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221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR ⚡ DeepVault ⚡ Cryptopia 🚀 Airdrop 24/40 🚀 WE DOMINATE! on: January 02, 2018, 11:05:51 AM
Well they are anonymous to the extend to which you don't give away any personal details on the Bitcointalk forum - so there's still some personal responsibility there. Please don't give away what country you are, where you live, how to contact you etcetera.

Well it's not only about giving out your personal details or links to your twitter or facebook accounts. It's not unreasonable to assume that both of those forums log your IP address and it's very likely if they were asked to do so they would pass that information to legal authorities. So there's a link right there.

well the moment you cash out at an exchange you need to give that exchange your ID so they've tagged your address and see your past transactions. I don't understand how this is any more anonymous then bitcoin? Is it giving anything other then TOR integration which we all use already?

This is exactly what DeepSend is (will be) for.



I'm very interested on how deepsend will achieve this, but there is no whitepaper. If you have any links or can give more info on that I would appreciate it. It seems all the promise and all the anonymity will come from DeepSend
222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR ⚡ DeepVault ⚡ Cryptopia 🚀 Airdrop 24/40 🚀 WE DOMINATE! on: January 02, 2018, 09:38:56 AM
It is great to see another local ANN been managed by one of the community member. I hope @brotherhood will do us great such like cryptorainbow.


@nikisev, I assumed you asked as a question. What will make DeepOnion anonymous.You can read more on what DeepSend is all about. In no way should you expect /mistaken balance on an address to be anonymous, the anonymity is in the transactions you make as nobody will be able to tag you with your address if you don't publicise it and if you do The remote address you make transaction to will be anonymous.



well the moment you cash out at an exchange you need to give that exchange your ID so they've tagged your address and see your past transactions. I don't understand how this is any more anonymous then bitcoin? Is it giving anything other then TOR integration which we all use already?
223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 02, 2018, 09:21:00 AM
Why RaiBlocks is not secure.

[...]
5. The Man in the Middle attack.

If an attacker succeeds to put himself between a merchant and the RaiBlocks network he can just filter the double spending payment packets, and the merchant will never know that he is receiving a double spending. The Raiblocks network will discard that payment while the merchant will accept it.


[...]

This kind of FUD can be done to every cryptocurrency. So once and for all :
Every cryptocurrency, every online bank is vulnerable to Mitm attacks, if such attack successfully happens.
Example for bitcoin: If a hacker successfully performs a Mitm attack between a buyer and seller, he can just give to the buyer his own bitcoin address instead of the seller's. End of the story. And there are a myriad of more sophisticated attacks depending on whether you have a temporary or persistant Mitm attack.
Fortunately, Mitm attacks (over ssh) are rare, difficult and simply not accessible to the vast majority. They can still happen though and countermeasures (such as ssl pinning) are outside of the scope of crypto currencies underlying technology.
Basically if you are afraid of Mitm attacks, don't open a bank account, don't use any crypto currency, or better, don't use internet (or LANs) and make payments only in cash.

This is 100% correct. It is a common FUD technique to state extreme "edge cases" like they are common occurrences so you have posts like "this coin is not secure - all an attacker has to do is gain control of the majority of the voting delegates". LMFAO

If it is so easy, why hasn't it happened yet? It would be much easier for this kind of attack to occur early on in a coin's life before more nodes come online. Raiblocks has been running for over 2 years straight - why hasn't anyone exploited these "flaws" yet?

Because the time, money and resources required to do so make it impossible.

Imagine you are storing money in one of those Swiss vaults deep inside a mountain. The idiots on this thread trying to scare people with their FUD would make an argument such as:

"Your money is at great risk! All someone has to do is pay off every single guard inside the mountain, circumvent the alarm system and walk straight out the door with your funds". Their arguments are laughable. In fact, they aren't even arguments at all, they are just straight up talking out their asses  Grin



Well BTC is not vulnerable to the same attack, because of the blockchain and 6 confirmations. What rail is essentially is BTC without the blockchain. That's where the double spend protection has been lost.

And no, it's not that hard to pull a MITM attack. With some DNS poisoning you could do this to an exchange and to empty their wallet. No wonder good exchanges won't accept railblock. They'd have to be crazy to do so.
224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR ⚡ DeepVault ⚡ Cryptopia 🚀 Airdrop 24/40 🚀 WE DOMINATE! on: January 02, 2018, 08:45:33 AM
the whole top 100 users thing is abomination.
DeepOnion suppose to be anonymous.
Why do we even publish people accounts figures?
Strange strange.
Make me think the whole TOR thing was just a marketing gimmick.



exactly what I was thinking. What exactly makes deeponion anonymous other then TOR? (anyone can use TOR with any coin). I can see balances and transactions. What is anonymous?

Well they are anonymous to the extend to which you don't give away any personal details on the Bitcointalk forum - so there's still some personal responsibility there. Please don't give away what country you are, where you live, how to contact you etcetera.

sounds like what every other coin is doing...which can easily be traced to an exchange when you take out your money
225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR ⚡ DeepVault ⚡ Cryptopia 🚀 Airdrop 24/40 🚀 WE DOMINATE! on: January 01, 2018, 09:54:57 PM
O my word, I am so excited for DO for 2018! White paper, Woocommerce plugin, voting, DeepSend... The list just goes on and on... Success for Onions this year is assured. People in the know are buying up Onions and stuffing their bags Smiley
Yea it's so exciting. Smiley  I can't wait.
And one more thing. After implementation of that thinks, price off Deep Onion will bi to the moon.Smiley

you mean you bought in without even seeing the whitepaper?
226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: January 01, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
how does monero compare to deep onion in terms of pros and cons?
227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR ⚡ DeepVault ⚡ Cryptopia 🚀 Airdrop 24/40 🚀 WE DOMINATE! on: January 01, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
I just discovered this coin and I was looking for the whitepaper. Just to get a small summary how does this compare to monero?

Also, is it used on any of the darkweb sites yet?
228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 03:18:00 PM

I'd hate to say but the problems listed are real. There is a fundamental flaw in the design, and it was actually pointed out 2 years ago and completely ignored by the dev. Of course with millions at stake for them it's in their best interest to ignore it. Hell, some kill for less money. Do your due diligence people and don't follow fanboys blindly. As far as I'm concerned right now I pretty certain there is 0% chance XRB will replace BTC. You may speculate and you make still make fortunes on the price, but don't fool yourself of the end result. This is not something that can be just fixed. Sorry.

You literally posted this exact same thing just a few pages back (might have been one of your sock puppet accounts). The "flaws" have been addressed numerous times by the dev - nothing but FUD.

To summarize:

The dev was a software engineer at Qualcom, you are a piece of Bitcointalk trash.

To think that some salty teenage third worlders have found some fatal "flaw" that the Raiblocks dev missed is beyond laughable.

Anyway, as you can see by the price your pathetic FUD attempts are rightfully being ignored by the community.


The fact that you are calling me trash only discredits you. You don't know me. And no offense, some of us are software developers too. I am. So forgive me when I say that I don't really give a **** where the dev works as it says absolutely nothing about him. Qualcom's hiring standards aren't exactly NASA-like, and even if they were everybody is entitled to making mistakes.  He's was pointed out  two years ago but somehow he beat around the bush with BS explanations, not admitting he made a mistake. In the end everybody gave up as there was no way to reason with him. You can read the thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264

It's not FUD from people that are jealous. There was nothing to be jealous about in 2015 when this was first pointed out.



Wow, so you are a software dev?! Awesome, I've got great news for you - as kamiyama pointed out, there is a bug bounty going on for Raiblocks. Obviously the dev has overlooked some fatal flaws so you just need to tell him what he missed and collect the reward. Of course you would have to prove the bug, not just talk straight out your ass like you have been doing on here.

Go back to your dumpster before the coffee shop shuts down your free wifi.

the bounty is just for show. This problem was pointed out 2 years ago and they are still ignoring it because there is nothing they can do. It's flawed by design and they are trying to hide it. You see they have MILLIONS of reasons to hide it Smiley
229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: January 01, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
"During an attack on the IOTA network in October, some funds were found to be at risk of theft, due to users re-using their private keys. The IOTA team took the decision to protect IOTA token holders by taking those funds which were at risk into temporary custody through a snapshot.

Once the attack was stopped, the team worked on setting up a process for reclaiming the funds, and sending them back to the rightful owners. This process of receiving and validating the claims has been understandably complicated and sensitive — especially when taking into account the immutability of the IOTA distributed ledger. This effort has required the full attention of the entire core and legal teams of IOTA over the last few weeks. "

Seen at: https://blog.iota.org/claims-and-reclaims-finalization-e692844c505a

Hmm if they did the snapshot of current situation, why people don't have acccess to their fund. Shouldn't they be able to move their funds once they did rollback if they did that in past. Soory I am lacking my knowledge about this issue, but if it is something that could happen again I just have to question it's security since it is new project at least not blockchain so all of us have some dubts.

How did fund ended up with devs then if they did snapshot o.o did they moved those coins or they somehow locked up particular wallets?

They will never say they did anything wrong. It will always be our ( the users fault ) .... These are great questions. Be nice to get a real answer.

One thing I do agree on is, Iota is HIGHLY CENTRALIZED. It is like having a bank account or using PayPal at this point. Devs just took over users funds when they deemed it necessary.  Sounds like a bank or PayPal to me

this ability of randomly doing snapshots that allows seizing accounts worries me a lot. If this ability is not removed somehow there is no future for the coin. I'm still trying to understand what allows them to do so? The fact that the coordinator is in place or is it more rooted in the design itself?

BTC is valued the way it is because it's truely decentralized. Other then banning exchanges there is nothing a government can do.
230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 12:13:33 PM

I'd hate to say but the problems listed are real. There is a fundamental flaw in the design, and it was actually pointed out 2 years ago and completely ignored by the dev. Of course with millions at stake for them it's in their best interest to ignore it. Hell, some kill for less money. Do your due diligence people and don't follow fanboys blindly. As far as I'm concerned right now I pretty certain there is 0% chance XRB will replace BTC. You may speculate and you make still make fortunes on the price, but don't fool yourself of the end result. This is not something that can be just fixed. Sorry.

You literally posted this exact same thing just a few pages back (might have been one of your sock puppet accounts). The "flaws" have been addressed numerous times by the dev - nothing but FUD.

To summarize:

The dev was a software engineer at Qualcom, you are a piece of Bitcointalk trash.

To think that some salty teenage third worlders have found some fatal "flaw" that the Raiblocks dev missed is beyond laughable.

Anyway, as you can see by the price your pathetic FUD attempts are rightfully being ignored by the community.


The fact that you are calling me trash only discredits you. You don't know me. And no offense, some of us are software developers too. I am. So forgive me when I say that I don't really give a **** where the dev works as it says absolutely nothing about him. Qualcom's hiring standards aren't exactly NASA-like, and even if they were everybody is entitled to making mistakes.  He's was pointed out  two years ago but somehow he beat around the bush with BS explanations, not admitting he made a mistake. In the end everybody gave up as there was no way to reason with him. You can read the thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264

It's not FUD from people that are jealous. There was nothing to be jealous about in 2015 when this was first pointed out.

231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 12:00:59 PM

can colin or serg from the xrb team clear our confusion on this? Huh

All of these "concerns" have been addressed numerous times already - it is pure FUD. The same accounts keep posting it over and over again because they are super salty that the XRB price keeps going up and they missed the boat. Ignore them.

there is no such thing as missed the boat. If the coin truly is successful it will still grow around 100x from today's value. The only only way to have missed the boat is if the price goes down. Do you see the contradiction here?
232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: January 01, 2018, 10:48:56 AM
Why RaiBlocks is not secure.

In this article I will try to explain why RaiBlocks is not secure and why its technology is any better neither comparable than the Bitcoin technology.

1. Decentralized payments
Decentralized payment networks are, in opposite of centralized payment network like banks, a way to secure your money without having the risk that a central authority could steal your money or manipulate the money in the market. Decentralized payment networks use asymmetric cryptography to ensure that you are the only one who can spend your money.
When you create a cryptocurrency wallet you are given a public key and a private key. The public key allows other people to send you money, while the private key allows you to spend them.  

But how other users know how many money do you have?
To accomplish this, every user of a decentralized payment network must download the entire transaction database which is replicated on the entire network. When you send a payment over the network, it is received by all the users connected on the network allowing them to know your updated wallet balance and allowing them to discard that payment if you don’t own enough funds.

2. Double Spending
The main problem that afflicts decentralized payment networks is double spending: the ability of an user to spend his money multiple times. In the real world, when you pay someone you give him the real cash. In a centralized payment network, like VISA, the central database is updated every time you make a payment, and they will not allow you to spend more money than your balance.
In a decentralized payment network what happens if you send the same amount of money on two users of the network in the same time? Since their database takes time to update for a small amount of time they both will receive the payment and accept it. In a later moment, when the network tells them that you double spent your money, they will cancel the payment, this is possible because every payment is broadcasted to the entire network, not only the receiver.
Without any other security layer, if a malicious user double spends his money and succeeds to block a payment receiver to know that he sent the same money to someone else (or even better, to another wallet of his own), the payment receiver will accept the payment and ship the good. This is so bad, since even a network connection problem could temporarily lead a payment receiver to undetect double spendings.

3. The Bitcoin Solution
To solve this problem, Bitcoin relays on the fact that after you receive a payment you need to wait a confirmation block, the confirmation block tells you that the payment you have received has been accepted by the entire network and you are allowed to spend it. To create a confirmation block, the miners create a list of all the pending unconfirmed transactions and solve a very difficult mathematical puzzle. The miner who solves the puzzle first, sends the block he found with all the list of confirmed transaction and the solved puzzle to the network, the users of the network will check if the puzzle solution is valid and then reward him with some free coins plus the sum of all the payment fees of each transaction in the block. The miners must create a valid list of payments to be accepted by the network, so double spend attempts are just discarded.

In Bitcoin an attacker,  to make a succesful double spending, should not just stop you from receiving a double spend attempt message, but he should also solve the puzzle to create a confirmation block in a reasonable time frame. Currently solving that puzzle with a single computer would take years; at writing time to solve that puzzle a network of thousands dedicated hardware is used, an attacker would require a billionaire investment to replicate that network. Moreover, it would not only need to create one confirmation block but six of them (6 confirmation blocks are required in the Bitcoin network to trust a payment).

Critics of Bitcoin say that all the computation power used to make the Bitcoin network secure is just a waste of energy because there are other reliable and better technologies. Is that true?

4. What is RaiBlocks?
RaiBlocks is a crypto currency that advertises itself as a fast, fee-less and secure currency, unlikely Bitcoin which is currently slow and high-fee (usually requires 1 hour to a full payment confirmation).
But the key point is that Bitcoin has been made that way to guarantee his users a certain amount of security to prevent double spendings. 
 
RaiBlocks completely ignores the Bitcoin technology and relies on a special version of the Proof Of Stake concept.
When you receive a payment in the RaiBlocks network you have to wait a certain amount of time to be sure that a double spending has not been attempted (and remember the first problem, if an attacker stops you from receiving the double spend you would never know!)
When a double spent is detected, the RaiBlocks network starts a vote. Every peer connected to the network vote to accept the payment A or payment B; every user vote is weighted with the amount of his balance. Usually each peer votes for the first transaction he receives. The transaction which the sum of votes reaches the 51% of online amount of currency wins. The winning transaction is accepted by the network and the other one is discarded. (Reference https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation)

The payment receiver, if his network has not been compromised, will then know if he can trust the payment or not, and will ship the good accordingly. This system leads to an unsolvable problem.

5. The Man in the Middle attack.

If an attacker succeeds to put himself between a merchant and the RaiBlocks network he can just filter the double spending payment packets, and the merchant will never know that he is receiving a double spending. The Raiblocks network will discard that payment while the merchant will accept it.



6. Solutions proposed by the RaiBlocks team

a) The merchant should ask a vote for each payment he receives and wait for the confirmation. 
The problem is that the attacker could manipulate the vote by telling the merchant that only his peers are connected to the network thus he will win the vote by filtering only his votes. Plus, asking a vote for each payment would cause a huge increment of bandwidth usage that many peers could not handle.

b) The merchant should have a remote node verifying the payment.
The attacker could just attack that network too.

c) The merchant should ask the RaiBlocks.net website if the payment has been accepted.
The attacker can hack the RaiBlocks.net website. Also if you have to rely on a website you can no longer consider RaiBlocks a decentralized network.

Other solutions

1) A payment to be accepted should require a vote with a minimum weight quorum.
It's difficult to establish a correct quorum, and if that quorum is offline no payments will be processed.

2) A payment need to be accepted by some trusted representatives.
This will stop the network on being decentralized. Also, if those representatives are offline the payments are not processed.

7. Why Bitcoin is not vulnerable to this type of attack
Simply because an attacker, to be trusted by a merchant, would require to solve a very difficult puzzle for six times. An attacker cannot alter the difficulty of that puzzle.

8. Other observations

a) RaiBlocks is just Bitcoins without the Bitcoin securing algorithm. The creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, describes the double spending problem in the original Bitcoin paper: https://Bitcoin.org/Bitcoin.pdf. The developer of RaiBlocks just thinks to solve the problem by ignoring the problem.

b) The official representatives of the RaiBlocks network own more than 52% of total voting weight, allowing the developer to manipulate every vote on his will.
Source: https://dev.RaiBlocks.net/page/representatives.php


9. References
https://RaiBlocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf
https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation

It is about time someone posted this.  Watch now as it tumbles.


3. The attacker wants to control raiclocks.net (again does he mean one node here? because anyone can run a different node, like https://raiblocks.club  .. or does he mean attack the representative nodes? )

Is the attacker a super power controlling the entire Internet? Thats what this sounds like.
Its like saying the USD is also quite vulnerable to the entire online banking system being hacked and someone adding zeros onto all account balances



don't need to be a super power to do a man in the middle attack. All you need to do is manipulate the dns or a region.  Hackers can do that easy.

FYI, countries and governments when they want to "hack" something they tend to force isps to to redirect traffic and they get ssl certificates for domains they don't own. Lots of cases when this happened for large domain like google.com.

I'd hate to say but the problems listed are real. There is a fundamental flaw in the design, and it was actually pointed out 2 years ago and completely ignored by the dev. Of course with millions at stake for them it's in their best interest to ignore it. Hell, some kill for less money. Do your due diligence people and don't follow fanboys blindly. As far as I'm concerned right now I pretty certain there is 0% chance XRB will replace BTC. You may speculate and you make still make fortunes on the price, but don't fool yourself of the end result. This is not something that can be just fixed. Sorry.
233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: January 01, 2018, 10:22:11 AM
perhaps it's a stupid question but if the mining hardware is not out yet, who mines this coin to insure transactions are processed?
234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: December 31, 2017, 10:44:13 PM
The current price is @0.00089888 BTC in this time, I have bought it in 0.00110000 yesterday, what happen in this coin?  Cry

nothing happen
it's just correction after bullish for almost 1 month

it will surely rise after the more than healthy correction. thought about a deeper drop though



Seriously mate, what's your deal? I know for a fact that you're not a fan of this project and you're no way here to be a part of the community, so why are you here mate? Why are you still here posting all this nonsense?, how can you tell it's fake news though? How do you know that this is not a healthy correction? Seeing the bullish trend that happened the past couple of weeks, the current price drop is normal, it's not even a really low drop, it's just went down around 20,000 sat which is a really good correction and in a analyst point of view this is healthy for the market, this just means that this project is maturing and we're going to reach a new all time high soon, I just checked your previous posts and it seems like when the price was just around 90k sat you said "enjoy the collapse" but the collapse never happened mate just hours after you post that the price went as high as 120k satoshi, it seems like you were wrong about that, next time you say something about the market price, backed it up mate, because with what you're doing it looks like you're just here to spread FUD.

How come there is nobody moderating this thread?
Yes, fracas (among others) is not here to be part of the community, he's just posting nonsense.
Will he stop? NO. He's been doing this since a few days now.

Your attitude is very wrong mate. There are a couple of things you seem to be missing here:

1. The community is this forum. If he is in the forum then he is part of the community. This is not a cult, nor private XRB forum. We discuss things openly here.
2. There are no influencers in this forum. Nothing said here will change the fate of any coin. If it's meant to succeed it will despite anything said here, if it's meant to fail it will.
3. We as investors and potential investors have only to gain if problems are discussed. See #2. Nothing changes for the coin, but it does for us. Even if there is a 1% chance he is right, I want to hear about it and I alone will decide if he is right or not. Depending on that I might be in or out, or change my mind at any time. I'm following a large number of coins, I might or might not be invested in it. One thing that I definitely want to hear about everywhere are the potential problems. Lets not turn this forum in an echo chamber.
235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: December 31, 2017, 09:38:46 PM
Can Iota get listed on Cryptopia please? It's the only exchange I use because they don't require ID scans. It's easy to get listed, just click on "services/Paytopia" on the upper right of the page. It says listings cost 100,000 DOT, about $1400 currently. Subject to developer review, but Iota has a good name as far as I know so pretty much they pay they're listed. A little known coin called Skycoin recently got on there while their applications are still on file at the other exchanges. It's also a new concept in blockchain, so fairly similar to Iota. Good exchange IMO. No issues so far.

Actually I just rechecked the Paytopia page and it appears they increased the price to 5,000,000 DOT. That's like $100k.

sky is actually one of the oldest coins out there and one of the few that actually is solid from a technical standpoint. Someday it will be very big. Don't underestimate it just because it's "little" in market cap. It's one of the few sleeping giants.
236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: December 30, 2017, 10:48:22 AM
What is happening with RaiBlocks? Was there a small correction in prices and people are desperate? Who is accusing of a problem here, does he have proof and certainty of what he is accusing? Would not it be a move to get XRB at lower prices?

Don't mind the FUDders. They are just sad they didn't saw the opportunity to buy when it was cheap.
Just a bunch of low lifes that would do pretty much anything to bring the price down.
I suggest people to go to the discord channel (https://discordapp.com/invite/JphbBas), the quality of people there is higher, you can ask questions and the devs will answer.

the devs ignore the problem and pretend it doesn't exist. Always have. Discussing about issues is healthy, not FUD. This is a forum so we can talk, and find out if there are any problems. Don't be a sheep and believe everything they say on reddit and discord. Those are heavily moderated to the point of being closer to propaganda. Read for your self and make up your own mind: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219264
237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 30, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
let's change the basic unit to MB or KB ?


i think byteball reasonable valuation should be 50% of IOTA !

I think IOTA reasonable valuation should be 50% of byteball because IOTA even doesn't have a warking wallet and peoples that use it have a lot of trouble!
And I think byteball need more exchange.


Well what about the fact iota is not even able to operate in a decentralised manner right now. It has its coordinator training wheels on and they are afraid to remove them. I would find that far more worrying right now.

IOTA is an ico coin... no one really know how they really distribute the coin

byteball is better and more transparent

i hope byteball have same marketcap as iota at least!


let's hope in 2018, 1 Gbyte= 5000$



$5000 is quite possible but not so fast. I would bet that this scenario could occur in the span of 3 years. $1500 by the end of 2018 is more realistic.

only because of the denomination. Both iota and XRB went up 10x this month. There should be no reason why BB should not follow
238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: December 30, 2017, 01:52:59 AM
You are right guys. Patience is the key. I was somewhat frustrated with my last losses. let's hope for better days. Lets HODL.

Patience is wisdom. IOTA will have a Ripple moment in 2018.

it kinda did two weeks ago when it went 10x. 1000x from IPO. It already made a lot of millionaires.
239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: December 27, 2017, 01:52:38 PM
after rolling their own crypto I think IOTA have destroyed all their credibility in front of the technical people. Their only credibility is in front on noobs and technically illiterate people. No offence Smiley

No offence, of course, we don't expect non-cryptographers to get why own cryptographic primitive was justified.

implementing your own, not tested and non-standard algorithm is never justified. It's the worst thing you can do in the security world. Nobody will take you seriously if they discover something like this in an audit.

Like Bosch?

it's still remains to be seen how serious Bosch takes this. We all know how the Microsoft partnership fiasco ended like
240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: December 27, 2017, 01:43:47 PM
I want to see the price of SKY $ 100, I've invested about $ 1000 a year ago and I'm glad now I get a huge profit but I think the price should be even higher than now.
Well it did rise somewhat over the lest few days. I bought a little about a week ago but it looked scammy so I sold at a small loss. Turned out I should have waited a few days because I could have made a slight profit now. For the price to really increase, Synth would have to do a video demonstrating this system working, tx in 4 seconds and no fees deducted. Right now the Skyledger system is completely unvetted. The obvious question is why Synth would wait around for 4 years to bother doing such a demonstration. Here are the demonstration parameters; two unbiased crypto YouTubers sitting in a room each with a laptop. One sends a tx to the other, timer running. What's hard about that?

jeez dude, just install the wallet on two computers and send some sky around. I did that it worked for me. It's a very simple test that you can do your self. Don't need experts for that.
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