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1021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 06, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
I appreciate the thoughtful discussion here.

Bitcoin is one experiment in cryptocurrency. Unobtanium is another.  
The shared technology for sovereign currencies is ink on paper, yet they are each different in terms of inflation, policy, distribution and the economies that back them.  And there are lots of them. Many of them failed throughout history.

Some people think there is only a need for one cryptocurrency, and that it should be Bitcoin.  By extension, those folks probably also think there is need for only one sovereign currency. Perhaps there is no practical or "innovative" use for any currency other than the US Dollar.  China and Russia should just give up and use USD. Euro block has problems so just use USD.  Canada, no need for your alternate dollar. Britain, stop printing pound sterling. There is no need for any of it.

For thoughtful people who care about inflation and distribution, then Uno is perhaps an interesting experiment.  There is nothing that is being built for Bitcoin that could not be transferred to any other cryptocurrency if an opportunity should warrant it.

Just because the world already has the US Dollar doesn't mean I don't see a place for Bitcoin.
In the same vein, just because the world has one cryptocurrency experiment, doesn't mean that others can't be interesting.

UNO is not the same as Bitcoin (just as a printed US dollar bill is not the same as an Australian dollar).  Though the tech is the same, their characteristics are different.

We are still very, very early in the cryptocurrency era. It truly has not even yet begun. A $6 billion marketcap is practically zero when measured against the USD.  250k cap is also zero.  I don't know what or if anything is going to come of Bitcoin or Unobtanium, but I still want both experiments to continue.  And to the extent that this community backs Uno and gives itself a tiny bit of sovereignty from those that run Bitcoin... that is also interesting to me.


Bitcoin could truly be an universal currency.  And, in that sense, how many of those do you need?  Having multiple universal currencies kinda reduces their universal-ness (doesn't it).    

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I don't know how many we need.  But is it perfect?  Is this all we need?  Are 10 minute blocks just fine?  Is the inflation rate for Bitcoin absolutely perfect? Is it always perfect for everyone, everywhere, for all time and no further experimentation is required?  Is the technology settled? Who will decide? Chinese miners?  You have a lot more say about what goes on in this community than in Bitcoin. Or the US Dollar.  

UNO is an experiment.  Bitcoin is an experiment. They are similar in some ways and different in others.

When we have one world government, one law for everyone, then we will have our universal currency.  To issue any kind of token or currency is the ability to exercise sovereignty. Of course that's why the Europeans have the Euro, and the Canadians have their dollar.  That's also why Cryptostan has UNO and other cryptocurrencies.  Bitcoin is not perfect, and its not finished. Its vulnerabilities are becoming clearer.  And if Wall Street and venture capitalists and governments and those Facebook twins (forget their names) are going to take over Bitcoin, then its not a bad thing if they disover that the water can run someplace else. I don't know if it will run to Uno, but I still think UNO is an interesting experiment in its own right. The longer it continues, the more interesting it becomes to me.

The point I'm trying to make... there's no need for Bitcoin fanbois to hate on UNO or other cryptocurrencies.  Each will eventually succeed or fail on their own, just like Bitcoin.   This is all experiment, and these are still the earliest days of the experiment. Bitcoin might very well end up being the only global cryptocurrency. How convenient that would be for governments all over the world: one throat to choak.    It certainly might, but I don't think its entitled to just because it was first.  It could end up that we discover that Bitcoin or Unobtanum is exactly what the world does not need, thank God one of the 1000 other experiments out there was absolutely the right one. We'll see.
1022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 06, 2016, 05:22:30 PM
I appreciate the thoughtful discussion here.

Bitcoin is one experiment in cryptocurrency. Unobtanium is another.  
The shared technology for sovereign currencies is ink on paper, yet they are each different in terms of inflation, policy, distribution and the economies that back them.  And there are lots of them. Many of them failed throughout history.

Some people think there is only a need for one cryptocurrency, and that it should be Bitcoin.  By extension, those folks probably also think there is need for only one sovereign currency. Perhaps there is no practical or "innovative" use for any currency other than the US Dollar.  China and Russia should just give up and use USD. Euro block has problems so just use USD.  Canada, no need for your alternate dollar. Britain, stop printing pound sterling. There is no need for any of it.

For thoughtful people who care about inflation and distribution, then Uno is perhaps an interesting experiment.  There is nothing that is being built for Bitcoin that could not be transferred to any other cryptocurrency if an opportunity should warrant it.

Just because the world already has the US Dollar doesn't mean I don't see a place for Bitcoin.
In the same vein, just because the world has one cryptocurrency experiment, doesn't mean that others can't be interesting.

UNO is not the same as Bitcoin (just as a printed US dollar bill is not the same as an Australian dollar).  Though the tech is the same, their characteristics are different.

We are still very, very early in the cryptocurrency era. It truly has not even yet begun. A $6 billion marketcap is practically zero when measured against the USD.  250k cap is also zero.  I don't know what or if anything is going to come of Bitcoin or Unobtanium, but I still want both experiments to continue.  And to the extent that this community backs Uno and gives itself a tiny bit of sovereignty from those that run Bitcoin... that is also interesting to me.

1023  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][UNIC] Unicoin LAUNCHED! on: February 05, 2016, 11:33:41 PM
Oh no! Unic has come to far and has too many assets to stall out now!


1024  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 05, 2016, 05:16:57 PM
It would seem that some of us who have been gathering Uno at these prices are going to be ready for it to appreciate sometime soon.

I'm not looking to exit, but I realize pumps are a part of life in crypto.  And I realize some buy & hold hoping for a pump. For those who have contacted me and are interested in attracting a pump group as part of your escape plan -- and I hate to say this in the shadow of Cryptsy -- but you're going to have to put some Uno on the exchanges first. Bittrex and the other markets are very, very shallow right now. There's just no Uno to pump, really.  Nobody wants to pump a coin where they can only acquire a 1% stake.

Remember the first thing Wolong did was grab control the market by buying all the Uno up to 03, I think.  He didn't care about overpaying for the most expensive coins he bought. He first needed to take control (he even talked about in his post-pump book).   Today if you bought all the Uno showing on the books at Bittrex, you'd only end up with about 3 or 4k. Not enough to do a good pump. Serious pumpers don't really care about price, because it will go where they set it. They care about control of the market. The Uno community is not offering control at this time.  Just not enough coins on offer to do it.

1025  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 05, 2016, 04:50:20 PM
I was researching price activity on Mt. Gox around the 2012 BTC halving event when I decided to take a quick look back at UNO on Cryptsy.

We are seeing near all time UNO lows comparable to the Wolong dump and CoinEx "hack" dump periods both from 2014.  UNO has traded on CoinEx, CryptoRush, Coins-e, AllCrypt, Mintpal, AtomicTrade, and Cryptsy exchanges (more?).  Cryptsy, I think, was the longest tenured and had highest volume UNO trading.  Also there's questionable data on the historic charts that was pointed out at the time and in some way may be related to the Lucky7Coin hack.



https://cryptrader.com/charts/cryptsy/uno/btc

https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/56b46f5e/

Are there significant amounts of UNO to sell profitably at market price today?

Anyone know or venture to guess what break even price is for UNO mined 2013-present?

Maybe have to overlay historical BTC/USD with historical UNO/BTC.
Hi Craig, I love looking at charts. I hope you move ahead with your historical overlay project.

Here's my list of expired UNO exchanges. I think I might have missed one or two:

Former or Defunct Uno Exchanges
Cryptsy.com, MintPal.com, Coinex.pw, Allcrypt.com, Coins-e.com, Coinbroker.io, Atomic-trade.com, Comkort.com, Coinedup.com, CryptoRush.com

Just for fun, I found a Coin-ex.pw chart for Uno
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/uno/btc/coinex/alltime

And Mintpal
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/uno/btc/mintpal/alltime

And Allcrypt
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/uno/btc/allcrypt/alltime

And CoinedUp!
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/uno/btc/coinedup/alltime
1026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 05, 2016, 04:45:01 PM

Good grief.  "Prototanium" is the UNO testnet (with a branded wallet), it doesn't need and shouldn't have its own thread. Nor, as I have said before, should it be monetised.

What the **** is going to be done when a serious issue needs high risk changes to be tested?

Got to agree here. I think the whole monetisation of the UNO testnet as Prototanium is not a good idea. I think it also detracts from UNO mainnet, and for new investors would most likely be quite confusing. I have been around since the beginning of UNO and don't quite understand the need for Prototanium. Not to mention the fact that it is already 3/5ths mined before most people knew what had even happened which could be seen as...

In my 20/20 hindsight, I tend to agree with you now. The reason we brought it back was to help Cryptopia exchange and investors who trusted the dev only to find their PR coins stuck on Cryptopia. Cryptopia has always done good things for Uno and likes our community. 

Thought I think PR is interesting, it is not my main focus. This effort was an example of our community standing up to help others. I suppose, not having PR fail in such a manner is good for Uno. I think that, once again we have shown that the UNO community can step in when necessary and maintain things, and signals our good will to help where we can.

Who knows. Maybe a dev will step up and something will come of it yet. There's still a lot of PR to be mined (its merge mineable, but don't tell anyone or my little 10ghs of hash will not earn me anything). It's sort of fun mining "uno" a second time. It is damn cheap on Cryptopia. 
 
There is now a PR thread on BCT that BN is managing, and another on Cryptocointalk.  I suggest we can move the discussion about PR to those places. Thanks to everyone who helped out.
1027  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ✪ PR(o) ✪ "Prototanium 119" <<币>> ◣Its like UNO, because it is.◥ on: February 05, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
2015-07-01 02:41:35, i am interested in seeing the old ann page, can you please share.
You can read the original ANN page at Cryptocointalk. Jimmy the Admin restored it.
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/40178-prototanium-pure-pow-sha256-rare-250k/
1028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ✪ PR(o) ✪ "Prototanium 119" <<币>> ◣Its like UNO, because it is.◥ on: February 05, 2016, 04:20:15 AM
is that 100 or 100k?
There will be 250,000 PR ever.
Current supply at this moment according to Cryptobe.com explorer is exactly 144436.499.
1029  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 05, 2016, 04:14:48 AM
Just trolling, but does anyone need to dump up to 2 tons of Uno (250 minimum) today/tomorrow at 00275?  PM me if you do. I have a buyer who will cash you out.

so do i Wink

btw - a PM just told me you have an updated PR blockchain saved somewhere??

i deleted mine and let it reindex overnight but stuck again at 12 days ago Block 173499 (Sat Jan 23 22:27:20 2016)
I zipped the PR chain and put it at https://mega.nz/#!3NVB1TjQ!nU_wcJ15sl2jHZ5OKMIT3UOYeAu1u0uwNCuuG1dO0Qg
Give it a try and see if it solves the sync problem. This is not a wallet link, just the blockchain.
1030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 04, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Just trolling, but does anyone need to dump up to 2 tons of Uno (250 minimum) today/tomorrow at 00275?  PM me if you do. I have a buyer who will cash you out.
1031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ✪ PR(o) ✪ "Prototanium 119" <<币>> ◣Its like UNO, because it is.◥ on: February 04, 2016, 12:13:50 PM
BN, thanks for kicking off the PR discussion.

I only own what I've mined over the past week, but this coin has a lot of assets: exchange, pool, explorer, nodes, still some community interest.  I hope a dev will come along, pick this coin up and run with it.
1032  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 03, 2016, 12:45:12 PM
Using the PR Windows wallet? I don't hear too many complaints with Linux builds.

109.235.69.248:65525 is a 1 year paid node from https://bitnodes.net/services/crowdfunding/prototanium-node/
More nodes would be good for PR. I don't know how much longer we can lean on Cryptapus to keep up his 2 nodes.


1033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: February 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM
PR watchers, here are nodes that are getting me connections in the Windows Red Granite wallet.  Add them the Prototanium.conf file.

addnode=75.19.27.27:65525
addnode=75.19.27.28:65525
addnode=wmikrut.com:18011
addnode=109.235.69.248:65525
addnode=cryptopia.com
addnode=cryptobe.com

Thanks to the Uno community for helping give CPR to PR, and giving it another shot at life.  I know our friends at Cryptopia appreciated it. They had come under criticism when the PR network went down.

It's fitting that the discussion for PR is more active over at Cryptocointalk.com now.  Join us there if you want to talk more in depth about PR.
1034  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 29, 2016, 12:33:20 AM
Hey guys.
I can't get my wallet to sync....its stuck at 20 weeks
I tried to add some of the nodes mentioned in the previous pages but still stuck.
Anyone else having this issue or know a solution?
Thanks
Try UNO Electrum!  https://cryptap.us/uno/electrum/
1035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 28, 2016, 03:05:29 AM
@siameze huh, stability in a market pegged primarily against BTC is pretty much impossible at this point. Maybe 5 years from now, who knows?

Against the dollar UNO has actually been relatively stable, coincidence? I guess for an altcoin trading withing in a +/-50% range around $3 for the past 2 years isn't horrible (compared to coins swinging wildly between extremes of -95%/+1000% in such a timeframe). But not great either, as UNO has slowly but consistently lost ground for over half a year now. Against the Dollar, BTC and other alts.

That might sound a lot more negative than I intended, so let me put that into perspective. Considering UNO went trough a parabolic pump in february it was obvious price had to go down after the brief peak above $4. IMO the excellent fundamentals of UNO saved it form an even darker fate. Price seemed to have found a nice equilibrium in the $3 - $2 range, UNO traded there (.009 - .012 BTC) for almost half a year after things had calmed down. That was indeed remarkable stability. I had a good feeling about the market then. I don't know what went wrong, but sometime in late August someone poked a hole into the market and it has been deflating ever since.

I do seriously think UNO is overdue for an upwards correction in price. Not some crazy ass pump please, but I think in the current environment UNO should be trading at least double of its current valuation, if not a little more. Call me a fanboy. Wink
Cryptsy's situation derailed the recovery.    There are some of us here who, seeing 15k of Uno in limbo at Crypsy and having watched about 20k drain away since November, are soaking it up as cheap as we can, cost averaging down from the the buys we made at 01, 007, 005, etc. It's not that they want the price to be cheap, or are manipulating it down; but what else can you do in the short term when there is this uncertainty and patience is being rewarded by dumps like we saw yesterday down to 00275?

Even with all it is going through, and the recent bitcoin big rally up from the low $200's, look at what just 10 btc  could do to the price.   This time next week, about 20 pumped coins that are ahead of Uno on CMC today will fall well below Uno.

I expected Cryptsy to open the Uno wallet by now, but it looks like they've gone dark now.  Not a word since they opened a few wallets and promised to open others.

On another note, does anyone remember that flash crash on Cryptsy in 2014, when it sold down instantly to like zero?  I have been trying to find that discussion in this thread, but I haven't been able to. I'd love to find the date of that crash, which Cryptsy promptly reversed.
1036  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 27, 2016, 02:40:25 AM
My patience was rewarded on 'trex today. That helped nudge my average cost down a tiny bit.

The time will come when we'll say, "Aw, I could have bought 426.9996 Uno at .0043. Why didn't I do that."

1037  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 26, 2016, 10:10:50 PM
There's a bunch of coins getting pumped right now. 
We've seen this "group pump" action before.
1038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 25, 2016, 11:34:52 PM
@FK where are the links to the proto wallet? I found that I had a few on cryptopia and wanted to offload them from the exchange...
I uploaded the Prototanium Windows wallet to Mega,
https://mega.nz/#!vJtSiRxR!n5QqzLU8TOvS6ptCi0mEcEF6bp9jjeJrnbjAGFK-DvM

Was there a compiled Linux wallet? If so, I don't have it.
You can also start your UNO wallet like this:  unobtanium-qt.exe -testnet 
Testnet addresses will work to receive your PR.
1039  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 25, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
PR/Uno testnet is running. As a test, I successfully transferred a few PR from Cryptopia to my windows wallet. I am also receiving PR/test coins from mining the Wmikrut.com pool.

All is not perfect, though. It takes work to connect my Windows wallet to Cryptapus' nodes, whether I am using Uno testnet or PR wallet.
It just doesn't seem to discover nodes on the network.  The problem seems worse with the Windows wallet, from what I am reading.
Until someone smart and trusted volunteers to recompile the Windows wallet with new nodes or fixed upnp, I'm not sure how much further I can take it.

The good news is PR now has a pool, exchange, explorer and a pair of nodes (all running Linux, I think).  Bad news the Windows wallet does not easily connect to the network. If you need to move coins to a PR address where you control the private key, this probably a good time.

I know cryptopia appreciates what we're doing. Hex wrote "the good guys over at the UNO community stepped up to sort the mess out and get the PR network moving again."  

Its hard to find a good dev, and nothing underscores that more than when they step away for a while.  Operating a coin is a collaborative effort.  We learned that with Uno when it looked dead to HC, and now we see it again with PR. There are a lot of services that go into keeping a coin alive. If HC wants to change his mind based on the revived interest he's seen here, I for one would welcome him back Smiley  Otherwise, I'll do what I can between Uno activities to keep PR up.
1040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 25, 2016, 03:28:47 AM
You can watch the PR blockchain on Cryptobe, here.

The PR wallet works for me.  I'm running it now. I wouldn't think you would have to do this, but I deleted the PR (UNO Testnet3) blockchain and download
again.

Btw, Hex @cryptopia says he'll try to restore withdrawals in the next 24 hours.
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