. Check it out Im already trying to suggest btc. |
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on: June 01, 2013, 12:46:51 PM
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... Saying "I don't know, and don't care" is only a tiny step away from "I don't know, guess god did it." That's ludicrous as well. Saying that God did something isn't an automatic copout, it's a queue to see how he did it. He made the sun come up and go down? Oh cool, how did he do it? If you're Mohammed, apparently the sun sets in a pool of warm water. He knows, because he followed the sun to where it sets. How did he heal a man's shrivelled arm, or chopped off arm, or cure leprosy or demonic oppression? Could it have something to do with the nature of the reality? Can that be explored? Yes and yes. Does it reveal something fundamental about his nature? Yes to that as well. God isn't an end, but a beginning. Heaven will NOT be boring, by the way. If you think this universe has potential for adventure, just wait and see. ... What other of god's biblical laws are not actual moral laws, but just palatable suggestions? I've long held that those laws and customs were for a time, and they accomplished what they were there to do in history. Romans 8 describes best how moral law fits with Christianity, Its a cop out because youre using prejudiced terms, and quoting ancient fiction as though you had some way to verify it, despite it not meshing with any real world medical science aside from the secular mind over matter effect of the human animal. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: June 01, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
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Atheists are just as bad as religious people.
To say 'there is no God' is as bad as saying 'believe in my religion and follow my [insert your God here]'.
The only way to be is agnostic - 'I don't know and don't rightly care'...
Agreed. Only sort of turned on its head. -ish Acknowledging bald fallacy legitimizes consideration of it. Every time. Both atheists and theists refer to external gods, Agnosticism is internal, psychological, deals with questions of knowability in terms of that argument. This places the debate correctly, but does not entirely answer it. When you are dealing with matters of eternity and infinity, parallel items are indistinguishable, but one realm containing another is not hard to visualize. As a theist (I suppose), my God is, in a sense, internal as well as external. Everything is in Him, yet He is in me. I do not define him, but now I have begun to define myself as he sees me: I am in Christ, thus he sees only Christ in me. The multidimension/higher order/infinite/spiritual mechanics of this seem much more intricate and subtle, though. I suspect we don't have the language to fully convey it, even if we could begin to grasp it. Science used to see the world in 4 humors and 4 elements, adding a fifth whenever it didn't jive. Our understanding has grown exponentially, from biology, to chemistry, to particle physics, to informational dimensions, to quantum physics, and it's only begun to get stranger and quarkier, leaving more questions than answers. I'm not against science, but sometimes I wonder if atheists (and their satanist protagonists) are. Why should it surprise anyone if we eventually discovered that the reality is orders of magnitude more organized than we though, but we can hardly tell from the present state of continual degradation that we see on earth? Were you to encounter counter-entropic evidence, it ought to cause you to question. In closing, it's as much foolishness to say I don't know and I don't care as it is to declare what you cannot prove. (Yes, I know that goes both ways.) I wouldn't want to follow a God that I can define, or who obeys my crude scientific assessments. I tried that before, and found something that is definitely not God. Don't test God, but ask him, and he'll convince you. He knows how to. To call science cruder than religion is to not visit the LHC. To posit that the external universe is a He is to mistake the macro for the micro. You declare what you cannot prove, which is foolishness. If you cannot even begin to define reality as hod, you cannot follow it, you don't have any semblance on a grip on what to follow, besides some "sheep herder's social primer" to quote eloquence incarnate. God is not outside the virtual reality if your mind. If I am wrong, I need evidence to tell me how. Did you know that stem cells have been cloned? The religious implications of this from a LaVeyan standpoint are more approving than the Christian one. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: June 01, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
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Atheists are just as bad as religious people.
To say 'there is no God' is as bad as saying 'believe in my religion and follow my [insert your God here]'.
The only way to be is agnostic - 'I don't know and don't rightly care'...
Agreed. Only sort of turned on its head. -ish Acknowledging bald fallacy legitimizes consideration of it. Every time. Both atheists and theists refer to external gods, Agnosticism is internal, psychological, deals with questions of knowability in terms of that argument. This places the debate correctly, but does not entirely answer it. |
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working?
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on: June 01, 2013, 12:26:35 AM
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I'm assuming the bold part was the actual answer?
"So you can forget the [dictionary]. I can't tell what question you're asking. I don't care 'cause no is my answer. "?
I'm afraid "no" isn't a valid answer to that question. If you need me to repeat it, I can. Or you can admit that you would like me to use the standard English definitions for the words I use in my sentences, so we can communicate. I suppose there is a third option. You can continue to troll this thread and waste everyone's time.
I guess Ron and Rudy get to define Freedom in Standard English, then. I pick 3. No is to reject your sentence's purpose, which was to bring language's subjective fluidity into a mode of uselessness, parodying the concept that any meaning beyond the meaning you need is wrong. You, your source material, Rudy, and Ron don't, according to me, get to to exclusively decide how an agenda driven 'standard english' works. Capitalism is collectivism. Anarchy is the self-sufficiency of a blood-community and therefore the absence of economic interaction with outsiders.
You seem to have some definitional issues. Let me fix that: an·ar·chy
/ˈanərkē/
Noun
Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal. cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapətlˌizəm/
Noun
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. These meanings do not sufficiently convey the depth of the subject matter they are intended to encapsulate and limit. I like metadiscussions. Its like zooming into something. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: May 31, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
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^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"
There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals". I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll: Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22 Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.". On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong  Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals 1 are less feeble than reviewed ethics 2? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.' Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways. 3 Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children. 4 Not sure what you mean. Could you clear up a few things for me, if it's not much effort? Here are the questions: 1. Which them is those? 2. ditto. 3. ...i guess, maybe, depends on what you mean by "like" & how easily you are amused. 4. A poke at absurdism? I'm lost... 4. I am become absurdism incarnate. 3. Little smelly poo particles. 2. Meow. 1. Morals are all arbitrary inventions of man. Ethics are logic based. |
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on: May 31, 2013, 08:41:46 PM
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^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"
There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals". I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose. Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit": Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about. You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG! Mary waz 13! Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time. Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event. There are much less loaded examples, though. Just take this great God-troll: Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22 Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.". On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone: Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith. Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess. It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Are you implying that arbatrary, manmade morals are less feeble than reviewed ethics? Feeble means weak, as in 'not defendable.' Farting is like spitting, ultimately the inner workings of the immune systems of those exposed to human farts and spit, work in some rather interesting ways. Ethics bulldozes over the norm without even raping children. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: May 31, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
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I have no doubt that Hitler wanted to seem Christian, but actions speak louder than words. But, in case that's not enough, here's some words too: "I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." Now there we have the No True Scotsman. No Christian ever thinks any other Christian is "true" if they've given Christianity bad press. Ridiculous. You've no doubt sinned at some point but you think you're still Christian. So, what if Hitler asked for forgiveness for all his sins in the manner you deem most "correct"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_HitlerHitler was raised Catholic. In his book <i>Mein Kampf</i> and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise. Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis. I love your posts. What does it take for you to hit ignore? I punched out around hershey highway death penalty. |
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on: May 31, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
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How dare anyone imply that someone who abused you should seek forgiveness not from you, but from BLANK.
"Forgiveness" is an area that I think many of Christians get wrong. I actually don't think we should offer forgiveness to anyone unless they ask. The Bible says to be "ready to forgive." My abuser never did ask me for forgiveness. So I put him in the hand of God to deal with him. I felt very sad for his soul. I cried for him because I knew that if he did not repent, or ask for forgiveness, he was doomed for destruction. I prayed that he would change. The reason I had a change of heart was because I was willing to forgive at that point (before then I wanted revenge and was filled with hate) Looking back now I can see that God was very patient with him. Perhaps he had a chance, or two, or three, before he was "accidentally" killed in a freak accident. I am not sure. It is tragic, really. Hate and revenge can protect you from harm. God cannot. Youre doing a great job listings the shortcomings of jesusism. I reccomend that you read something that will help you reconcile your legit criticisms with your grandfathered-in belief. You got kids? Ask them what they freely observe about the real and metaphysical world instead of coloring their perception with insipid dogmatic bullshit and learn what god is and isnt from that. I bet you .1 mbtc were all born atheists. There are lots of "recovering christian" forums, blogs and sources that will blow your mind. Come back to me when you have looked into any of that. In conclusion, a book with less than a trillion pages does not contain universal truth. To argue that it does is unworthy of rebuttal. |
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on: May 31, 2013, 08:09:49 PM
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You seem very angry with Christians and at God for some reason.
For an atheist, being "angry at god" is like being angry at Voldemort. There are 20+ page atheist threads raging against Voldemort Youre posting in one right now. |
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Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working?
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on: May 31, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
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Glock elbow watermelon Chinese macaroni chicken?
Roughly translated, "Imtrolololllinandnobodycanstopme.exe" No, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Respond to it, if you would please. Or, admit you can't understand the question because I've made up definitions of the words I used to suit my own desires, and thus ruined any possibility of communicating. The politics of holyshit I just cut my hand on a bottle - Johnny hobo and the freight trains He talks revolution for an hour without using any verbs. She acts the rage which is most of her problem. In love with everyone until she wakes up tomorrow. Another Saturday night. Another fucking shitty Saturday night. I'm spinning in the next room. Slurring along to my isolation At the top of my lungs. I'm sitting here next to you. Sore throat from jokes about all the dumbest things I've done. I don't want to be anywhere at all. Here or at my house kicking at the wall. If home is where the heart is Then I live in my upper chest. I'm gonna drink until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. I'm gonna drink tonight until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. The bottles are stacked like they show how we're different. And that maybe if we were sober we could explain what this all meant. But pints of Vodka don't write poetry. You can't rearrange crushed pills into melodies. But I swear to fuck; That a brick through a broken Starbucks window means more. And I swear to fuck; That we fight more systems when we're passed out on the floor. Than the words of Kurt Vonnegut ever could. And all the works of Karl Marx ever fucking could. I'm puking in the next room. Sorry about the carpet, Clean it up or your mom'll be mad. I'm pretending that I'm too good for you. So you can't see the worthless pathetic person I am. Better to seem like an asshole, Than what you are. The billionth teenage boy with social problems To plays the guitar. I'm not sure what I want you to say to me. But I know the look on your face that I want to see. If home is where the heart is Then mine is a cigarette. I'm gonna drink until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. I'm gonna drink tonight until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. I'm not you and that's good enough for me. The only word that I use is fuck, So you can forget the dictionar[. I can't tell what question you're asking. I don't care 'cause no is my answer. Another Saturday night. I kissed everything on a Saturday night. I'm bleeding in the next room. happen 'cause maybe the blood-loss will add to my high I'm here beating up on you. e I'm just drunk enough to be sure that I'm ready to die I don't care that you don't care that I don't care. The only card game I know is strip solitaire. If home is where the heart is Then I got evicted this week. I'm gonna drink until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. I'm gonna drink tonight until these tears Start to taste like the cheap beer. 2angsty4u? Umadbro? Inb4 tl;dr. |
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on: May 31, 2013, 03:31:12 PM
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^ Cherry-picked quotes from favoured figures of authority =  I'd point out that Dr. Paul agrees with my understanding of freedom. Mayor Giuliani seems to be more in your camp. Nope. "Freedom or slavery, Democrat or Republican -- pick one or the other." That's what you keep saying. Find an actual quote where I say anything of the sort. Glock elbow watermelon Chinese macaroni chicken?
Roughly translated, "Imtrolololllinandnobodycanstopme.exe" Your ultimately correct but greviously miscommunicated clutching onto invalid, absolutist, inapplicable sociopolitical definitions is showing. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: May 31, 2013, 03:19:15 PM
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Also, I use the Bible as my moral compass as well when my own selfish desires get in the way of what really is the right thing to do.
I don't want it to appear I'm picking on you. I'm just replying to what you post. However, you most certainly do NOT use the bible as a moral compass. It plainly tells you not to seek wealth, yet you've admitted to investing in bitcoin to make money. I hope you make a killing, but your god doesn't. I'm just curious why you say one thing and do another. It seems to be a common trait among the religious, who also claim their book of rules is "absolute". Curious, indeed. This will sound weird to you but after praying about it, we felt like God wanted us to invest in Bitcoin. Still not sure why. We have not really made much yet (A little but we bought in when it was on the rise and our average price is about $120 for the relatively small amount we have), but maybe God wanted us to buy just so I would log in to this message board and share with someone on here my story? Who knows really. So, I disagree with you in that. The Bible is my compass. God is my pilot. I try as best as I can to listen to Him. I don't always do as good of a job of doing that as I should, unfortunately. He is patient with me, thankfully. I still do not understand why you think God does not want us to be wealthy? Greed is bad. Selfishness is bad. But there were many wealthy people in the Bible that did great things. So I just don't get it. That said, as for your posts about the Old Testament rules, such as clothing, marrying a rapist, etc. I sometimes wonder about those things too. I just know that culturally women were treated as property back then. If a women was no longer a virgin, she was not allowed to marry (She was considered used property) so perhaps it was God intervening to cause her to at least have a family? Perhaps a merciful action based on the cruel society that they were living in at the time? I am just speculating here. As a woman I should be thanking God that I was not born during that time in history! And God had rules to set the Israelites apart from others at the time. There was the laws on the clothing, the food (kosher) and various other things some of which was can analyze that there was some benefit, but others might make us scratch our heads and wonder. "DIY destroy what distorts you" Reject it and grow out of it. Could not be simpler. I goddamn expect better out of you, and as a rule, I think less of people who have yet to escape their theist chains once they have the key in their hand, as you do now. |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin
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on: May 31, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
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BitChick, men often make for efficient abusers, they are trained from an early age to be so, and to consider women to be property. The most damning aspect of patriarchy and rape culture is forcing us to feel shame about everthing, and mitigate that shame with penance to an Omni Man.
For any woman to be manipulated into worshiping a man is, to put it lightly, an abominable travesty. How dare anyone imply that someone who abused you should seek forgiveness not from you, but from BLANK.
To thank god you were not born in an era that produced your moral compass is an indication of a conflict. You realize this. This cannot be tolerated. The bastards need smashing, theyre the same bastards back then as now.
Do you think youre an exception to all these distinct MANGOD systems? You cannot be duped? NO. Unacceptable. You must grow out of this insane culture of self destruction.
You bought btc because you objectively realize it is more valuble than the toilet paper the fed stuffs us with.
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