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561  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abortion and Morality on: February 24, 2012, 09:25:59 PM
I am not saying it should be illegal, but that mother should be shamed.

+1
562  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP 16 / 17 in layman's terms on: February 24, 2012, 01:56:10 PM
Ok, to me this seems like over engineering hell. You are trying to implement a really complex system to solve something you can't solve. Namely the: "guns don't kill people, people kill people" all over again. I humbly suggest the attention be put to scale the bitcoin transaction system instead, security can be handled by external solutions/third parties.

This has been proposed and discussed in depth already. Multisig solves the problem of one hacked device, and multiple hacked devices are much less likely. External security firms add centralization to the system and don't guarantee they won't be A) attacked physically or B) run away with the coins or C) screw up and lose even MORE coins. Even guns have a safety. Smiley
563  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP 16 / 17 in layman's terms on: February 24, 2012, 01:25:19 AM
Why wait 6 confirmations for POS transactions? You should just accept unconfirmed POS refunds. 6 confirmations is for a king's ransom.
564  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another respected cryptographer predicts collapse in bitcoin mining on: February 23, 2012, 02:08:26 PM
I couldn't find any mention of transaction fees in the paper. He only mentions the subsidy. Subsidy will decrease to almost nothing, but block rewards will not.

If he's right, we will see Litecoin collapse far sooner, giving the community enough time to develop a replacement like EnCoin. Don't worry.
565  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoins for Atlas on: February 22, 2012, 04:18:54 PM
It's nice to see him back. Smiley

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566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Advertise Bitcoin on every single banknote ( and make a new game ? ) on: February 21, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
I would totally play this game, especially if one gets a few mBTC for it.

Bonus points if this data can be automatically forwarded to one of the existing projects too.
567  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 16, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Should states be allowed to legalize slavery: Obviously not. That kind of hypothetical application of policy is simply stupid. Especially since slavery is forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment.

This is probably where I'm confused, so bear with me. If states should be allowed to define personhood like you say, then wouldn't some states just define group Y as not people? This group would be treated like property.

This issue was settled over a hundred years ago. There are constitutional amendments strictly forbidding slavery and discrimination.
Forbidding the enslavement of people. I can "enslave" and kill a plant if I so choose, or any group declared not persons, like fetuses. All of the rights described by the federal constitution fly out the window when the federal government refuses to decide to whom they apply. Why not let states decide which rights to protect entirely on their own, if they can pick who gets rights anyways?

Besides, this is 2012. Nobody thinks like that anymore.
Not about grown human slaves, I agree. But pro-lifers would say that abortionists think that way, and bioconservatives would think that way towards non-human intelligences.
568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: artforz and coblee gpu mining litecoin since the start? on: February 16, 2012, 04:44:37 PM
If you're willing to swallow the pill of centralized control, then are protocol-breaking changes really a problem? You shouldn't have to worry about being on the wrong side of a fork if your client gets its confirmation from a trusted source instead of its own calculations.
569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: artforz and coblee gpu mining litecoin since the start? on: February 16, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
...SolidCoin is outpacing Bitcoin development...

...We likely aren't going to extend SolidCoin outside of being a transaction based carrier, and let people build other stuff on top of that network. This way it's easier for us to concentrate on what needs improving and other people can solve things using that simplicity.

Any plans for multisignature transactions, or will that be handled externally? Gavin had to shut down his escrow service when it conflicted with the plan for Bitcoin.
570  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 16, 2012, 03:19:06 AM
Should states be allowed to legalize slavery: Obviously not. That kind of hypothetical application of policy is simply stupid. Especially since slavery is forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment.

This is probably where I'm confused, so bear with me. If states should be allowed to define personhood like you say, then wouldn't some states just define group Y as not people? This group would be treated like property.
571  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 11:28:31 PM
Oh what EVER. Jeez. Electoral college, plurality vote, supreme court... It's not perfect, but your vote DOES count!

Sorry it doesn't.

Really - the decision is taken by the Supreme Court on those questions.  It does not matter who you vote for - legal personhood is decided by judges.  Read Roe vs. Wade.

Hawker, over the last few months you've shown a pattern of behavior that boils down to arguing semantics and is=ought. Yes, I know that judges rule on personhood... Based on laws passed by the other two branches of government. As I explained above, a lack of direct control over the constitution does not prevent the president from exerting tremendous influence by playing politics.

Rather than assigning lengthy reading material to display your own superior knowledge and passive-aggressively insult me, you could actually try for a moment to honestly express your own views (if you have them).
572  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 11:11:24 PM
So my question to you guys, if I may repeat - what level of government should be responsible for
A. deciding legal personhood, and
B. protecting human rights?

Ideally, no level of gov't should be interfering in the personal actions of individuals, as long as they're not harming others. Since that's unfortunately not possible, it should absolutely be left up to the states. That's at least the fairest possible way.

What's more though, is that the gov't should not really be involved in this at all! Healthcare has survived independent of the gov't for millennia. Since the gov't takeover, things have only gotten worse. Ron Paul will fix this by privatizing the healthcare industry once again, which will be good because we'll all actually be able to take care of ourselves once our dollar is stronger (or if everyone starts using bitcoins Wink ).

Seriously though, I cannot even fathom how you think that abortion is a big issue right now. We're fighting multiple wars, on the verge of a couple more, and the U.S. and world economies are crashing. And you want to talk about.... abortion. Come on.

Thank you for answering my question. Follow-up question: If states are deciding personhood, then shouldn't they be allowed to legalize slavery, or abolish corporate personhood, or extend personhood to apes?

I agree with you about which issues are biggest, and they'll probably influence my vote more than abortion as well. I just doubt that many of us here actually disagree about the wars.



I'm also strongly against a biological definition of personhood; I believe in defining personhood by mental ability. This precedent will have significant consequences for future generations and I won't ignore it just because, like always, there are pressing immediate issues.

I too don't want to quote the flame war above, but I will make this assertion:
1. All people own themselves.
2. Women are people.
3. First trimester fetuses are not people because they lack any mental ability.
4. People have a right to do as they wish with their property IFF it does not interfere with the rights of others.
Therefore,
5. Women have a right to abort.

If fetuses ARE people, the whole thing falls apart and the fetus has a right to live. Either way, it's a matter of rights and personhood, just like slavery and corporations.
573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Epic Fail Currency? 'Occcu' on: February 15, 2012, 06:12:55 PM
It would be interesting if your forum posts had demurrage Cheesy

I just imagined LoupGaroux's eloquent essays slowly degenerating into psy's crude attempts to smash his fists on the keyboard.  Grin
574  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
Oh what EVER. Jeez. Electoral college, plurality vote, supreme court... It's not perfect, but your vote DOES count!
575  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
Of the above terrible choices I picked Ron Paul. But I can certainly understand why libertarians wouldn't support a man who would would threaten women's self-ownership.

Doesn't he simply say it's not an issue that should be decided by the federal government. Yep, I think that's his stance. Sounds good to me.

At what level do you think legal personhood and human rights protection SHOULD be decided? Shall we leave slavery up to the states too?

Nice red herring, but regardless of your views on slavery, your original statement was not correct. Ron Paul is not a threat to women's "self-ownership." He is against any kind of federal abortion police.

Slavery is not a fair comparison because slaves couldn't move to a different state (without getting the dogs sent after them).  Free women can.

It's not only a completely different issue, the entire "I don't support Ron Paul because of my views on abortion" is a very dishonest (or ignorant) argument. Ron Paul is not going to pass laws that hurt anyone concerned with abortion rights. So that should be the least of your concerns, even if you're a one-issue voter.

I personally am very pro-abortion (haha). But I agree with Ron Paul in principle - as an OBGYN he just believes that a person is a person earlier in the process than I do. I don't think we should legalize killing infants because their mother's lives might be inconvenienced, and many abortions are done for this reason. If you think that the fetus has rights at some point, abortion past that point is indeed murder.

Again - luckily - this shouldn't be an issue in deciding whether or not to vote for Ron Paul. Just like the fact that he's a Christian shouldn't be. Because he's a strict constitutionalist, we can disagree about these philosophical issues and not have to worry about him passing laws that violate our rights. Instead, he will focus on fixing things that have sent us hurtling down the path to destruction, like trying to police the world.

First of all, I'm in agreement that he's the least bad of the above choices. I might even vote for him anyways, because yeah there are other issues. Personal accusations of dishonesty hurt my feelings, so I would rather discuss Paul and his positions... Maybe I'm just ignorant about something, please give me the benefit of the doubt. This is one of those few internet arguments you could actually "win". Smiley

Paul certainly COULD sign laws that would harm abortion rights, he does have influence over the issue. Even in the case of constitutional amendments, the president can and will trade favors to influence the outcome. We're talking about making someone one of the most powerful men on Earth.

Slavery (and corporate personhood) are valid comparisons with regards to legal personhood being determined at the federal level. It's easy for us rich folks to just waltz across state borders, but for pregnant women facing social stigma and possible poverty, even local prohibition is a huge disincentive to abort. Slaves could run away too, but I'd rather we focus on this topic rather than play the analogy game all week.

So my question to you guys, if I may repeat - what level of government should be responsible for
A. deciding legal personhood, and
B. protecting human rights?
576  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 04:15:32 PM
Of the above terrible choices I picked Ron Paul. But I can certainly understand why libertarians wouldn't support a man who would would threaten women's self-ownership.

Doesn't he simply say it's not an issue that should be decided by the federal government. Yep, I think that's his stance. Sounds good to me.

At what level do you think legal personhood and human rights protection SHOULD be decided? Shall we leave slavery up to the states too?
577  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you support for president? on: February 15, 2012, 12:26:07 AM
Of the above terrible choices I picked Ron Paul. But I can certainly understand why libertarians wouldn't support a man who would would threaten women's self-ownership.
578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Epic Fail Currency? 'Occcu' on: February 14, 2012, 01:53:58 AM
signed up, still have 0 Occcus days later

Guess Occupy movement doesn't want me to have a Mincome.
That's weird, I got my 20 immediately upon joining.
579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Epic Fail Currency? 'Occcu' on: February 13, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_guarantee#Criticisms
580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New Epic Fail Currency? 'Occcu' on: February 13, 2012, 09:59:35 PM
Anyway -- there is a lot you could argue about CI, but "needs a surplus" is not one of them.

Sure it is. You can create part of that surplus by eliminating all or much of the social benefits of today, including it's bureaucracy, but that is insufficient. Any basic income that deserves the name must allow people to actually survive on it. It must be paid from revenues (taxes, oil revenue....) it cannot be paid with debts.

It's a real bad dilemma. Increased productivity and more AI may well toss us into poorhouses without basic income (http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm), but basic income reduces competitiveness. In the end, the future may really not need us.

Only way out I see is to keep the economy growing until we're ready. Spacesteading and Seasteading may do the trick.

First off, thanks for the interesting story - I got halfway through the first chapter before I realized it was fiction. Tongue

Back on topic - a basic income only reduces human labor by about five percent, which IMHO doesn't outweigh the benefit of a more just society, especially as robot labor grows and this penalty decreases. Maybe even when we have everything we need, greed continues to motivate the selfish.
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