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61  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service 0.2Ƀ LOGOS on: June 12, 2015, 09:04:27 AM
Available for projects.
62  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service 0.1Ƀ LOGOS (ALMOST GONE) on: June 10, 2015, 03:06:17 PM
Last offer still standing.
63  Economy / Services / Re: need design for personal logo on: June 10, 2015, 02:22:09 AM
Shouldn't you just go to fiverr?
64  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service 0.1Ƀ LOGOS (LIMITED TIME) on: June 09, 2015, 01:18:27 PM
Huge apology to Manekari, for not being able to complete the specified logo in the provided time frame. I will offer a extreme reduction to the price for the next project Manekari starts with me, if that happens.

As a result, there is one available logo for the huge price reduction if anyone wants to give me a shot.

 
65  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service 0.1Ƀ LOGOS (LIMITED TIME) on: June 07, 2015, 07:19:12 AM
Available for 2 more logos.
66  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service 0.1Ƀ LOGOS (LIMITED TIME) on: June 05, 2015, 06:55:07 PM
Hey guys, doing a special promotional offer to help get my name out there. I'm offering professional high quality logos, for a huge price reduction, doing only 0.1Ƀ per logo. I'm only extending this offer for the next 3 logo commissions, so if you were thinking of hiring me for a logo before, now would be an excellent time to see what I could do.

Thanks.
67  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: June 03, 2015, 01:19:26 AM
Hey guys, thanks a ton for the support. It seems I just have to work harder on my graphics and stand out from the rest. Still, that's pretty hard with all of the good talent on the forum. I'll try my best. Thanks again guys.
68  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for New professional logo.Funds Escrowed [Extended to May 31, 2015] on: June 01, 2015, 01:48:04 AM
Fellow designers, please do not join contests like this, we deserve healthy wages and respect! Don't be tricked by promises of "Exposure", because I'm sure you can't pay bills with "Exposure".

Thing is that if we don't join this contest, someone else will and they will receive the bounty.
In order for your idea to work, every single designer would have to agree not to join these contests.

I don't think that would happen, but I'd like to see it do.
I understand your reasoning behind this.

"If you don't get the table scraps someone will".
But you see, if people are aware of the situation, and walk away from this, then all that's left over are the designers who do not take this trade seriously. And when that happens, these sort of contests will start to dwindle. Because of the extreme poor quality of work that would be submitted.

It balances out eventually but it requires awareness of what joining these contests do to digital art work.

I don't expect you to walk away, but only want people to consider.. Is it really worth it? Fighting tooth and nail for $20 for a company to make tons of profit off of? To spend your time and effort to not be even guaranteed that small pittance of money.

Most of these contest hosts say that everyone wins; Exposure, Experience, Building portfolios

This is mostly adressing anyone who would justify participating in these contests, and not specifically to you SwingFirst

Exposure: You show that you don't respect your work enough to be paid a real wage or commission. That you're so desperate for money, that you're willing to work in conditions that any other self respecting artist would cringe at. These are good things to expose. They are very bad things, that real clients who respect digital art would turn away from in a heart beat.

Experience: The experience that is promised, is not healthy healthy is experience. The only experience that a designer could get from this, is the experience of being disrespected. Competing for table scraps. These extremely toxic experiences to have. The sort of experience that a designer should have, is the experience of drafting, client briefs, and healthy design principles. You will none of this, because you are literally trying to dump out as many submissions as you can. In what way is that healthy?

Building Portfolio: Building portfolio is extremely important, and any designer needs to do this if they want to find potential work. However, there are so many other ways to build up a portfolio. Other healthy ways. Rather than competing with others for a wage, why not offer a temporary reduced rate to a few clients, on your own terms? Or perhaps, build a portfolio up from taking courses, or donating to a non-profit organization? Any way that you can build a portfolio, without destroying the very trade that you're building up your portfolio to join in? It doesn't make sense.

And this is all under the guise of just one person will be getting compensated (poorly) out of everyone who joins.

If more and more designers become aware of what the consequences of joining these contests are, the more reluctant these designers will be for the next 0.1 BTC contest. If that happens, the less quality work will be submitted, and the less we'll see of these sort of contests.

In turn, we'll start seeing companies and startups approach designers with real commissions and real wages.

But one thing is for sure, it all starts in these threads, raising awareness and coming together as a community of designers, rather that viewing each other as enemies or rivals.
69  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for New professional logo.Funds Escrowed [Extended to May 31, 2015] on: June 01, 2015, 12:59:34 AM
I was excited to help with your logo here... then I saw it was spec work. First of all that is a pathetic amount to offer anyone for a decent logo even on a contract basis. Usually people running these spec work contests at least compensate for the potential of not getting paid by increasing the amount above what a normal contract cost would be. You however have done the exact opposite... and you get what you pay for, a bunch of half ass garbage.

I implore any designers reading this not to participate in any kind of spec work, because it reduces all designer's ability to earn a living. Would this type of setup be considered acceptable in any other industry? Stop treating designers like bitches and pay them a fair fee. Designers, stop being bitches and demand fair payment for your work.

http://www.nospec.com/


As a fellow designer, I wholeheartedly stand by TECSHARE.

These shady and immoral business practices need to stop. Stop taking advantage of designers trying to make money, and actually pay for fair wage.

In what world is it fair to make profits under someone's by paying a feeble table scrap wage. These contests are wrong, and it warms my heart to see that there are other designers who not only feel the same way, but are willing to take a stand for it.

In any other industry this would be illegal in most countries.

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I did not made this post to simply argue with you nor make some scene. I respect your opinion on the matter. But that doesn't stop the fact that i can still continue with the contest and reward people that really deserves it.

I don't really see the point of you coming to this thread and trying to argue with something you do not have control to.  But anyway, you have a nice day.  Wink

This is a public post, and as long as there is no flaming or off-topic discussion, there's really nothing you can do about it either. Someone who thinks that this sort of contest is okay wouldn't understand.

However, the hope is that this reaches other graphics designers, to show them that participating in this kind of crap is extremely toxic to ALL GRAPHICS/ART TRADE. By participating in this sort of contest, shows it's okay to host contests like this by people like you. If that were to continue, the overall value of our design services will be extremely devalued, and serious designers can no longer make a living.

Fellow designers, please do not join contests like this, we deserve healthy wages and respect! Don't be tricked by promises of "Exposure", because I'm sure you can't pay bills with "Exposure".


70  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 31, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
You just can't eat when competition is selling their services for $5-$10
71  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 30, 2015, 10:33:07 AM
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72  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 27, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Thank you for the important knowledge and truly said that. But the problem is that people are ready to work in cheap contest and that's the main reason that these contests are increasing day by day.
Yes, absolutely, I agree with you 100%.
What would have to happen is that, the talented graphics designers would have to pull away from said contests. Leaving the not so refined designers to do the work. If this were to happen, companies would shy from doing these contests.

Yeah and they must understand that if they are not respecting their own work why will others ? Also a desperate designer looks unprofessional and is less likely to be given a contract Sad
I totally agree.

It's becoming common that businesses have been approaching me with proposals, only to pull off a no-spec contest. At that point, my respect for that entity completely goes.

And graphics designers who are willing to throw away their self respect and drown the trade are joining them for "Quick bucks". But I understand that this is a freemarket. So there's nothing I can really do, but try to spread awareness of this extremely terrible practice.

Glad you agreed Smiley and hope you get some works, because I personally love your work Smiley
Hey, thanks again. You're always welcome on my thread.
73  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 26, 2015, 06:48:40 PM
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74  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 25, 2015, 08:58:23 PM
Thank you for the important knowledge and truly said that. But the problem is that people are ready to work in cheap contest and that's the main reason that these contests are increasing day by day.
Yes, absolutely, I agree with you 100%.
What would have to happen is that, the talented graphics designers would have to pull away from said contests. Leaving the not so refined designers to do the work. If this were to happen, companies would shy from doing these contests.

Yeah and they must understand that if they are not respecting their own work why will others ? Also a desperate designer looks unprofessional and is less likely to be given a contract Sad
I totally agree.

It's becoming common that businesses have been approaching me with proposals, only to pull off a no-spec contest. At that point, my respect for that entity completely goes.

And graphics designers who are willing to throw away their self respect and drown the trade are joining them for "Quick bucks". But I understand that this is a freemarket. So there's nothing I can really do, but try to spread awareness of this extremely terrible practice.
75  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 25, 2015, 06:24:11 PM
Thank you for the important knowledge and truly said that. But the problem is that people are ready to work in cheap contest and that's the main reason that these contests are increasing day by day.
Yes, absolutely, I agree with you 100%.
What would have to happen is that, the talented graphics designers would have to pull away from said contests. Leaving the not so refined designers to do the work. If this were to happen, companies would shy from doing these contests.
76  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 25, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
Well here's the thing, I've never seen a contest on bitcointalk that actually paid a fair wage for graphics designers.

Every single one of these contest's 'prizes' are quarterly of what should be paid to a designer. And every single designer worth their weight will tell you that.

So basically, any designer who joins in these sort of contests, show other entrepreneurs and potential start-ups, that it's perfectly fine to pay 20 bucks for a company image. Thus, hurting our trade overall. If people's expectation for a service lowers, then designers need to charge lower to get clients.

And all of this under the guise of "Oh, but all the designers will get exposure and everyone wins!". No. That is absolutely untrue. The only one that wins, is the person who hosts said no-spec contest.

Even the designer that wins the contest will eventually lose, when suddenly, the only way he can make a living is by selling $5 logos and graphics. And all the people who entered that contest? They won't see a single penny of compensation for their time, and will suffer this very same situation of lowered price expectation of their trade.

So in short, Design contests, are absolutely toxic.

Companies that are willing to run them? Absolutely toxic, and will never have my business. Because it shows the lack of respect for the trade, and stinginess, and lack of ethics to expect 10 people to work for you, and only pay 1 person.

Glad to share my opinion with you on the subject!
77  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 25, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
Very nice designs, there are some contests so why dont you try your skills there, sorry if I said something wrong.
Thank you very much.

But to answer your question, I respect my trade too much to do no-spec work. And I try my best to do things that wouldn't harm work for my fellow graphics designers on bitcointalk.

And it's quite fine, nothing wrong with asking a question haha.
78  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 25, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
Too many days of down time. :/
79  Economy / Services / Re: [Bounty] 0.15 BTC to anyone who can fix my webapp on: May 25, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Terrible down time.
80  Economy / Services / Re: мαℓιcєяє∂ ∂єѕιgηѕ Quality Design Service UPDATED THREAD! on: May 21, 2015, 09:44:19 PM
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