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681  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL - Non Paypal/credit card orders. - Sorry for another BFL Thread on: September 21, 2013, 03:16:38 AM
If a lawyer approaches BFL with 50 clients and says we gonna court, BFL will ever pay up or fold up.

Yes there is a huge risk for the other customer here, there is risk, but I have personally excepted that this investment is lost unless I take action.
+ every time josh post's it makes my skin crawl
682  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL - Non Paypal/credit card orders. - Sorry for another BFL Thread on: September 21, 2013, 03:10:26 AM
I paid with wire, about 10k usd. is it possible to get my money back?
All the time they are trading I see no reason why not, but am not an expert.

If there is enough of us who have genuinely requested a refund and been denied, then we can try. If 50 customers go to a judge I can't see him ruling against them..
683  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL - Non Paypal/credit card orders. - Sorry for another BFL Thread on: September 21, 2013, 02:58:41 AM
It will be a very hard task explaining bitcoins to the judge. I think we can pay Micon to represent us vs Josh.
Do we need to explain bitcoins?

Regarding payments -  Even if the person payed in BTC it was converted to USD

Regarding the hardware - Its kind of irrelevant what product was purchased, it has not been shipped in a timely manner.

But if the judge ask's - yes its going to be hard to explain  Grin

I don't recall any posts by Micon - I'll do some digging. Main point at the moment is to assess Interest.
684  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 20, 2013, 11:52:44 PM
NEWS - BATCH 2 CHIPS RECEIVED.

Update: all remaining Chips arrived

Today all remaining 3 batches arrived. As planned, I will re-package them over night, drive to Germany tomorrow and ship them out from there.

With that, the partial refund window closed, further requests (starting from epoch 1379691600) can not be served.

There are still a handful of orders with no shipping destination given. Those will be kept back for another 2 weeks and remain claimable. Be aware that for those you will have to pay the S&H as individual orders and you have to pay them in advance. After the 2 weeks hold time, I am going to dump them and to leave the Avalon drama behind.


Thanks for your support and positive feedback. I am going to post one final post with the list of orders shipped, then this venture will end. Throughout half a year I hoped for the best and am really sorry and disappointed it had to end this way.


Best,
zefir

This sucks, Zefir is about to ship our chips (wanted or Not ) to steve, who logs into the forum but will not post in his own damn thread.

685  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 20, 2013, 11:37:41 PM
Last active Today!  Angry  Huh
686  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL - Non Paypal/credit card orders. - Sorry for another BFL Thread on: September 20, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
Non Paypal/credit card orders.

I would like to try my luck with small claims court.
However I can not do this myself (am not in US).
If someone is local to BFL, Maybe they can represent a batch of orders (and we can all chip in for expenses. )
If someone is prepared to give this a go please PM me or post.
If Someone is an expert of/or friends of an expert in US legal/consumer rights please post also.

Without a local I feel this is pointless. Without hiring a lawyer (which could be done with enough Interest).

Well done lajz99 for all his efforts with paypal/credit card orders. If this applies to you then see his Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295187.msg3164319#msg3164319

Lets show BFL the power of the Forums  Wink
687  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 20, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
any news about batch 2 ?
5 posts up..


expected end of next week
688  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 20, 2013, 07:19:42 AM
Yes, I am in contact with t13hydra - received his shipping address some days ago.

I can not held back chips at will or based on accusations, since he paid for the chips already and I am obliged to ship. Can't act as a judge here, sorry.
689  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution on: September 20, 2013, 07:17:50 AM
Hello zefir!

Could you please inform about the status of t13hydra's part of the last (joint EU) batch.

It will be served with the chips that are scheduled to arrive, i.e. to be expected end of next week.
Thank you, Zefir.

Have you had contact with t13hydra ?

If not could you hold back on shipping until he shows up again as at the moment he has :--
YIFU syndromô

EDIT : or you could just post mine to Marto74
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Yes, I am in contact with t13hydra - received his shipping address some days ago.

I can not held back chips at will or based on accusations, since he paid for the chips already and I am obliged to ship. Can't act as a judge here, sorry.

Full Respect I understand that, but if you have further contact please suggest he contacts his group buy.
690  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please send your e-mails until Friday on: September 20, 2013, 04:09:16 AM
Martin,
Just purchased 2 boards, you should end up with a chip over, use as you see fit. I only payed for boards + packaging at the moment. Do you have a cheaper shipping option, time is no-longer that important.
691  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has BFL found a new way to screw over it's customers, I'll let you be the judge. on: September 20, 2013, 03:26:53 AM
If your going to give them anymore ideas can you perhaps suggest refunding peoples money...

Damn you Pt0x cloudf#cking, really what next.   Shocked
692  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Off-Topic on: September 20, 2013, 03:20:07 AM
Avalon are shipping chips, refunding chips.

If terahash asked for a refund, you should all recieve refunds 100%
If he did not cancel there is no excuse for you guys not receiving your miners.

This is not a group buy. None of you should eat his loses.
If you do, I hope each and everyone of you report this to the local fraud department with a link to this thread.

Am sure he is lurking here with a different login. Perhaps you guys should set him a time limit to respond..

P.S. The K16 is not the only board for these chips, there is no excuse there. Ok it might not fit in the shiny boxes TH may have brought but who cares.

693  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 19, 2013, 11:48:34 PM
Hello zefir!

Could you please inform about the status of t13hydra's part of the last (joint EU) batch.

It will be served with the chips that are scheduled to arrive, i.e. to be expected end of next week.
Thank you, Zefir.

Have you had contact with t13hydra ?

If not could you hold back on shipping until he shows up again as at the moment he has :--
YIFU syndromô

EDIT : or you could just post mine to Marto74
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So chips expected soon

If steve does not show up we have 7 days to form a concensus on where the chips go and try to get them sent direct ( i see no point in them being posted back and forth anyway). So please could the other 20 members step up with your wishes. If possible I think we should try to ship to just marto74 or burnin, but feel free to suggest alternatives.
694  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution on: September 19, 2013, 11:43:19 PM
Hello zefir!

Could you please inform about the status of t13hydra's part of the last (joint EU) batch.

It will be served with the chips that are scheduled to arrive, i.e. to be expected end of next week.
Thank you, Zefir.

Have you had contact with t13hydra ?

If not could you hold back on shipping until he shows up again as at the moment he has :--
YIFU syndromô

EDIT : or you could just post mine to Marto74
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695  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: September 19, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
I believe English is Marto's second language, am sure he means disappearing.  Grin

Regarding lost funds - Am sure BKK never meant to take funds without supplying, I did receive most of my small insignificant order so he was sending out before something got in the way. He has given so much on this for nothing.

Lets give him some time.
696  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED on: September 19, 2013, 09:37:47 PM
What is Zefir even trying to say? Less talk more REFUNDS!  Angry

I guess he's trying to say that refund was not requested for the last batch, so it's going to be delivered.

If that's the case I am happy with that, I just wish we knew was was happening with the chips after that.
Even if the chips arrive tomorrow, where will they go, what will they work with?

Has the design been finalised? Are the boards/software working?

FFMG

Options, burnin or marto74's hex16, I believe steamboat has been working on the k16, I have not checked on the progress but I believe it is close to working.

Thank you johnK for taking the time to update us all.

Steve please can you post with comment on the batch 2 part. I would like my chips sent to Marto74 - Perhaps Zefir can send these directly if we can get organized.
697  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / 1 and 2 batch PLEASE VOTE on: September 18, 2013, 03:32:17 AM
Martin, I should have 25 chips sent to you from sebs GB soon. I need another 7 chips to make 2 boards. If you or a member of your group will have spares PM me.
I will order boards from your website as soon as I can secure the remaining chips.  Wink
Looks like all my other chips will be refunded.  Angry
698  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: I was asking myself the other day, "Why go with VMC?" on: September 18, 2013, 03:14:20 AM
 think we have enough VMC threads yet ??
699  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Need a PayPal refund for your BFL purchase? on: September 18, 2013, 03:12:06 AM
Add me to that list as well! just got email from paypal saying a refund is on its way Smiley

Thanks for the help, appreciate that a lot!

#41!  Awesome!   Grin
I wonder if BFL ship 41 complete orders in 2 days  Roll Eyes You may inadvertently be helping me out...  Grin
700  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: VMC Fast Hash Price Drop = 64GH/s for $1K in November on: September 18, 2013, 02:51:46 AM
Pre-Order Terms: This is a pre-order. 28nm ASIC products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 3 months or more after order.

Are we sure BFL is not starting a new company.   Grin
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