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Most important thing whether US investors participate or not is the way the token sale is structured. ideally it does not have a security character. If it is a security token, the SEC will sooner or later part of your projects. Howey test is a good test to see whether your coin falls into this category or not. But even in some utility token scenarios it is hard to assume that the SEC will be always outside. Regulations change daily and so does any ICO have exposure to that risk.
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Whatever you write, it does not change the fact that you keep this highly important factors out of your usual marketing campaign, website, and ICO sites. It also does not change the fact that you published your "apparent private rounds" after the ICO has already attracted for 2 days money. And it does not change the fact that you simply ignore what people state, "again u say: "it will be enforced", the official web site still says "it was enforced" - Jakob just pick a final answer and you ready to go! At least you have consistency then. Brickblock has imposed a minimum aggregate contribution target equivalent to USD 1.5 million - This is a nice way to say, guys even if we will make just a 300-600K funding, we will not reimburse as the "aggregation" the apparent preico rounds exceed this. And you still cannot give any name but just refer to third parties? I will make sure, that I will go with further due diligence and shed some light onto this every now and then for the sake of the community. If you are a honest man, why don't you simply put this all in a mail, on the website and make sure everything is correctly perceived and conveyed. Your own admins don't know if there is a soft cap, well at least one was close, he thought it was 2m  Good luck for the future I hope you just bring more responsibility when it comes to access hard gained money from other people! I feel so sorry for all who invested. |
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Dear Jakob, finally some answers, and unfortunately you did not take a stand about the current transparency. JAKOB DRZAZGA not stating soft caps, and misleading funding information is not a minor mistake! Especially if you make the clarification 2 days AFTER the ICO and still forget important things to mention (see in bold). Still, I want to know these things: - 2/3 of your whitelisted people were not participating and you talk about industry standards? - 2 days after the ICO, there was for the first time an announcement about 3mn achieved in private rounds, who are those investors? Any name on the website, corporate? Any link that this was before mentioned? - People thought in the community the limit "was enforced", now it is about "it will be". - There is still no single information whether there is a soft cap or not, not at any blog, not at website, not at ICO site. How can that be possible? How? If your ICO keeps going on like this low will be investors funded back their money? Especially if you guys now set the soft cap to 2 million, does that include the private closing round too and/or pre-ico? If so, then go to your website and clarify now! I only see all pointed out towards how to contribute! Or will you do another round in JAN just decreasing the price and hope for the best, as it seems that things like that can even happen with your project!And if so you need to proof then that you really got 3 millions in private rounds otherwise you get problems. It is very easy to see the future problems that will occur and you should already communicate this! So please send some clarification about the private rounds, about the soft cap! - gosh and accept that you have hidden the information so far! At the very end what matters are that the wallets currently only sum up to 340K. By the way, I have seen a blog post where you initially set the price for 1ETH equal to 800/750/700, etc.. BBT tokens. Let me know by that time you did not understand the concept about currency exchange exposure! Obvious beginner mistake as ETH has an underlying appreciation/depreciation - so you need to change it always in USD - AND PLEASE ALSO FOR THIS ICO, CLARIFY how the exchange tx will be done, spot, average, median etc.. Poor understanding, poor performance especially from someone who wants to build a finance-related product. I am pretty sure you, and your team never traded ever an ETF, if so help us to understand your track record. I can see that only by looking into the whitepaper. You simply give videos on youtube reading in 1-2min the definition of an ETF from investopedia. No single word about existing replication methods which require a deep understanding that this team does not have. What you do is you make things just worse and worse and worse. If people read all that detailed due diligence from posts before they will easily understand that every thing pointed out is a true fact. TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, SUCH A FAIL.Hello Bitcointalk community,
I urge you to do your own due diligence and not rely on the assessment of aVanos or any other user who just joined the Bitcointalk forum 2 weeks ago.
You can be assured that all members of the company spent and will be spending the contributions we received with utmost care.
We made some mistakes in our communication, but these were minor and were corrected once brought to attention.
The facts:
- Yes, we had 25k whitlisted people. It's likely not all were familiar with crypto (we will provide an analysis and audit to prove that they actually signed up on our website).
- The contributions were always shown very transparently in BTC, ETH and LTC. But we need to tell the public the amount overall so they know how much in contributions is still accepted. That's why we published the public and private pre-sale contributions too. For everybody who misunderstood, a clarification went out via email and blog post and the website shortly after.
- The max cap for whitelisted contributors will be enforced as Emin said.
So again: Do your own due diligence and do not rely on „investigations“ from people who have no expertise in this topic, sell public knowledge as leaks, or are of unclear backgroud and therfore trolling.
I strongly believe that we are building a great product that can change the way we look at real estate funding and trading. I have talked many friends of mine in the real estate and ETF industries and am eager to make it work since there is so much potential in tokenization.
Therefore we need funding, and this is what we are trying to achieve with our ICO.
So if you believe in our vision, I strongly urge you to study our whitepapers, test our alpha platform, get familiar with the team, read our blog and our website, learn about the value of Brickblock Tokens, and support us here and in our channels.
Regards,
Jakob
Brickblock co-founder
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hahahahahahahahhaha,  I cannot believe it! Unbelievable, really! Is this a joke Emin? Seriously? ... hang on again, let me digest this!!! You copy a link from 2nd NOVEMBER, I repeat 2nd November! in which you clarified the funding for the first time! 2 days after you launched your ICO already, really?? Seriously are you guys joking? And then you have the balls to ask "How is this not transparent?" Really??? Regarding the limit once you say "it will be enforced" (see post), in the clarification mail it says "it was enforced", so what - can you decide? Please Emin, please for the sake, just stay silent and let us not discuss this anymore! Let`s agree to disagree. It is not your fault you just do your marketing job. BUT A BIG BIG SHAME, REPEATING A BIG SHAME ON JAKOB DRZAZGA and MARTIN MISCHE, ex-CFO of BITWALASeriously, I am so disappointed and so embarrassed that founders of this significance took such shady steps! Apparently your community does not even know whether there is a soft cap or not! No single post, announcement, mail or medium post about soft cap! And now people are worried if they get back their money! Some admins apparently decided "RIGHT NOW" to set the soft cap to 2million, so they can use the money. The fact that this ICO has never mentioned a soft cap smells so much after money grab! Still shocked! From my deep heart, I hope you will reimburse the investors! STAY OUT OF THIS INTRANSPARENT ICO!!!Dear brickblock, Thanks for the attack! I feel very humbled and flattered to announce your surprising and breathtaking ICO results for the first two most important stages, a spectacular achievement of 278.000 USD. Official Wallets of the ICO https://etherscan.io/address/0x7b47153d59fd8427b9db946dc31690aa0292883ehttps://blockchain.info/address/15gVmu4XnBctNMeA2n4XLpF7ANxYixfmCchttp://explorer.litecoin.net/address/LX4fxDteWoy7PkPNZy6z8oTjSQrpQAfced- First: According to your announcement, you claimed to have 26K whitelisted participants. This people must have been so excited about this that they even lost their way and mind while storming onto it. Taking the results into consideration, that would mean an average contribution of 10.69$. Well, not really, as there was a min. contribution of 30$ meaning that roughly 9K must have participated. Kindly, can you explain what happened to 2/3 of your whitelisted supporters? And I really encourage you, for the sake of all future interested people in your project, bring some explanation. (hint: don't start with BOTS created by whales)
- Second: You claimed that people assume and falsely accuse the lack of transparency and trust. As wallets are open so is your Telegram channel @brickblock. I will give this community some quotes straight out of the channel:
It's really easy Jakob. If you want to convince the community and skeptical investors like me, I would recommend the following:
- Update your website, bitcointalk ANN, and emails to reflect HOW and WHEN you received the funding to-date (investors should know that you have only raised $300k since the ICO went public)
- Publish your wallet addresses in your communications so that investors know what are the correct addresses and can track the balances
Your marketing is very misleading. You mentioned that $1M came in the pre-sale, and $3M from private investors, and have only raised $300k since yesterday. Yet your announcements and emails state that you raised $4.1M in the first six hours of the ICO. The [Suspicious link removed]munity and technology is built from transparency and you are going against that. I can't trust a company that isn't completely transparent with it's users, customers, or investors. I was previously interested, but not anymore. Good luck to those that have invested.
Dear energetic ICO community, why the hell are you doing this to you! This ICO is completely overwhelmed, unprofessional and bascially your contribution got wrecked! Brickblock has several transparency issues and their ICO started way far off from target. They only raised a very minor amount of roughly 230K (assuming there are no transactions from inside to make it look more attractive ). At the very end what matters, are TX in the wallet - and this is tiny compared to their announcements of blablablablabla, whitelisted people everywhere. Even if you sign up thru CUPIT you still send at the very end BTC, so there is no such a FIAT money. In short: HANDS OFF! Always make your own research!
I dont understand this scenarios, why would u state things like this? Why would Kristina talk about 50m in 2 days and now its not even possible what Dave says. I see it got also red flagged in bitcointalk.org - agains lets hope for the best prepare for worst. Can u make some notes on that too?
im intrigued with some information that arrived to me today, that claims that u have no limit tx to 1600 usd, like u say in the contribution page. Also in the BB Site page says u raised almost 5 m, but ur wallet says otherwise.
i Want to contribute this coming days, but theres a lot of FUD .
I need u to Clear this fud NOW, and clealry for all this 2600 possible investores here.
Please Jakob update your website (as promised yesterday) and reflect the investment of the current ongoing ICO correctly as every other transparent organization also would. React to the posts on bitcointalk and give some credibility again by acknowledging this failure, otherwise we will loose trust, and more problems will come up. For example if I would have known that the actual raising was below 200K i would have not invested. I know this will make look the ICO even more unattractive but I would rather like to I “honestly” tried to participate - i dont know what your feelings are about this.
I think that should be enough, it actually hurt my eyes going thru it but there is way much, and again, before people assume, it is a public channel, make your own impression. The major point of the community is that the website misleads the current ICO progress. Thus, people started to create stir within the channel, and after insisting founders were pressured. This led to the fact - it gets funny again - that founders approach several people PRIVATELY and give them the pre-ico wallets. This leaked out, and voila so did the pre-ico wallets: (see sources below  ) https://etherscan.io/address/0x0dfCA73e0cA88bd1088363E897F42f3509B0649fhttp://explorer.litecoin.net/address/Lgsjd8uaUdAy38a6RkeBuN4qabX14xaeurhttps://blockchain.info/address/18bmciAXtmpibNffkzs1obeNtX84eon1gXAnd guess what the balance is, of course always close to 0! - must be a good life! So where is your 4 million??? To sum up it all adds up to 316K - Third: You claimed that to "have a maximum contribution cap of $1685 from each individual contributors". Can you explain this a bit more in detail? I don't see any smart contract deployed! I see in the wallet a TX bigger than the threshold. How is that possible, especially as one can contribute with BTC and LTC? We are all eager to hear this - as this is something pretty new - having a smart contract with no smart contract.
I will leave the team with this for a while, will keep you busy for sure. But hey, there is still another 19days to go! I hope you don't come up with the idea to postpone, oh I forgot this ICO got already postponed, remind me why? And another thing by the way, the more you write, the more people will act on what you say - and I am pretty sure, Jakob and Martin don't want to loose face in this scene! Cheerio! UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME THIS IS AN ALERT AND A SIGN OF VERY POOR RESPONSE FROM THE TEAM, RATHER CREATE VALUE THRU E.G REAL CODE ON GITHUB, REAL TRANSPARENCY FROM THE BEGINNING, REAL RESPONSIBILITY. As mentioned before this project clearly has put the main focus on marketing and thus created the contrary effect.
Cheerio! Spent the whole day at the Telegram channel, according to a lot of people, immense difficulties, technical issues, and quite suspicious ways of acting for my taste - I am out! Very ambitious but guess thanks to the "over-exaggerated" marketing this project just achieved contrary - a boomerang effect - and made people be cautious and steer off - lesson learned. By the way: BTC wallet 15gVmu4XnBctNMeA2n4XLpF7ANxYixfmCc ETH wallet 0x7b47153d59fD8427b9DB946DC31690Aa0292883e LTC LX4fxDteWoy7PkPNZy6z8oTjSQrpQAfced I don't get how people can simply state, or even more important believe that already 4 million is raised! I see 180K according to the sum of ETH, BTC and LTC. That is hard fact! Hope for unsatisfied investors that there will be a refund in case of missing soft cap.Edit: Just saw that there is no soft cap. Hence, good luck! Happy Halloween! Trick or treat  P.S For the future team member, soon claiming that there was a tremendous interest to invest in pre-sale thru FIAT; simply math results that first ICO round resulted in roughly 4.3% of that initial investment. Completely out of range if you take average mean of past ICOs. Again this is true fact. Best, Wow... thanks for providing this information. This is definitely a red flag if the team isn't being honest with how much it is raising. Please read my post above. Over 4 million was raised until now. Please ask us the things you wonder and we will try to explain. Please choose your source of information carefully. Hello, Thank you for your lengthy entry. I will clarify some of the points that need to be elaborated. POINT 1: Whitelist conversion rate Yes, you are right conversion rate for the whitelist was low. While it is common for ICOs to face this, we still took a critical look at ourselves and tried to find out the reasons. We figure there are several reasons for the conversion rate. We figured that our tier system and discount periods weren’t completely understood. Contributors did not know when to contribute and their discount was limited to a period of time. Registered contributors did not realise that they still had to create an account and log in. This process was found somehow complicated. While we are looking for ways to make our process better and more user friendly, I would like to point out that, even though conversion rate seems low, it can be considered industry standard. You have to realize when you say you have 26K people in your whitelist, the conversion rate will not be so high regardless. Nonetheless, this conversion rate does not reflect on our transparency nor ethics that is being criticized. POINT2: Transparency You accuse us of having lack of transparency while all you did was just copying content from a public channel to another. As you said, our telegram channel (where you copied your messages from) and all of our wallets are public. So, while you are just using public information from channels we encourage people to follow and read, what is the information you found that makes us secretive or dishonest? If you reach these information, anyone can. How is this not transparent? You asked us where the number of $4 million was coming from in bold letters. I assume you did not read our blog post explaining what our funds are and where they came from. Again, public information. https://blog.brickblock.io/a-clarification-about-our-funding-so-far-3b95ebb0b2d3POINT 3: Smart Contracts Your final question was about smart contracts. This will be implemented prior to our Token distribution and $1685 max cap will be enforced. If somebody transferred us 2000 during the discount period, we will send them 315 back, if we hit the cap of 50Mil in 2 days, if not we will count it at the main contribution. I would like to remind you that we do not have a contribution limit during our general sale. To conclude, I have to disagree with your final comment that is this project put the marketing in the front and neglected the rest. While you spent considerable amount of time in our chats, I realise you didn’t spend as much time on our blog. We have a working alpha product that is live on the blockchain and we will be selling the first tokenised real estate on the blockchain in the following month. This is something that you don’t see in %95 of the ICOs. So, I can comfortably say our main priority was building our product and doing something revolutionary and tokenised the first real estate on the blockchain. I recommend taking a look. Here is the article that guide you through this great product. https://blog.brickblock.io/brickblock-alpha-version-is-live-a373644df106If you have questions, we are always happy to answer. We always welcome you in all of our public channel and have a nice conversation. All the best, Emin |
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Dear brickblock, Thanks for the attack! I feel very humbled and flattered to announce your surprising and breathtaking ICO results for the first two most important stages, a spectacular achievement of 278.000 USD. Official Wallets of the ICO https://etherscan.io/address/0x7b47153d59fd8427b9db946dc31690aa0292883ehttps://blockchain.info/address/15gVmu4XnBctNMeA2n4XLpF7ANxYixfmCchttp://explorer.litecoin.net/address/LX4fxDteWoy7PkPNZy6z8oTjSQrpQAfced- First: According to your announcement, you claimed to have 26K whitelisted participants. This people must have been so excited about this that they even lost their way and mind while storming onto it. Taking the results into consideration, that would mean an average contribution of 10.69$. Well, not really, as there was a min. contribution of 30$ meaning that roughly 9K must have participated. Kindly, can you explain what happened to 2/3 of your whitelisted supporters? And I really encourage you, for the sake of all future interested people in your project, bring some explanation. (hint: don't start with BOTS created by whales)
- Second: You claimed that people assume and falsely accuse the lack of transparency and trust. As wallets are open so is your Telegram channel @brickblock. I will give this community some quotes straight out of the channel:
It's really easy Jakob. If you want to convince the community and skeptical investors like me, I would recommend the following:
- Update your website, bitcointalk ANN, and emails to reflect HOW and WHEN you received the funding to-date (investors should know that you have only raised $300k since the ICO went public)
- Publish your wallet addresses in your communications so that investors know what are the correct addresses and can track the balances
Your marketing is very misleading. You mentioned that $1M came in the pre-sale, and $3M from private investors, and have only raised $300k since yesterday. Yet your announcements and emails state that you raised $4.1M in the first six hours of the ICO. The [Suspicious link removed]munity and technology is built from transparency and you are going against that. I can't trust a company that isn't completely transparent with it's users, customers, or investors. I was previously interested, but not anymore. Good luck to those that have invested.
Dear energetic ICO community, why the hell are you doing this to you! This ICO is completely overwhelmed, unprofessional and bascially your contribution got wrecked! Brickblock has several transparency issues and their ICO started way far off from target. They only raised a very minor amount of roughly 230K (assuming there are no transactions from inside to make it look more attractive ). At the very end what matters, are TX in the wallet - and this is tiny compared to their announcements of blablablablabla, whitelisted people everywhere. Even if you sign up thru CUPIT you still send at the very end BTC, so there is no such a FIAT money. In short: HANDS OFF! Always make your own research!
I dont understand this scenarios, why would u state things like this? Why would Kristina talk about 50m in 2 days and now its not even possible what Dave says. I see it got also red flagged in bitcointalk.org - agains lets hope for the best prepare for worst. Can u make some notes on that too?
im intrigued with some information that arrived to me today, that claims that u have no limit tx to 1600 usd, like u say in the contribution page. Also in the BB Site page says u raised almost 5 m, but ur wallet says otherwise.
i Want to contribute this coming days, but theres a lot of FUD .
I need u to Clear this fud NOW, and clealry for all this 2600 possible investores here.
Please Jakob update your website (as promised yesterday) and reflect the investment of the current ongoing ICO correctly as every other transparent organization also would. React to the posts on bitcointalk and give some credibility again by acknowledging this failure, otherwise we will loose trust, and more problems will come up. For example if I would have known that the actual raising was below 200K i would have not invested. I know this will make look the ICO even more unattractive but I would rather like to I “honestly” tried to participate - i dont know what your feelings are about this.
I think that should be enough, it actually hurt my eyes going thru it but there is way much, and again, before people assume, it is a public channel, make your own impression. The major point of the community is that the website misleads the current ICO progress. Thus, people started to create stir within the channel, and after insisting founders were pressured. This led to the fact - it gets funny again - that founders approach several people PRIVATELY and give them the pre-ico wallets. This leaked out, and voila so did the pre-ico wallets: (see sources below ) https://etherscan.io/address/0x0dfCA73e0cA88bd1088363E897F42f3509B0649fhttp://explorer.litecoin.net/address/Lgsjd8uaUdAy38a6RkeBuN4qabX14xaeurhttps://blockchain.info/address/18bmciAXtmpibNffkzs1obeNtX84eon1gXAnd guess what the balance is, of course always close to 0! - must be a good life! So where is your 4 million??? To sum up it all adds up to 316K - Third: You claimed that to "have a maximum contribution cap of $1685 from each individual contributors". Can you explain this a bit more in detail? I don't see any smart contract deployed! I see in the wallet a TX bigger than the threshold. How is that possible, especially as one can contribute with BTC and LTC? We are all eager to hear this - as this is something pretty new - having a smart contract with no smart contract.
I will leave the team with this for a while, will keep you busy for sure. But hey, there is still another 19days to go! I hope you don't come up with the idea to postpone, oh I forgot this ICO got already postponed, remind me why? And another thing by the way, the more you write, the more people will act on what you say - and I am pretty sure, Jakob and Martin don't want to loose face in this scene! Cheerio! Leaking sources from Telegram channel:    UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME THIS IS AN ALERT AND A SIGN OF VERY POOR RESPONSE FROM THE TEAM, RATHER CREATE VALUE THRU E.G REAL CODE ON GITHUB, REAL TRANSPARENCY FROM THE BEGINNING, REAL RESPONSIBILITY. As mentioned before this project clearly has put the main focus on marketing and thus created the contrary effect.
Cheerio! Spent the whole day at the Telegram channel, according to a lot of people, immense difficulties, technical issues, and quite suspicious ways of acting for my taste - I am out! Very ambitious but guess thanks to the "over-exaggerated" marketing this project just achieved contrary - a boomerang effect - and made people be cautious and steer off - lesson learned. By the way: BTC wallet 15gVmu4XnBctNMeA2n4XLpF7ANxYixfmCc ETH wallet 0x7b47153d59fD8427b9DB946DC31690Aa0292883e LTC LX4fxDteWoy7PkPNZy6z8oTjSQrpQAfced I don't get how people can simply state, or even more important believe that already 4 million is raised! I see 180K according to the sum of ETH, BTC and LTC. That is hard fact! Hope for unsatisfied investors that there will be a refund in case of missing soft cap.Edit: Just saw that there is no soft cap. Hence, good luck! Happy Halloween! Trick or treat P.S For the future team member, soon claiming that there was a tremendous interest to invest in pre-sale thru FIAT; simply math results that first ICO round resulted in roughly 4.3% of that initial investment. Completely out of range if you take average mean of past ICOs. Again this is true fact. Best, Wow... thanks for providing this information. This is definitely a red flag if the team isn't being honest with how much it is raising. Please read my post above. Over 4 million was raised until now. Please ask us the things you wonder and we will try to explain. Please choose your source of information carefully. |
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This is it . Later on Day 2 I will have my chance to contribute on Brickblock . I will have enough for my initial BB tokens. Let us see how it goes from there. BrickBlock is kinda a mining machine that will produce Asset tokens on ETH address.
Did you actually read the whitepaper ? I highly recommend as it is more complex. Tokens are generating further tokens, it is a kind of aggregated way to processing things, I have difficulties to comply with the idea but nevertheless, as for everyone good luck. By the way, the company is based in Gibraltar. Some regulations are about to happen at the GFSC, effective on JAN 1. Let`s hope these are good regulatory intentions as the effects will be retrospectively. Best, |
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Cheerio! Spent the whole day at the Telegram channel, according to a lot of people, immense difficulties, technical issues, and quite suspicious ways of acting for my taste - I am out! Very ambitious but guess thanks to the "over-exaggerated" marketing this project just achieved contrary - a boomerang effect - and made people be cautious and steer off - lesson learned. By the way: BTC wallet 15gVmu4XnBctNMeA2n4XLpF7ANxYixfmCc ETH wallet 0x7b47153d59fD8427b9DB946DC31690Aa0292883e LTC LX4fxDteWoy7PkPNZy6z8oTjSQrpQAfced I don't get how people can simply state, or even more important believe that already 4 million is raised! I see 180K according to the sum of ETH, BTC and LTC. That is hard fact! Hope for unsatisfied investors that there will be a refund in case of missing soft cap.Edit: Just saw that there is no soft cap. Hence, good luck! Happy Halloween! Trick or treat P.S For the future team member, soon claiming that there was a tremendous interest to invest in pre-sale thru FIAT; simply math results that first ICO round resulted in roughly 4.3% of that initial investment. Completely out of range if you take average mean of past ICOs. Again this is true fact. Best, |
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Dear community,
dear like-minded fellows,
As I am a big proponent of social justice and transparency, and I would like to have your advise on this.
I am planning to assess several ICOs. My specific questions is about pre-sales. I understand they bear a higher risk as initial investment as the outcome of a "successful" ICO is not given.
- To what degree it is more dangerous to fall into the hand of scammers? Is there any way I can mitigate risk by already utilising a smart contract that refunds the investment in case of failure to reach soft cap? Or is the regular process most of the time without smart contract and purely based on the distribution afterwards? Is it common to use escrow for pre-sales in a sense?
- A projects claims they have already raised a given funding in pre-sales and thus announcing that the underlying project passed the soft cap threshold, hence the project will be deployed independent from official ICO result. Is there any way I can verify these statements? As for me this claims just sound like good teasers to attract further investment. What is the usual process to verify pre-sales results? When I asked for proof, people responded, providing proof is difficult as investors chipped in BTC, ETH and FIAT. However, is it legitimate to ask for wallets in order to scan and see the transactions? It seems for me most investors don't do their due diligence on this statements.
Many thanks.
Best,
aVanos
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