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681  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 12:08:37 PM
The answer to the latter is detailed within the prospectus. We are going to be very clear to our customers we will also provide a link for them to see their BTC sat in the blockchain.

Our customers will transact in Bitcoin values with the equivalent in Euros displayed, just how almost every other business that accepts Bitcoin does.

We know where we stand with regards to Cypriot law (The most important one for ourselves) as with everything with this new technology  it is requiring legal definitions. So we are the ones lobbying for change.
682  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 11:19:16 AM
Repeated....


Please answer the following simple question:

I deposit 100 euros into an account with you. At the point of this the BTC/EUR rate is 100:1 for example. Does my deposit statement show I own 100euros or 1 BTC??

If I own 100euros, you are deposit-taking institution holding Euros and MUST operate under the same rules as all other financial institutions in the EU.

If my account shows 1 BTC, then you may well only be an exchange-house and may avoid some regulations by operating only in Bitcoin, but you cannot profit from rises in BTC/EUR values, so your financial model is completely inaccurate.

Which of these two is it?

Didn't see this question. As explained elsewhere we are to put it simply, we are an exchange, that offers a wallet service and a payment gateway.

The wallets for those that wish to peg their wallet to a euro value are going to see a fluctuating amount of BTC in their wallet.
683  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
We can run our own reports daily or hourly, never said otherwise. We will happily provide regular monthly updates from our own figures but all official accounts will be provided quarterly.  We are not exactly using a small or medium accountancy firm either. These guys have a very big influence on the regulators.

So to be clear our updates will be made at more regular intervals and our audited accounts less frequently.  I would be welcoming of any recommendations of an accountancy firm, that has the same impact and respect with the regulators, that you may be aware of here in Cyprus or even better if they operate on a global scale.
684  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 09:27:44 AM

We will be profitable by march if the exchange rate increases at the rate described.


This whole proposition is so naive and risky it is untrue. It's nothing more than a free bet on Bitcoin going up taken with customer monies. As well as a huge risk of failing for this reason alone, it's almost certain that it'll be seen by the authorities as a deposit-taking institution and regulated as such, which is hugely expensive and difficult.

You simply cannot hold 98% of deposts in Euros and not be regulated. I'll state it again - deposit taking in the EU is illegal unless you are regulated. Guess what the whole issue of the requirements for regulation and illegality are utterly ignored because it's Bitcoins. Except it's not Bitcoins it's held in Euros, because as they admit 98% of people want to hold euros (or somehow try to claim it's held in Bitcoin but pegged to the euro?).

Even ignoring the regulation element, anyone who has a brain who deposits their money in this knowing about Bitcoin (and why would they if they didn't) would immediately try to withdraw their money if the BTC/Eur rate fell, since they'd know the bank could not cover all depositors - hence the classic 'run on a bank' scenario.

This is a great theoretical idea, but pegging any of it back to Euros causes it all to fail. Of course this is being done since the reality is that the depositors do not want to hold Bitcoins.

Thanks, as previously mentioned in the thread, due to our model a "run" during a decrease in the exchange rate would reduce our liabilities.

With regards to the legislation, we are now commencing the official lobbying process as previously detailed. Bitcoin is a protocol, that can be utilised in many ways, I do not need to explian that especially on here of all places. We are first and foremost providing access to using Bitcoin as a way to utilise the cryptographic elements to ensure the customer has control of their funds and they are not using it as a purely speculative asset.

Essentially we could have created our own alt, sold it locally in exchange for Euros, however Bitcoin can offer so much more globally than taking said option and it wouldn't be decentralised and still subjected to the current regulations you described above.

The volatility is something only volume will change and we are addressing this on a large scale not only ourselves but opening up other platforms to Bitcoin.
685  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 09:10:06 AM
wisard +1, all really good points.

I like to add few.
If you have followed, what is happening in BTC world, quarterly financial reports will not work here. Please change the contract to "once a month".
Especially, because you guys start out with a loss for a while.  PL/CF and balance sheet will do the trick.
It is also extremely important, you publish your balance sheet right after the IPVO is completed or at the end of September, which ever arrives first.
Can you do that?


Thanks for the input, we are well aware of how the Bitcoin space operates, however all of our accounts are prepared by one of the big 4 accountancy companies (name will be released on Monday) this comes at a real world cost of both time and finance. Because we are operating a real structured business and not a mining farm with very few real business requirements we cannot just speed these processes up. We can run our own reports and provide trading updates however audited accounts cannot be prepared and released monthly. If it was viable, I would do it.
686  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 21, 2013, 07:46:17 AM
I love the idea of a Bitcoin Bank, but I have some reservations.

1. The team is not final. Success of a startup company depends on the team more than the idea. Several key positions are not filled which means we have no idea how to evaluate if the team is good at execution or not.

2. Projections and plans are over optimistic. Software development hasn't even begun. Good luck getting software developed for banking within 3-4 months. You plan to commence renovations on the second branch BEFORE the first branch has been tested and processes have been tweaked out. The overall plan seems that it is based on having no failures on the way. It calls for scaling before testing.

3. Marketing. Please please talk with someone who understands performance based marketing. Big agencies sell you on GRPs and the % of population you will reach - because thats where they make money. You don't want to reach 85% of the population once. You want to reach 20% of the population 10 times. Ask yourself what is better: persuading 100% of the people 10% of the way, or persuading 10% of the people 100% of the way.

Before you even begin advertising - you want to hire a PR agency and get free press. Free radio interviews. Free articles in newspapers and magazines. Only after that do you want to hire an ad agency.

I love your ideas about direct mail and airline presence.

Hate the idea about piggy bank teaser campaign. There have been very very few teaser campaigns that have succeeded. Seriously name one teaser campaign that was successful. Teaser campaigns have a very high failure rate because people just don't have that long of an attention span. If you want to wow people, just hold a conference and burn some fiat.

(I know a bit about marketing. Feel free to PM me if you want to refine your marketing plans, but expect a few tough questions.)

4. And finally, there is lack of information on what I believe will be your main source of income: pegged accounts. How will you minimize risk if bitcoins start decreasing in value? How will you prevent mass bank withdrawals if bad news arise? A bad month or a bad rumour can wipe 12 months of profits out. Without knowing that you are capable of handling extreme situations, investment seems risky.

Thanks for your input;

1. All of the positions with the exception of two are filled, those other two will be filled within 14 days of my return from Amsterdam, we are just waiting for notice periods to be completed with existing employers before we make those announcements.

2. The software development has begun, All the dates in the timeline started from September, so the software development start was included in that month, to demonstrate it would/had been started. We are only opening with 2 branches in the capital Nicosia to enable us to test before scaling around the other densely populated areas of the island. The first branch will have a soft opening in January to ensure that any process and real-time issues are resolved before the opening of the second branch.

3. We have the only mass media specialist on the island working in connection with ourselves, our media campaigns are drawn across a 6 month period (Before we launch and following our initial launch). Everything is results orientated and not based on reach alone.

We have already begun the process with the trade magazines and newspapers, I was speaking with the Financial Mirror last night at an event, I have a meeting planned with the editor upon my return from Amsterdam. 24 hours prior I was speaking with the founder of StockWatch whom is now in love with Bitcoin, I too have meetings planned with them upon my return from Amsterdam because we are holding a conference at the University of Nicosia. Telia & Pavla BBDO have a specialist PR division within.

The most successful advertising campaign ever in Cyprus, was the Lidl launch teaser campaign. Different markets respond to things differently. I too love the idea of the airlines presence, Cyprus attracts vast amounts of visitors from around the world so it only makes sense to ensure these people know what Neo and Bee offer, whilst also providing an introduction to Bitcoin.

4. Because of our model, withdrawals during a downturn in the price reduces our liabilities, we are not operating on a fractional reserve basis. We do have other income revenue streams that will be online either before we launch or very shortly after launch. I will only provide information to the investors when we can determine realistic targets for each stream of revenue. There are many contributing factors to these offerings, using insurance as an example, our only viable option is to use a carrier because we are not big enough to offer our own direct insurance products. The different carrier options we have available are all very different in what they can offer and the variables in the contracts between ourselves and each carrier all differ. I will never provide misinformation to anyone, so when we have things determined closer to fact, only then will it be made public knowledge.

687  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 20, 2013, 09:22:15 PM


Edit, Øystein will be in Amsterdam with me, so anyone can meet him there and check his passport.

Well,. I think that wouldn't be necessary.
But if others would like to see this verified,. I'll volunteer going to Amsterdam (3 hour drive)
If those people volunteer donating Travel(train) expenses.

Ofc, you"ll still have to trust me when i say " All checks out"

I can bring a heart monitor too, to provide evidence I am still alive.  Smiley
If you do go to the conference, please grab me (nicely) and say hi.
688  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 20, 2013, 08:10:20 PM
Oh boy, I'm very much alive, and yes my Name is Danny and not Daniel, I have been at an event so apologies I couldn't post any earlier, yes 3 companies I have been officially a director of since the age of 20, a dissolved company does not constitute a failure in the slightest.

Edit, Øystein will be in Amsterdam with me, so anyone can meet him there and check his passport.
689  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 20, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
It appears as though only a little over 1 million or so shares out of 8 million are currently being pre-bid, any guesses out there as to how long it will take to sell out?

whats the minimum they need to raise in the IPO?

9500 BTC including the private round of 1.1m shares and the XBOND offering by the end of November.
690  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 20, 2013, 03:41:08 AM
I am going to be doing an AMA on Reddit for most of the day.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mr91m/i_am_the_ceo_of_neo_the_bee_payment_network_in/
691  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 07:41:11 PM
What brought you to Cyprus?

My daughter and my family.

The island is beautiful, the people are great and the sun is always shining, so I am never leaving for more than 2 weeks ever again (unless business requirements dictate otherwise)!
692  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 07:33:22 PM
Couple of things:
  • Danny Brewster prepared the prospectus.  Is that his legal name?
  • Who did the market research for the survey in the prospectus?
  • No resume material on any of the other people including Danny.  How do we find these people?

Yes my name is Danny and not Daniel, I have provided all the required documents to Ukyo to confirm my identity and TAT has had confirmations from our strategic partners that I am who I claim to be and have the existing partnerships in place.

I performed the market research but other statistical surveys in relation to the public perception of the traditional banks has been provided within the thread.

What do you want to know about me? My address is included on the holding companies website, it is also a registered address with companies house in the UK. The office address is included in the thread and the head office shall become our permanent location as of Monday when we take delivery.

693  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 06:52:21 PM
How do you plan abiding to the maximum of 5000€ overseas transactions AND permit bitcoin withdrawals? Won't someone be able to deposit 100000€ and then send the bitcoins wherever he wants? More generally, how will the goverment be okay with you offering such a simple entry-point for bitcoin's pseudo-anonymous features?

The fact that most people won't do bitcoin direct transactions, since they aren't tech-savvy enough, is certainly true but isn't a solution to the problem IMHO - the goverment won't like for this loophole to be there.

Because to operate any account they will be subjected to AML/KYC and all reporting procedures that "everyone" is subjected too.

€5000 from existing Cypriot Monetary Financial Institutions overseas is currently implemented, until the Troika meeting in September when it shall be reviewed. The paper money we accept won't leave Cyprus, the 1's and 0's representing those Euro notes are accounted for elsewhere in the world (Currently subject of an NDA so apologies that I cannot provide more specific details). By design we have zero exposure to the existing Banking infrastructure here in Cyprus.

Irregardless of the above points http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4cd86244-2039-11e3-b8c6-00144feab7de.html#axzz2fMgzKJN9

THE DREADED NDA

I wish they were temporarily abolished because I want to share much more than is currently possible, but they are a necessity in business.
694  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
well, that was quick Smiley

so, if I understand correctly, you're saying that it would be okay for current Cyprus' law for someone to deposit 6000€ in your bank, and immediately after send the bitcoins to someone in another country, as long as the cash notes actually remain in Cyprus?

Yes because "Money" isn't moving in the eyes of the Central Bank from a Cypriot MFI to an overseas location.
695  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 06:36:05 PM
How do you plan abiding to the maximum of 5000€ overseas transactions AND permit bitcoin withdrawals? Won't someone be able to deposit 100000€ and then send the bitcoins wherever he wants? More generally, how will the goverment be okay with you offering such a simple entry-point for bitcoin's pseudo-anonymous features?

The fact that most people won't do bitcoin direct transactions, since they aren't tech-savvy enough, is certainly true but isn't a solution to the problem IMHO - the goverment won't like for this loophole to be there.

Because to operate any account they will be subjected to AML/KYC and all reporting procedures that "everyone" is subjected too.

€5000 from existing Cypriot Monetary Financial Institutions overseas is currently implemented, until the Troika meeting in September when it shall be reviewed. The paper money we accept won't leave Cyprus, the 1's and 0's representing those Euro notes are accounted for elsewhere in the world (Currently subject of an NDA so apologies that I cannot provide more specific details). By design we have zero exposure to the existing Banking infrastructure here in Cyprus.

Irregardless of the above points http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4cd86244-2039-11e3-b8c6-00144feab7de.html#axzz2fMgzKJN9
696  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 18, 2013, 06:51:13 PM
Yes it includes both the private round and the xbond offering.
697  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 18, 2013, 06:03:14 PM
http://www.sigmalive.com/news/local/65214

Interesting survey here in Cyprus,

The red shows no trust.
The blue very little trust.
The yellow little trust.
698  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 18, 2013, 05:24:32 PM
Sorry for the lack of posts today, it has been a hectic one with the recording of Let's Talk Bitcoin at the end of a busy day that has yielded great results, we have brought forward the task in promoting Bitcoin to the existing trading platforms that operate here in Cyprus, following a meeting with one of the largest platforms, the partners seemed very interested, this will bring great benefits to Bitcoin users who can access this platform. It will also provide us with more viable options to ease concerns surrounding a lack of platforms with enough liquidity to handle our demands.

As promised, a picture of the building that is the home of our offices and the flagship branch, to demonstrate just how "different" it is within the surrounding area (I only had time to take the picture whilst waiting for the traffic lights)



Another update on the progress of our offices, we take delivery of them on Monday.



This spreadsheet provides details that will enable you to input different parameters (The Blue Cells) to see the effects they will have on our reserves, we have omitted any parts in relation to options trading, so trades on the spreadsheet are very simple public and dark pool markets, even with a crude strategy with the figures that are a direct replica of the seven days when the price of Bitcoin took its fall following the April bubble we would be damaged, but still very much in business. The key figure to watch is "the next day BTC requirement" as this will indicate the amount of Bitcoin that will either be added to our reserves when balancing the customers wallet for the next day, or how many BTC we need to use from our reserves to top up the customers wallets.

www.lmb-holdings.com/opening_week_crash.ods

EDIT - The spreadsheet has been converted to USD intentionally.
699  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 18, 2013, 12:36:13 PM
I am just between meetings so have not had a chance to answer questions on here or Reddit, I have a spreadsheet to post publicly that is pre-programmed with the rates (From the crash starting at the top and ending at the bottom on the last day, just before the rise back up)from the April bubble and demonstrates the effect that they will have on our reserves etc, you can also modify the data to see any of the effects, of any scenario you desire, including trading the reserves.

Once I get back to my office, I will post this spreadsheet.

Sorry for the delay.
700  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 17, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
Is it a typo that the public investors will recieve the first BTC0.0035/share while the IPVO price is BTC0.003?
This basically means that you will get ~117% of your investment back in dividend before the other 40% that you own will get any dividend.

No it isn't a typo. This is a very long term venture, so waiting an extra period of time to fulfill this requirement is not of any concern to myself, whilst providing an additional benefit to investors, helping towards obtaining the required funds to start-up exactly how we initially planned.
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