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That's a long building process considering how many projects fizzled out or have been abandoned. I'm curious why you haven't set up your site yet after all those years of developing. I have already given up on social media tokens but I'm still interested on how you're going to market this to the general public. Do you have any data on who your top users are?
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SED hodlers will be able to upgrade their tokens to SEDC.
The mechanism will be discussed in this thread in more detail but from discussion with some of the community members the feedback has been to keep it as simple as possible. So, that's what Ive done by creating a simple "airdrop" mechanism based on MetaMask connecting to a web page. You will send your SED on Ethereum then we will airdrop the SEDC on the Moonbeam chain back to your wallet. I will publish more details after the festive break when we can complete testing and will be open for any feedback. as far as I can see, this is only talked about in the future tense. Do we have any more specific updates, on when we can expect the final resolution of this conversion? it would be good if we had better-defined terms when something would happen. I have finished programming the upgrade that is a major accomplishment. It hasn’t been tested thoroughly yet. I’ll keep this updated and send the screenshots etc so you can provide more feedback on the process. Ps We have 2 major announcements coming this week. Please support them, I’ll post them here for your convenience. |
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That's a long building process considering how many projects fizzled out or have been abandoned. I'm curious why you haven't set up your site yet after all those years of developing. I have already given up on social media tokens but I'm still interested on how you're going to market this to the general public. Do you have any data on who your top users are?
Great question thank you. A lot of this is down to my personal persistence and dedication. In short, Livetree provides new revenue streams for Creators and Creative Impact Ventures and we are undercutting competitors fees. Livetree provides the synthesis of a set of Web2 and Web3 unique creator revenue streams: Creators generate income from a range of Web2 revenue streams (such as those uniquely available to Livetree such as ticketed live events, pay-to-view posts, spotlight chat). In addition, to Web3 revenue streams (e.g. trading of membership coins converting posts to NFTs, fractionalisation and more). We are seizing upon the opportunity to undercut competitors, grab market share and capture massively invaluable AI datasets. We can undercut Bigo Live, and Patreon ($4bn valuation) fees for example by 100%. In terms of top users we launched the app in Dec 22 and have 4.5k creators who have a combined follower reach of over 165m. As always we are bootstrapping user adoption through partnerships with leading partner including blockchains (which have taken years to forge). The build process took a long time for a few reasons but namely underfunding meant I’ve had to bootstrap and program a lot of the near 250k lines of code myself which has obviously taken time (been frustrating to the community and users who don’t care how many programmers it takes to build for example Tiktok. Creators and us all are just used to it being to an expected standard for example live-streaming for millions of people within a completely slick user friendly app isn’t technically easy and is expensive to build and operate) however, that said there were some mistakes for example the first product blossom tv was way too far ahead of the market (2018 NFT royalties  . I think now is the perfect timing for the app and we are starting to see some real traction. |
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I think the only way to do it is with a wrapped BTC coin.
No Bitcoiner cares about, wants or would even exchange their actual BTC for wrapped BTC to then interact with a smart contract. The right way to do that is building on RGB. RGB is a scalable & confidential smart contracts system for Bitcoin & lightning network. They embrace concepts of private & mutual ownership, abstraction and separation of concerns and represent "post-blockchain", Turing-complete form of trustless distributed computing which does not require introduction of "tokens".
Here you have the implementation for backend and frontend: https://github.com/RGB-WG/rgb-nodehttps://github.com/RGB-WG/rgb-sdkThere's a client for RGB protocol assets in MyCitadel. You will just need to port your contract to Contractum language.
There is a very similar, second such project and to my knowledge, they're also somewhat working together (might be wrong?), called Taro. While I'm a critic of the Lightning Labs team myself, I just found out that their latest blog post is about Taro and they have an alpha release out since September. Many thanks for the links @n0nce! I've started learning RGB schema and Taro. From my initial install I see 1) It could be too expensive to execute this on chain 2) The functionality is really limited to just sub-assets on bitcoin (and let's be honest do we really need shit coins on Bitcoin) 3) Both seem far away from any kind of production-readiness (documentation is terrible, sample code is full of issues) 4) Both solutions appear quite hacky. I mean Bitcoin just isn't designed to do this in my opinion. I would humbly propose it might be better to: A) Hard fork the entire bitcoin chain and add proper support for a totally new programming paradigm (which, let's face it, is not going to happen) B) Create a completely separate Bitcoin Bridge Layer blockchain-VM (perhaps WASAM based) that sits on top of Bitcoin and has very tight coupling so to perform ONLY very simple pre-existing Bitcoin opcodes (OP_(Math and bools) and within a maximum execution limit to ensure it is always cost free (let's say 21 operations to keep miners happy:). Perhaps this Bitcoin Bridge Layer could then support different VMs and tooling such as EVM or Substrate/Polkadot or whatever else is flavour of next month. Whether the Bridge Layer is true Turing complete or not, perhaps, then just become irrelevant as Bitcoin is and the bridge will discard anything that falls outside of 21. This would have the advantage of opening up Bitcoin to a whole new set of developers and pre-existing dev tools. I will continue hacking about and see where I get to on it. Why are you a critic of Lightning Labs incidentally? And then, you can have this N-of-N "everyone agrees" signature as a base for any Turing-complete contract you want. Can you give us an example? Well, N-of-N multisig means that "everyone agrees" on everything what happened on some second layer. Then, Bitcoin Script can be as complex as it is needed, because it can be splitted into many transactions. It is just a matter of cost. We have opcodes like OP_NOT, OP_TRUE, OP_FALSE and OP_EQUAL. There are also more complex opcodes, but it is possible to express any loops and other operations as a sequence of opcodes, repeated the maximum times it can execute (the more complex it will be, the more bytes it will take, for example "OP_2DUP OP_ADD OP_2DUP OP_ADD ..." will produce Fibonacci sequence). And then, you just need two things: one is the chain of Script operations, that will move all coins into fees, and another is the final transaction that takes the end of that chain (the last coins before being converted to fees), and the coins of all participants. Then, all participants have a choice: execute everything off-chain, and reach agreement (the cheapest and the most private option), or execute everything on-chain (that is costly, it requires revealing parts that are signed upfront (to protect Script from being stopped or altered in the middle by some third party), and requires taking TapScript path, that pushes the whole chain of transactions, to execute for example "SHA-3(something)==hash". So, yes, Bitcoin can be Turing-complete even today, but then you have to be ready for spending for example 100 BTC for executing some contract on-chain. Or you can try it on regtest or testnet3 to be convinced. But in general, it is better to reach off-chain agreement, or propose a soft-fork to add OP_SOMETHING, than to use that costly method to do it today. Thanks for the input I think there is something here which could serve as the basis for the proposed, Bitcoin Bridge Layer VM, though the op code approach would still need to be inserted into into the Bitcoin core code for maximum security. The smart contracts are currently deployed to 6 EVM chains (Ethereum, Moonbeam, Moonriver, Celo, Unique, Quartz) and I think it could potentially really add traction to the mass adoption of Bitcoin Explain me how. What need does these smart contracts satisfy to help on achieving global adoption? None, as far as anyone can tell. Mass adoption is rather not happening due to responsibility issues, misinformation and not really big need for bitcoin. Sorry to explain this a bit more, the smart contracts / potential bitcoin port are used as the underlying for an iOS/Android social network of DAOs. This app has been designed for mass adoption (it has centralised bits in it so users don't have to understand blockchain tech and DAOs are called #Collectives for adoption. You can read more about the app etc here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431111.new Full disclosure I wrote the entire stack including the app, back-end and smart contracts so am probably a little biased  That's not Turing-completeness, though. Having to unroll loops and break things down to individual mathematical operations, means it's exactly not Turing-complete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completenessBitcoin script just doesn't have (and never will have) recursion and no unbounded loops (which you sometimes need). Suggesting you can unroll any loop assumes the input of the program doesn't change the amount of iterations needed. It's highly probable that a smart contract needs to calculate something more or fewer times depending on the user input. It's also simply completely unsuited for writing a smart contract like what we're talking about here. RGB is made for that; also in terms of programming language style and everything around it. It is nonsensical suggesting OP to port it to Bitcoin Script, just because in a thought experiment, it may be possible using 100BTC of transaction fee. Agreed. |
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=У меня Android 11, установилось все без проблем, сейчас залогинюсь полажу, посмотрю что к чему. А сегодня еще мейл прислали с приглашением скачать приложение, и посоветовали забыть о твиттере и о тик-ток, потому что это будет теперь моей самой любой соцсетью. Ну если цена тоенов полетит вверх, тогда точно будет. По свопу пока тормоза (молчок). А в приложении Livetree сейчас главная фича, что вы при создании аккаунта выпускаете собственные токены, которые сможете отправлять своим подписчикам и т.п. Working on the upgrade check here for details coming in 2023 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431111.new#newWish you a happy festive break and start to the new year
Перевод от модератора:
"Работаем над апгрейдом, подробности того что будет в 2023 в теме https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431111.new#new
Желаю вам счастливых праздничных каникул и начала нового года" |
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Gotcha thank you @NotATeacher I agree with you. I think the only way to do it is with a wrapped BTC coin. I found this https://moonbeam.network/announcements/interlay-integrates-with-moonbeam/I don’t see why we can’t pay royalties in xciBTC I’ve not used interlay or heard of them before are they connected to the real BTC community - do you or anyone know of them and the validity of interlay? I’ll connect with the interlay team and see what they think. |
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@Pmalek thank you that's what I thought but I was wondering if there is some way that perhaps I could use the #Collective's Treasury instead of the native token (ETH, GLMR etc) but backed by Bitcoin?
The requirements would be:
Deposit Bitcoin into a Treasury type structure (or wallet)
ERC20 tokens (perhaps wrapped?) to be able to redeem a fractional percentage
Maybe that way we dont port the entire set of smart contracts just the underlying store of value?
Shooting in the dark here tbh. Thanks for the help.
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Hi What is the best way to port EVM based smart contracts (solidity) to Bitcoin? Is the best way to do to use the lighting network? Please find my repo on Github, full disclosure I am the founder of Livetree.com the app is designed for mass adoption. The smart contracts are currently deployed to 6 EVM chains (Ethereum, Moonbeam, Moonriver, Celo, Unique, Quartz) and I think it could potentially really add traction to the mass adoption of Bitcoin - if we can support it, however, I am not sure if it is even possible. Any technical advise and guidance would be appreciated. Thank you. Ashley |
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Do you have a written summary somewhere of the current process and what is happening with the whole project? Some of us have no time to catch info through Twitter space. It is okay as a communication channel, but it can't be primary. I would like to be informed, but that all questions are combined in one place and that I don't have to hunt for admins on Telegram, Twitter, or zoom ... Sure that makes sense - have a look through Livetree.com and https://www.livetree.com/sedc-info/I'll also create a blog on the specifics of the upgrade process asap. What about the old sed tokens?? is it useless anymore?? why change sed to sedc?? I missed a lot of information, but clearly I have around 3000 sed in my wallet, can it be used?? Hey all, Hope you are well. Been working hard, hope you've seen all the announcements I am moving this over to a new thread as I am not the owner of this Thread. Going forward use this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431111.new#new |
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Hey everyone, I am the founder of Livetree.com - starting a thread here to provide updates and bring the community up to speed. HistoryQuick history of how we got here for those that missed the releases along the journey. We started off in 2017 and launched Seed Token (SED) through an ICO 2018. 2018 - 2019 Royalty Payments Multiple FIAT and crypto-currencies, coloured coin licensing smart contract and fractionalization support. Exporting to media accounting systems. Launched a product called Blossom TV. This was the first FIAT and blockchain tracked royalties (FIAT/Crypto) system for film, and TV. 2019 - 2021 Artificial intelligence / Video infrastructure Live & multi-bitrate streaming, transcoding from image and video formats. Hollywood standard encryption. Massively scalable storage with smart CDN and optimised cold storage costs. Machine learning capabilities for image/video: Speech-to-text, object recognition (e.g. bicycles, tables), facial recognition (e.g. gender, age, race), geo-location, landmark recognition (e.g. Eiffel Tower), OCR (e.g. written text in videos) and sentiment (e.g. happy). Launch a streaming website similar to Netflix, targeted to socially conscious documentary film makers. Utilised the Royalty system build initially. 2021 - 2022 Human interface device Desktop, iOS and Android mobile app game engine game support. AR, VR support on mobile and desktop. Advanced video player for bandwidth optimisation. Launched latest iOS/Android app focused on user-generated and creator content. Built on the royalty system, A.I., Video Infrastructure and introduces the concept of royalties for NFTs, social posts within a collective (DAO) structure. About LivetreeThe latest version of Livetree combines all the technology developed over the thousands of hours and years of development. The Livetree app is available for download and is in the top 1% in terms of user-design and real-world functionality in the entire crypto space. Livetree appTL;DR: The Livetree app combines the functionality of TikTok, Instagram, Twitter and Snapchat into an all-in-one app. Under the hood, your new social profile on Livetree is your very own decentralised #Collective (think DAO) registered on the blockchain of your choice, with a unique hashtag #name, the ability to convert any of your posts to NFTs (including videos) and 1 million membership (governance) crypto-currency coins of your very own. There are totally new ways to earn income from your social posts, including livestreaming ticketed events. plus, the best bit — the entire non-profit Livetree’s social network is decentralised meaning, it’s not controlled by billionaires, ad-revenue, shareholder profit, or dictatorship self-interests. You control the income it makes and eventually everything, including censorship policies and content algorithms. No blockchain experience or knowledge is needed to use the app, just swipe up like on TikTok. The app is completely free, and gas fees are covered for frictionless adoption for the creation of your #Collective, converting your posts to NFTs, and creating your very own crypto-currency. SED Upgrade to SEDCSEDC is sold for equivalent of $1 in-app and is staked against 50% of the income generated by all creators via the app. That means the value is directly tied to the app based on a real-world business model. It is staked against the treasury and provides governance over the entire network. You can also trade it via the portal. SED hodlers will be able to upgrade their tokens to SEDC. The mechanism will be discussed in this thread in more detail but from discussion with some of the community members the feedback has been to keep it as simple as possible. So, that's what Ive done by creating a simple "airdrop" mechanism based on MetaMask connecting to a web page. You will send your SED on Ethereum then we will airdrop the SEDC on the Moonbeam chain back to your wallet. I will publish more details after the festive break when we can complete testing and will be open for any feedback. Reasons for upgradeWe could not use the SED token because it didn't support any #Collective (DAO) functionality, namely, governance, treasury and numerous technical reasons. You check out the tokenomics and contribute to the SEDC token code on Github here Launch of new EIP-6145 standardI have made a proposal so that hashtags used on other social networks, websites like Reddit can also earn for your #Collective. Please contribute on Github hereThe value of SEDC/SED is based on people using the app. Learn more and try it yourselfFor some context in order for Livetree and the token to have value and compete against TikTok ($75bn valuation), OpenSea ($13bn), Patreon ($4bn) and others we will need your feedback, support and growth. Read more here: on mediumDownload the app, it is tied to the value of SED/SEDC learn more here |
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Do you have a written summary somewhere of the current process and what is happening with the whole project? Some of us have no time to catch info through Twitter space. It is okay as a communication channel, but it can't be primary. I would like to be informed, but that all questions are combined in one place and that I don't have to hunt for admins on Telegram, Twitter, or zoom ... Sure that makes sense - have a look through Livetree.com and https://www.livetree.com/sedc-info/I'll also create a blog on the specifics of the upgrade process asap. The Illuminate/22 by @Moonbeamnetwork is a 2-day Web3 virtual conference for the Web3 community. I will be hosting a session where I will speak on the Livetree App, A Socially Conscious Web3 Network of #collectives for Creators and what it will contribute to the Moonbeam ecosystem & more! We will also be making a major announcement at the conference 🔥🚀 |
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Do you have a written summary somewhere of the current process and what is happening with the whole project? Some of us have no time to catch info through Twitter space. It is okay as a communication channel, but it can't be primary. I would like to be informed, but that all questions are combined in one place and that I don't have to hunt for admins on Telegram, Twitter, or zoom ... Sure that makes sense - have a look through Livetree.com and https://www.livetree.com/sedc-info/I'll also create a blog on the specifics of the upgrade process asap. |
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Here is the zoom link Topic: Livetree AMA and Product Demo Time: Oct 20, 2022 06:00 PM London Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84197539492?pwd=RG9iTU95WkFFMnBSckJjM2NWK0JlZz09Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 One tap mobile +442080806591,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom +442080806592,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom Dial by your location +44 208 080 6591 United Kingdom +44 208 080 6592 United Kingdom +44 330 088 5830 United Kingdom +44 131 460 1196 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5237 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5240 United Kingdom +44 203 901 7895 United Kingdom +1 646 931 3860 US +1 669 444 9171 US +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 719 359 4580 US +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 309 205 3325 US +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 386 347 5053 US +1 564 217 2000 US +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 Ill post the Twitter spaces link as soon as I figure out how to get that running. Also, in the meantime, here is a link to our Discord server https://discord.gg/YZj3QJuqwcwe have been waiting for a long time, no meaningful updates & we are aware that doing all of that takes time, but you have been silent for a long time and we don't know what has been resolved, hopefully with your meeting we will get some good news That’s fair and I will be checking this forum more often and providing personal updates. I am very proud of what I’ve built over the years and I am genuinely excited to show it to you. I hope you will be proud too. Look forward to meeting with you. yes sir, of course we are proud if we have seen all the existing developments and it is a pity if the development of these few years is worthless , let's make it more valuable , i want to know what is the biggest plan you will do for the project ? Thanks for the support. The ambition for the project is to enable you to create Collectives that better your future. So you are in control of the money you make from your online media posts and to control the algorithms that recommend content. I hope this helps. |
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Here is the zoom link Topic: Livetree AMA and Product Demo Time: Oct 20, 2022 06:00 PM London Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84197539492?pwd=RG9iTU95WkFFMnBSckJjM2NWK0JlZz09Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 One tap mobile +442080806591,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom +442080806592,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom Dial by your location +44 208 080 6591 United Kingdom +44 208 080 6592 United Kingdom +44 330 088 5830 United Kingdom +44 131 460 1196 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5237 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5240 United Kingdom +44 203 901 7895 United Kingdom +1 646 931 3860 US +1 669 444 9171 US +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 719 359 4580 US +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 309 205 3325 US +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 386 347 5053 US +1 564 217 2000 US +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 Ill post the Twitter spaces link as soon as I figure out how to get that running. Also, in the meantime, here is a link to our Discord server https://discord.gg/YZj3QJuqwcwe have been waiting for a long time, no meaningful updates & we are aware that doing all of that takes time, but you have been silent for a long time and we don't know what has been resolved, hopefully with your meeting we will get some good news That’s fair and I will be checking this forum more often and providing personal updates. I am very proud of what I’ve built over the years and I am genuinely excited to show it to you. I hope you will be proud too. Look forward to meeting with you. |
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Here is the zoom link Topic: Livetree AMA and Product Demo Time: Oct 20, 2022 06:00 PM London Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84197539492?pwd=RG9iTU95WkFFMnBSckJjM2NWK0JlZz09Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 One tap mobile +442080806591,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom +442080806592,,84197539492#,,,,863130# United Kingdom Dial by your location +44 208 080 6591 United Kingdom +44 208 080 6592 United Kingdom +44 330 088 5830 United Kingdom +44 131 460 1196 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5237 United Kingdom +44 203 481 5240 United Kingdom +44 203 901 7895 United Kingdom +1 646 931 3860 US +1 669 444 9171 US +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 719 359 4580 US +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 309 205 3325 US +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 386 347 5053 US +1 564 217 2000 US +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) Meeting ID: 841 9753 9492 Passcode: 863130 Ill post the Twitter spaces link as soon as I figure out how to get that running. Also, in the meantime, here is a link to our Discord server https://discord.gg/YZj3QJuqwc |
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I'm confused by the Livetree project situation, it's been several years and the journey of this project is not very clear, there is no future target or the next step does not have detailed details, everything is clear that investors have been waiting for a long time but until now there is no complete clarity
Hello, I haven't checked BCT for such a long time and I do regret that now, especially, reading all these totally disheartening "scam" type comments. It's really disappointing to hear this and although I can understand your frustration, I do think you have missed a lot of the releases we have done along the journey. I assume none of the product releases have been posted on here over the years and I will take some responsibility for that. I would appreciate if you could join the AMA that I will be hosting this Thursday, 20th October, 18:00 GMT 2022. You SED holders have waited patiently and now its time to deliver and the token is fundamental to the entire product. Building the product has not been easy, programmers and teams cost a lots of money and I'd like you to know that I personally have had to code night and day to progress the product. I honestly do care about SED holders and have kept going because I believe in the vision of Livetree which has never changed: To decentralise funding (the income you make from media) and the distribution (AI recommendations of video streaming formats). Doing that in a meaningful way, given the technology has been a massive challenge. It's incredibly frustrating to read that you've not been engaged during the journey. And you've not been able to see the amount of time, effort and my own resources I have put in personally. I hope in some small part you can see from me at least posting on here and more importantly from the product itself Livetree! I would like to personally invite you to the Livetree #Collective AMA that I will be hosting this Thursday, 20th October, 18:00 GMT. Ill clarify the journey and show you the product. The token (as I have always said) must be based on a real clear demonstrable business model and it's taken a lot of time to figure that out and then build it. I'll be demonstrating a fully production ready product in the Livetree App and Portal. We will also cover the tokenomics and how it brings real value to the token based on a real business model that delivers the vision. |
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Our previous posts detailed the importance of personal data and why it is so valuable... so should you be paid for your data? Instead of giving it away for free, imagine being rewarded for letting tech companies use your data. At Livetree, we want to flip the switch and empower users to take control. Find out more here: https://medium.com/livetreehq/should-you-be-paid-for-your-data-d8ba2bfaa1a1 |
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Thanks for your feedback, we can only apologise if you feel left out. We have been extremely busy. Have you visited our website www.livetree.com at all? Especially as COVID-19 puts a pause on our lives, we want to help you reflect on what is important to your life and our world. Film, TV and documentaries inspire millions around the world, but can we use these stories to bring us together? Livetree was created to do just that. You can connect and chat with people while watching award-winning documentaries that shed light on the most important issues, from climate change and inequality through to discrimination and global pandemics. We hope you’ll join us in being inspired to create a new community that will unite millions around the world through the power of storytelling. Livetree is a subscription service and 50% of all proceeds go directly to the content creators. We use the other 50% to support a range of causes the development and buy back of seed. Livetree costs the price of a coffee per month and enables you to watch with friends, connect with thought-leaders and be part of a community that will heal our world. Connect in chat rooms, join cinema screenings or schedule your own - upload your story and explore the world story map. Thanks for your support, and we look forward to seeing you at a cinema screening soon https://www.livetree.com/screenings |
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