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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★Crypto-Games.net ★ 9 coins ★ 5 games ★ Since 2014 ★ 2.2 BTC Jackpot ★ Invest
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on: October 28, 2016, 11:10:58 PM
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Those look really nice! Have you thought about doing prize giveaways, after hitting certain thresholds or something?
Thanks  There are certain problems and conditions to consider when doing giveaways/contest/campaigns with physical rewards. For example shipping, it might not be possible to ship the items to some users (may it be due to regulations or their own need for anonymity). Also, a lot of guys simply are not interested in getting physical items of any kind. That being said, given me myself being all into the collectibles section, I'd certainly love to see some more CryptoGames themed items. So I'm all for doing some giveaways or contest in one way or another. But I also think we need a good concept for it and it might be not suitable for us just yet. Could do it along the lines of how BB does theirs with larger prizes: if you choose not to take the item, you can get the reward in BTC instead (in your case, it could be a reward in whatever alt instead). |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com
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on: October 28, 2016, 04:47:58 AM
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Moneypot just likes to lose and lose. Something is clearly up here...
We are only statistically 10 btc below equity. Variance has leaned the players' way for the last few days but its not hard to do when several hundred bitcoin is being wagered over the course of minutes in some sessions. Realistically, Moneypot would prefer a slow and steady investor profit that follows the theoretical expected value of the bets placed but variance can not be tamed. Any irregular jumps either end up in the players thinking the site is rigged or the investors thinking they're getting swindled. Luckily though Moneypot has verifiable provable fairness for players and all player stats and bet information is public for investors (we are also working on a blog that shows more detailed logs of big wins so that investors have an easier and more clear picture of whats been going on). That's all well and good, but of course provides no guarantee that those who knows the rolls ahead of time don't use this knowledge to simply use investor funds as their own personal bank account The funny side of this is if these big winners had lost, investors would be jumping for joy and it would be players crying about how it's rigged. It goes both ways. The site owners can't win: either players will say it's rigged or investors will. The same pattern has happened every single time. So all we can do is continue to be transparent and analyze the results carefully. And the simple fact is if a site that doesn't traditionally have a lot of whales has one come, it's either going to jump up or down, because they're either going to win or lose. |
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Economy / Investor-based games / Re: "It's not a scam, it's a Ponzi."
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on: October 27, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
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Well, yeah the obvious ones are obvious, obviously, but that's false comfort.
Just like you learn not to buy a $20k watch for $500 if it has "ROLLEX" on the face, it doesn't mean that all $500 watches with "ROLEX" on them are real.
Yeah of course people should take responsibility for their own actions, but it's a positive aspect of human interaction to warn others of danger, just like it's a negative one to try and take advantage of the naive.
I don't really get the point of what you're trying to say.
I would certainly disagree if you're implying that these Ponzi "Games" are in any way legit or 'fair' forms of gambling. They never will be more than a potential scam until they can show that the earlier positions (which get paid out) don't actually belong to the admin. I can't see anyway that can be done.
I also disagree that there's a large unmet demand for these "games". Anyone want to 'play' them can just fuck off to the Russian HYIP forums, there's thousands to choose from.
Let's try this from another angle. You're walking down the street and someone says if you give him cash, he'll return in 2 days with double and will allow you to do that every 2 days for as long as you want. He's using a voice changer and is fully hidden behind a costume for each meeting, such that you have no idea who he is and have to rely on HIM coming back to YOU as a result. Do you give him the money? If not, you probably shouldn't be doing that online. You know a LOT more about that guy with the voice changer and costume than you do about these new users that pop up with their ridiculous claims. Yet most people around here would give the anonymous person online money and not the person they actually met. The irony is hilarious. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Victoriouscoin|2 SATS|50% BUYBACK|95% BOUGHT COIN TO BURN|NOW 5 PROJECTS
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on: October 27, 2016, 08:08:37 AM
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I think the path this coin is on is a good one, and it has potential. But I'm extremely concerned about the low volume. That makes it more costly to get involved with, and increases the cost of making an exit later. Are there any plans to help get the coin into more hands, such that it helps increase the volume?
As an investors and followers of this coin,I can and have proven since the start of this project that it did not involve in a pump and dump scheme like all the other coins that are now dead,the dev has proven that they are more on usage and stability of the coin. Not worried at all about pump and dumps... those are good for profit. What I'm worried about is to obtain 10m coins, that's about 0.2 BTC. With under 0.03 BTC volume on all the exchanged per day, you either buy (or attempt to buy) over the course of a few days or you risk pump and dumping yourself. This means you pay more to enter (as you pump) and lose money exiting (as you have to dump). It just makes it a highly risky investment. I don't think there are risk investing in Victoriouscoin,we have a exclusive victoriouscoin holders it's in my signature link where you can access premium and top level courses worth from $10 to $200 and we are posting 3 times a week and you can get all future give aways as long as you are a holder.. If you calculate this you invest $50 then download up to $5000 give aways while you are a holder,then decide that you want to exit you lose $25 but you gain much more valuable than you invest .. Is there an example/listing of the courses that are part of this? May do it just for that. Also, based on this post and the one after, it seems like you need 5 million to be VIP and get dividends? I thought it was 10 million. |
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Economy / Investor-based games / Re: "It's not a scam, it's a Ponzi."
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on: October 27, 2016, 07:49:02 AM
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They're not obvious? The last one people started accusing of scams would have turned $10 into over 100 quadrillion (100,000 trillion) dollars in under 2 months. Who in their right mind thinks that 1) that's possible and 2) someone would be throwing that money over to complete strangers on an Internet forum just to "be nice?" If you seriously think there's a way to make you the richest person on earth, with more money than is in circulation both in real money WORLDWIDE, PLUS all the digital money WORLDWIDE, and that it can be done in just a few weeks... I just feel bad for you.
Ponzi schemes might be obvious to you and me, but they keep cropping up, so obviously someone must be falling for them. I think you may be overestimating the financial literacy of the average person. Even on this forum, where the central topic is money, I feel confident in claiming that a good portion of users does not understand something as basic as compound interest. Be that as it may, ponzi schemes profit from deceiving their participants and that makes them a scam, regardless of whether the victims could have or should have known. This is why the community is going in the crapper. Because nobody wants to accept responsibility for what they do. Everything is always someone else's fault. Always. If someone doesn't know what they're doing, they shouldn't be "investing" in the first place. That's why most countries have federal laws that prohibit it. If people would accept responsibility for what they do and learn from it (by not being stupid), these things would have disappeared long ago. But until people accept responsibility for what they do, these sites will continue to be released one after another. |
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Economy / Investor-based games / Re: "It's not a scam, it's a Ponzi."
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on: October 27, 2016, 07:05:16 AM
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It's not a scam. When they make it blatantly obvious they're a Ponzi and people still feed them money, that's not a scam. People throwing money into 99% of these sites know exactly what they're doing and the risks they're taking as a result. If I tell you to give me $5 and there's a 99% chance I won't return it, and then I don't give it back, does that make me a scammer? Of course not. Why? Because you already knew the outcome. The same deal with Ponzis around here. I've yet to find ONE that wasn't blatantly obvious, therefore those that are stupid enough to send them money are not being scammed, they're just throwing away money.
If you told me to give you $5 and that there is a 99 % you will not return it then it isn't fraud because you've been upfront about the risk and I know what to expect. And I suppose a ponzi scheme that explains exactly how it works and the risks associated with it could be seen more as gambling and may be defensible. However, the majority of ponzi schemes are not forthright with the fact that "investors" are being paid by later victims. They aren't forthright with the fact that it is impossible for the scheme to pay out forever. Instead, they market themselves as safe investments, often claiming there is a real business behind the scheme. Now perhaps you and even the majority of the Bitcoin community are aware of this type of scam, but that doesn't lessen the attempted deception and make it any less of a fraud. And the sustained popularity of these schemes implies that there must be many gullible people that are not aware of what they actually are. People need to stop playing the victim card and stop being so damned greedy. This is ridiculous. "I gave my money to some Internet stranger that promised he'll turn me into a trillionaire in just one month and he didn't. SCAM! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I THOUGHT I WAS ABOUT TO BE THE FIRST TRILLIONAIRE ON EARTH!" *Continues on to the next Ponzi and repeats the same process, yet again crying because they lost, and then repeats it again and again and again in perpetuity*
I think it's fair to place blame on both parties. Leaving your car unlocked in a bad part of town may be stupid, but that doesn't mean it's not a crime when it gets stolen. Analogously, it's irrational for these people to expect any other outcome from a ponzi scheme, but that doesn't mean they aren't victims of fraud. They're not obvious? The last one people started accusing of scams would have turned $10 into over 100 quadrillion (100,000 trillion) dollars in under 2 months. Who in their right mind thinks that 1) that's possible and 2) someone would be throwing that money over to complete strangers on an Internet forum just to "be nice?" If you seriously think there's a way to make you the richest person on earth, with more money than is in circulation both in real money WORLDWIDE, PLUS all the digital money WORLDWIDE, and that it can be done in just a few weeks... I just feel bad for you. |
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Economy / Auctions / Re: [LOW STARTING BID - Dice site] ALTDICE.NET - Ends on 25th october
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on: October 27, 2016, 06:14:26 AM
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Hello, I am selling my altcoins dice game http://www.altdice.netI am currently working on other projects and I lack time to take care of Altdice as it should be taken care of, this is why I'm selling. The site exists since August 2013 but has been offline between July 2015 and March 2016. It's running as of now. The site hosted an offchain dice game which had flaws, it has been hacked. The flawed script has been removed and Altdice is running with it's legacy onchain dice script, which runs great since 2013 ! What you'll get : - Domain name altdice.net (registered at Namecheap) - Onchain dice game script. - Unique website design. Additionally, you'll get more designed HTML elements that were created to implement a custom offchain dice game. (Dark & pink theme) - Altdice twitter account. - If the selling price is above 2 BTC, I can setup the game for you and I will I offer 3 months of support where you can reach me. - Otherwise (if selling price is below 2 BTC), I can provide the instructions to get things working. In this case, for an additionnal 0.25 BTC, I will setup the website on your infrastructure and offer 3 months of support where you can reach me. - In both cases, I will explain via Skype how to manage the website and how to add new coins. What you'll need in order to get things running : - Some VPS to host the website. - Some machine to host the coins wallets. This can be done on the same VPS but I do not advise to do so. Some IT knowledge is a plus, but even a newbie can add a coin and handle Altdice.net. With the proper documentation & explanations, you'll be able to do this by yourself ! Starting bid : 0.05 BTC Bid increments : 0.05 BTC Buy it now : 5 BTC The auction ends on the 25th October at 11:59 PM GMT. (Countdown timer to the end : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161025T2359&p0=136&msg=Altdice+Sale&font=cursive ) Any bid in the last 30 minuts extends the auction for another 30 minuts. I agree to use a trusted BCTalk escrow to handle the deal. Feel free to ask any questions you have. The last bid placed after me was very late can i place a bid.can you change date from 25 to 28? Doge's bid was before it closed. Look at the times. There is no reason that this should be extended, as everything was done according to the rules. |
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Economy / Investor-based games / Re: "It's not a scam, it's a Ponzi."
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on: October 27, 2016, 02:11:36 AM
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technically a ponzi is a scam cause scamming isn't about if the site is paying or not , scamming is lying and selling people fake dreams
now in my opinion if the owner is clearly saying that he is running a ponzi then it's not a scam , it would be people fault to opt in since they are 100% aware of what's going on
It's not a scam. When they make it blatantly obvious they're a Ponzi and people still feed them money, that's not a scam. People throwing money into 99% of these sites know exactly what they're doing and the risks they're taking as a result. If I tell you to give me $5 and there's a 99% chance I won't return it, and then I don't give it back, does that make me a scammer? Of course not. Why? Because you already knew the outcome. The same deal with Ponzis around here. I've yet to find ONE that wasn't blatantly obvious, therefore those that are stupid enough to send them money are not being scammed, they're just throwing away money. People need to stop playing the victim card and stop being so damned greedy. This is ridiculous. "I gave my money to some Internet stranger that promised he'll turn me into a trillionaire in just one month and he didn't. SCAM! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I THOUGHT I WAS ABOUT TO BE THE FIRST TRILLIONAIRE ON EARTH!" *Continues on to the next Ponzi and repeats the same process, yet again crying because they lost, and then repeats it again and again and again in perpetuity* |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Victoriouscoin|2 SATS|50% BUYBACK|95% BOUGHT COIN TO BURN|NOW 5 PROJECTS
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on: October 26, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
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I think the path this coin is on is a good one, and it has potential. But I'm extremely concerned about the low volume. That makes it more costly to get involved with, and increases the cost of making an exit later. Are there any plans to help get the coin into more hands, such that it helps increase the volume?
As an investors and followers of this coin,I can and have proven since the start of this project that it did not involve in a pump and dump scheme like all the other coins that are now dead,the dev has proven that they are more on usage and stability of the coin. Not worried at all about pump and dumps... those are good for profit. What I'm worried about is to obtain 10m coins, that's about 0.2 BTC. With under 0.03 BTC volume on all the exchanged per day, you either buy (or attempt to buy) over the course of a few days or you risk pump and dumping yourself. This means you pay more to enter (as you pump) and lose money exiting (as you have to dump). It just makes it a highly risky investment. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com
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on: October 26, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
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Sorry to drill on this.
I had the impression (thought I read it somewhere) that the max winning bet could only be 5% of the bankroll.
How did the winner get 95BTC since the bankroll was about 1000BTC?
Also, the above mentions 10% and 11% house edge. Really that high?
Maximum win is based on the house edge being played. JPR's app uses a 9.22% HE so it is eligible to obtain (under the previous rules) a much higher percentage of the BR than sites with, for example, a 1% HE. In theory, the 9.22% HE means the house will win significantly more than is paid out still, but allows for much bigger swings/variance due to how much is being taken. |
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Economy / Digital goods / Re: WTS Doubloon.co | App Ownership, Domain
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on: October 26, 2016, 06:52:12 AM
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Hey guys, I'm the owner of Doubloon.co.
I've made successful promos and the site as been up for well over a month now.
1% House Edge
The package includes app ownership and domain.
The hosting goes on for about 1 more month. I can take it right after purchase or
you can choose to make the hosting expire on its own.
Buy Doubloon.co: 0.085 BTC
Bets 40,681
Wagered 11,363,808.98 bits
Bets Profit 199,975.25 bits (1.76%)
Expected Profit 113,638.29 bits (1.00%)
The site has made:
0.056 BTC
since it was made, and that is already way over double the amount I paid for hosting and includes way over
the amount I paid in promos. You can keep going and market this a whole lot better than I did, develop
over it and continue it.
Curious... why are you trying to sell it? Especially so soon after launching. Also, wanted to confirm that his earning report is accurate (though he rounded down -- it's technically made 0.057 as of his post). |
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Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] COINEX - EXCHANGE CRYPTO - FAST!
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on: October 26, 2016, 06:36:23 AM
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I just hate scam accusations. If someone sent funds to this site, you were stupid. It was clear from the start that they wouldn't last long. And if people would quit being stupid and financing these sites, they would stop popping up. This greed running rampant across cryptos is what is destroying the community. This "holy crap, I can get rich in just 2 weeks by handing someone money!" idea is asinine.
What he said, with bells on. ^^^ ^^^ That is true story but in the end, money needs to flow from one destination to another destination. No problem in that. Is like you buy something that cost X$ at the mall when you can buy same stuff that cost X-20% $ in other places. Free market and everyone decisions.  Well, yeah, but that isn't the issue. The issue is people crying "scam." If you buy something at a higher price in the mall, do you have the right to turn around and claim they scammed you, even though you knew what you were doing? No. Same thing here. If people would learn from this instead of just calling it a scam and refusing to be accountable for their own actions, these things would cease to exist. Instead, people blindly hand over their money to a known Ponzi and claim it wasn't their fault. |
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Other / Archival / Re: .
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on: October 25, 2016, 12:26:58 AM
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Is this planned to be a production type game? Like good quality? If so, may be interested depending on the price!
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Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] COINEX - EXCHANGE CRYPTO - FAST!
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on: October 24, 2016, 10:23:56 PM
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How stupid you have to be to actually deposit money into this kind of scam BS? What kind of mindless opportunistic moron one have to be to expect profit from this knowing that even if you do get paid, your profit comes from money stolen from other people.
WHOEVER lost money here, DESERVED IT. Be smarter next time and to not feed crypto scammers. Crypto is a beautiful industry and does not deserve this kind of scam stuff.
It's not a scam. A scam insinuates people who gave them money didn't understand what they were getting into. Every single person here that sent in money knew EXACTLY what they were doing, therefore it's not a scam. If I ask you to give me $5 and promise never to return it, and you give it to me, does that mean you were scammed? No. You knew exactly what the outcome was going to be. Same situation here. I have the feeling you are somehow involved in this project. This sounds like the speech of an angry admin  I just hate scam accusations. If someone sent funds to this site, you were stupid. It was clear from the start that they wouldn't last long. And if people would quit being stupid and financing these sites, they would stop popping up. This greed running rampant across cryptos is what is destroying the community. This "holy crap, I can get rich in just 2 weeks by handing someone money!" idea is asinine. |
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