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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRS] Groestlcoin | Segwit activated | Adding Segwit to all our platforms on: April 04, 2018, 09:52:06 PM
GRS will hit 1.40 before coming back down to .75 this is because of the influx in trading on Binance.  Once it hits 3x the binance whales will take their cut and it will settle around 2x prior to the listing.  Nice move on binance, this means the name is staying Groestlcoin for the long term also.

Whales have already taken profits -
The pump is over - now the slow dump and disorientation of newbes.   

Why you so mad bro

I assure you, no emotion is involved.
Simply know the trends and the nature of the coin.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRS] Groestlcoin | Segwit activated | Adding Segwit to all our platforms on: April 04, 2018, 08:19:46 PM
GRS will hit 1.40 before coming back down to .75 this is because of the influx in trading on Binance.  Once it hits 3x the binance whales will take their cut and it will settle around 2x prior to the listing.  Nice move on binance, this means the name is staying Groestlcoin for the long term also.

Whales have already taken profits -
The pump is over - now the slow dump and disorientation of newbes.   
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: April 04, 2018, 03:41:15 PM
Colin and Kierre podcast April 2nd -
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/cryptoknights/episodes/2018-04-02T12_29_27-07_00

Countdown to Nexus Global Takeover
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRS] Groestlcoin | Segwit activated | Adding Segwit to all our platforms on: April 04, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
what this coin do ? how is different ?

pow, 0.0001 grs a tx (1/10,000th a coin for pow decentralised security), instant tx, samourai wallet (privacy), asic free, alternate algorithm ready for deployment if asic is made, sms payment, anti accidental non-existant wallet address mechanism (they get rejected), wallets for android, ios, pc, mac, linux, blackberry. easy miner gui software, soon all HW wallets, smart contracts

GRS has more wallets than any coin - way more than needed.
They are also ASIC Resistnat - which no one really cares about.

What GRS IS NOT -
NOT Quantum-resistant
Has no utility to make it worth anything.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BUZZCOIN - OPENSOURCE NON-PROFIT BLOCKCHAIN IMPLEMENTATION TO SAVE THE BEES on: April 03, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
Like it very much, but I do not know how to participate? Smiley

open account at tradesatoshi and buy some buzz with bitcoin - woo hoo
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRS] Groestlcoin | Segwit activated | Adding Segwit to all our platforms on: April 02, 2018, 10:28:20 PM
Just a pump and dump.
GRS has some nice features, but not enough to make it in the Top 20.

We want Utility now.
We want Quantum-Resistance.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRS] Groestlcoin | Segwit activated | Adding Segwit to all our platforms on: April 02, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
Oh, the GRS quarterly spike. Nice.

GRS is not quantum-resistant though - saying with Nexus.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: April 01, 2018, 09:20:33 PM
dead coin....
scammed peole

8th post and can't spell 'people' right -
It hails from a real braintrust.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ECA] Electra ⚡ | POW/POS | NIST5 | Super Rewards Bonanza on: March 30, 2018, 11:10:53 PM
Such humiliation for ECA - this coin is so Dec 2017.
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: March 30, 2018, 09:24:13 PM
Here is the draft of the paper Colin and Dino wrote together if anyone missed it:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent/


Network Working Group                                       D. Farinacci
Internet-Draft                                               lispers.net
Intended status: Experimental                                C. Cantrell
Expires: July 14, 2018                                             Nexus
                                                        January 10, 2018

               A Decent LISP Mapping System (LISP-Decent)
                     draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00

Abstract

   This draft describes how the LISP mapping system designed to be
   distributed for scale can also be decentralized for management and
   trust.

Status of This Memo

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   provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79.

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   This Internet-Draft will expire on July 14, 2018.

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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   2.  Definition of Terms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   3.  Overview  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
   4.  Components of a LISP-Decent xTR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   5.  No LISP Protocol Changes  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   6.  Configuration and Authentication  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   7.  Core Peer-Group . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   8.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
   9.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
   10. References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     10.1.  Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     10.2.  Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
   Appendix A.  Acknowledgments  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
   Appendix B.  Document Change Log  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
     B.1.  Changes to draft-farinacci-lisp-decent  . . . . . . . . .  10
   Authors' Addresses  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10

1.  Introduction

   The LISP architecture and protocols [RFC6830] introduces two new
   numbering spaces, Endpoint Identifiers (EIDs) and Routing Locators
   (RLOCs) which is intended to provide overlay network functionality.
   To map from EID to a set or RLOCs, a control-plane mapping system are
   used [RFC6836] [RFC8111].  These mapping systems are distributed in
   nature in their deployment for scalability but are centrally managed
   by a third- party entity, namely a Mapping System Provider (MSP).
   The entities that use the mapping system, such as data-plane xTRs,
   depend on and trust the MSP.  They do not participate in the mapping
   system other than to register and retrieve information to/from the
   mapping system [RFC6833].

   This document introduces a Decentralized Mapping System (DMS) so the
   xTRs can participate in the mapping system as well as use it.  They
   can trust each other rather than rely on third-party infrastructure.
   The xTRs act as Map-Servers to maintain distributed state for scale
   and reducing attack surface.

2.  Definition of Terms

   Decentralized Mapping System (DMS):  is a mapping system entity that
      is not third-party to the xTR nodes that use it.  The xTRs
      themselves are part of the mapping system.  The state of the
      mapping system is fully distributed, decentralized, and the trust
      relies on the xTRs that use and participate in their own mapping
      system.

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   Mapping System Provider (MSP):  is an infrastructure service that
      deploys LISP Map-Resolvers and Map-Servers [RFC6833] and possibly
      ALT-nodes [RFC6836] or DDT-nodes [RFC8111].  The MSP can be
      managed by a separate organization other than the one that manages
      xTRs.  This model provides a business separation between who
      manages and is responsible for the control-plane versus who
      manages the data-plane overlay service.

   Peer-Group:  is a set of Map-Servers which are joined to the same
      multicast group that send and receive Map-Register messages
      addressed to the multicast group.  Map-Resolvers can use the peer-
      group to resolve mappings by sending Map-Requests to the multicast
      group or to any member of the peer-group.  Map-Resolvers can do a
      mapping system lookup for the peer-group multicast address to
      obtain members of the peer-group.

   Core Peer-Group:  is a set of Map-Servers and Map-Resolvers who are
      joined to a multicast group to bootstrap a multi-layer
      decentralized mapping system.

   Replication List Entry (RLE):  is an RLOC-record format that contains
      a list of RLOCs that an ITR replicates multicast packets on a
      multicast overlay.  The RLE format is specified in [RFC8060].

   Group Address EID:  is an EID-record format that contains IPv4
      (0.0.0.0/0, G) or IPv6 (0::/0, G) state.  This state is encoded as
      a Multicast Info Type LCAF specified in [RFC8060].  Members of a
      peer-group send Map-Registers for (0.0.0.0/0, G) or (0::/0, G)
      with an RLOC-record that RLE encodes its RLOC address.  Details
      are specified in [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast].

3.  Overview

   The clients of the Decentralized Mapping System (DMS) are also the
   providers of mapping state.  Clients are typically ETRs that Map-
   Register EID-to-RLOC mapping state to the mapping database system.
   ITRs are clients in that they send Map-Requests to the mapping
   database system to obtain EID-to-RLOC mappings that are cached for
   data-plane use.  When xTRs participate in a DMS, they are also acting
   as Map-Resolvers and Map-Servers using the protocol machinery defined
   in LISP control-plane specifications [RFC6833], [I-D.ietf-lisp-sec],
   and [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth].  The xTRs are not required to
   run the database mapping transport system protocols specified in
   [RFC6836] or [RFC8111].

   The xTRs are organized in a peer-group.  The peer-group is identified
   by an IPv4 or IPv6 multicast group address.  The xTRs join the same
   multicast group and receive LISP control-plane messages addressed to

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   the group.  Messages sent to the multicast group are distributed when
   the underlay network supports IP multicast [RFC6831] or is achieved
   with the overlay multicast mechanism described in
   [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast].  When overlay multicast is
   used and LISP Map-Register messages are sent to a peer-group, they
   are LISP data encapsulated with a instance-ID set to 0xffffff in the
   LISP header.  The inner header of the encapsulated packet has the
   destination address set to the peer-group multicast group address and
   the outer header that is prepended has the destination address set to
   the RLOC of peer-group member.  The members of the peer-group are
   kept in the LISP data-plane map-cache so packets for the peer-group
   can be replicated to each member RLOC.

   All xTRs in a peer-group will store the same registered mappings and
   maintain the state as Map-Servers normally do.  The peer-group
   members are not only receivers of the multicast group but also send
   packets to the group.

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4.  Components of a LISP-Decent xTR

   When an xTR is configured to be a LISP-Decent xTR (or PxTR
   [RFC6832]), it runs the ITR, ETR, Map-Resolver, and Map-Server LISP
   network functions.

   The following diagram shows 3 LISP-Decent xTRs joined to peer-group
   224.1.1.1.  When the ETR function of xTR1 originates a Map-Register,
   it is sent to all xTRs (including itself) synchronizing all 3 Map-
   Servers in xTR1, xTR2, and xTR3.  The ITR function can populate its
   map-cache by sending a Map-Request locally to its Map-Resolver so it
   can replicate packets to each RLOC for EID 224.1.1.1.

                        xTR1
 Map-Request    +--------------------+
(always local)  |  +-----+  +-----+  |
   +---------------| ITR |  | ETR |-------------+
   |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |          |
   |            |                    |          |    Map-Register to EID
   |            |      +-------+     |          |  224.1.1.1 encapsulated to
   +------------------>| MR/MS |<---------------+  RLOCs xTR1, xTR2, and xTR3
                |      +-------+     |          |
                +--------------------+          |
                                                |
                           +--------------------+------------+
                           |                                 |
                           |                                 |
                +----------v---------+            +----------v---------+
                |     +--------+     |            |     +--------+     |
                |     |  MR/MS |     |            |     |  MR/MS |     |
                |     +--------+     |            |     +--------+     |
                |  +-----+  +-----+  |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |
                |  | ITR |  | ETR |  |            |  | ITR |  | ETR |  |
                |  +-----+  +-----+  |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |
                +--------------------+            +--------------------+
                         xTR2                              xTR3

   Note if any external xTR would like to use a Map-Resolver from the
   peer-group, it only needs to have one of the LISP-Decent Map-
   Resolvers configured.  By doing a looking to this Map-Resolver for
   EID 224.1.1,1, the external xTR could get the complete list of
   members for the peer-group.

   For future study, an external xTR could multicast the Map-Request to
   224.1.1.1 and either one of the LISP-Decent Map-Resolvers would

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   return a Map-Reply or the external xTR is prepared to receive
   multiple Map-Replies.

5.  No LISP Protocol Changes

   There are no LISP protocol changes required to support this LISP-
   Decent specification.  However, an implementation that sends Map-
   Register messages to a multicast group versus a specific Map-Server
   unicast address must change to call the data-plane component so the
   ITR functionality in the node can encapsulate the Map-Register as a
   unicast packet to each member of the peer-group.

   An ITR SHOULD lookup its peer-group address periodically to determine
   if the membership has changed.  The ITR can also use the pubsub
   capability documented in [I-D.rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub] to be
   notified when a new member joins or leaves the peer-group.

6.  Configuration and Authentication

   When xTRs are joined to a multicast peer-group, they must have their
   site registration configuration consistent.  Any policy or
   authentication key material must be configured correctly and
   consistently among all members.  When [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth]
   is used to sign Map-Register messages, public-keys can be registered
   to the peer-group using the site authentication key mentioned above
   or using a different authentication key from the one used for
   registering EID records.

7.  Core Peer-Group

   A core peer-group multicast address can be preconfigured to bootstrap
   the decentralized mapping system.  The group address (or DNS name
   that maps to a group address) can be explicitly configured in a few
   xTRs to start building up the mappings.  Then as other xTRs come
   online, they can add themselves to the core peer-group by joining the
   peer-group multicast group.

   Alternatively or additionally, new xTRs can join a new peer-group
   multicast group to form another layer of a decentralized mapping
   system.  The group address and members of this new layer peer-group
   would be registered to the core peer-group address and stored in the
   core peer-group mapping system.  Note each mapping system layer could
   have a specific function or a specific circle of trust.

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   This multi-layer mapping system can be illustrated:

              __________               ---------
             /   core   \  224.2.2.2  / layer-1 \
            | peer-group | --------> |     I     |
            |  224.1.1.1 |           |    / \    |
             \__________/            |   J---K   |
                  |                   \_________/
                  | 224.3.3.3
                  |
                  v
              ---------
             / layer-2 \
            |     X     |
            |    / \    |
            |   Y---Z   |
             \_________/

   Configured in xTRs A, B, and C (they make up the core peer-group):
     224.1.1.1 -> RLE: A, B, C

   core peer-group DMS, mapping state in A, B, and C:
     224.2.2.2 -> RLE: I, J, K
     224.3.3.3 -> RLE: X, Y, Z

   layer-1 peer-group DMS (inter-continental), mapping state in I, J, K:
      EID1 -> RLOCs: i(1), j(2)
      ...
      EIDn -> RLOCs: i(n), j(n)

   layer-2 peer-group DMS (intra-continental), mapping sate in X, Y, Z::
      EIDa -> RLOCs: x(1), y(2)
      ...
      EIDz -> RLOCs: x(n), y(n)

   The core peer-group multicast address 224.1.1.1 is configured in xTRs
   A, B and C so when each of them send Map-Register messages, they
   would all be able to maintain synchronized mapping state.  Any EID
   can be registered to this DMS but in this example, peer-group
   multicast group EIDs are being registered only to find other peer-
   groups.

   For example, lets say that xTR I boots up and it wants to find its
   other peers in its peer-group 224.2.2.2.  Group address 224.2.2.2 is
   configured so xTR I knows what group to join for its peer-group.  But
   xTR I needs a mapping system to register to, so the core peer-group
   is used and available to receive Map-Registers.  The other xTRs J and

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   K in the peer-group do the same so when any of I, J or K needs to
   register EIDs, they can now send their Map-Register messages to group
   224.2.2.2.  Examples of EIDs being register are EID1 through EIDn
   shown above.

   When Map-Registers are sent to group 224.2.2.2, they are encapsulated
   by the LISP data-plane by looking up EID 224.2.2.2 in the core peer-
   group mapping system.  For the map-cache entry to be populated for
   224.2.2.2, the data-plane must send a Map-Request so the RLOCs I, J,
   and K are cached for replication.  To use the core peer-group mapping
   system, the data-plane must know of at least one of the RLOCs A, B,
   and/or C.

8.  Security Considerations

   Refer to the Security Considerations section of
   [I-D.ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis] for a complete list of security mechanisms
   as well as pointers to threat analysis drafts.

9.  IANA Considerations

   At this time there are no specific requests for IANA.

10.  References

10.1.  Normative References

   [RFC6830]  Farinacci, D., Fuller, V., Meyer, D., and D. Lewis, "The
              Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)", RFC 6830,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6830, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6830>.

   [RFC6831]  Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., Zwiebel, J., and S. Venaas, "The
              Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) for Multicast
              Environments", RFC 6831, DOI 10.17487/RFC6831, January
              2013, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6831>.

   [RFC6832]  Lewis, D., Meyer, D., Farinacci, D., and V. Fuller,
              "Interworking between Locator/ID Separation Protocol
              (LISP) and Non-LISP Sites", RFC 6832,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6832, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6832>.

   [RFC6833]  Fuller, V. and D. Farinacci, "Locator/ID Separation
              Protocol (LISP) Map-Server Interface", RFC 6833,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6833, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6833>.

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   [RFC6836]  Fuller, V., Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., and D. Lewis,
              "Locator/ID Separation Protocol Alternative Logical
              Topology (LISP+ALT)", RFC 6836, DOI 10.17487/RFC6836,
              January 2013, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6836>.

   [RFC8060]  Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., and J. Snijders, "LISP Canonical
              Address Format (LCAF)", RFC 8060, DOI 10.17487/RFC8060,
              February 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8060>.

   [RFC8111]  Fuller, V., Lewis, D., Ermagan, V., Jain, A., and A.
              Smirnov, "Locator/ID Separation Protocol Delegated
              Database Tree (LISP-DDT)", RFC 8111, DOI 10.17487/RFC8111,
              May 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8111>.

10.2.  Informative References

   [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth]
              Farinacci, D. and E. Nordmark, "LISP Control-Plane ECDSA
              Authentication and Authorization", draft-farinacci-lisp-
              ecdsa-auth-01 (work in progress), October 2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis]
              Fuller, V., Farinacci, D., and A. Cabellos-Aparicio,
              "Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Control-Plane",
              draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis-07 (work in progress), December
              2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-sec]
              Maino, F., Ermagan, V., Cabellos-Aparicio, A., and D.
              Saucez, "LISP-Security (LISP-SEC)", draft-ietf-lisp-sec-14
              (work in progress), October 2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast]
              Moreno, V. and D. Farinacci, "Signal-Free LISP Multicast",
              draft-ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast-07 (work in
              progress), November 2017.

   [I-D.rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub]
              Rodriguez-Natal, A., Ermagan, V., Leong, J., Maino, F.,
              Cabellos-Aparicio, A., Barkai, S., Farinacci, D.,
              Boucadair, M., Jacquenet, C., and s.
              stefano.secci@lip6.fr, "Publish/Subscribe Functionality
              for LISP", draft-rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub-01 (work in
              progress), October 2017.

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Appendix A.  Acknowledgments

   The authors would like to thank the LISP WG for their review and
   acceptance of this draft.

   The authors would also like to give a special thanks to Roman
   Shaposhnik for several discussions that occured before the first
   draft was published.

Appendix B.  Document Change Log

   [RFC Editor: Please delete this section on publication as RFC.]

B.1.  Changes to draft-farinacci-lisp-decent

   o  Initial draft posted January 2018.

Authors' Addresses

   Dino Farinacci
   lispers.net
   San Jose, CA
   USA

   Email: farinacci@gmail.com

   Colin Cantrell
   Nexus
   Scottsdale, AZ
   USA

   Email: colin@nexus.io

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Here is the draft of the paper Colin and Dino wrote together if anyone missed it:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent/


Network Working Group                                       D. Farinacci
Internet-Draft                                               lispers.net
Intended status: Experimental                                C. Cantrell
Expires: July 14, 2018                                             Nexus
                                                        January 10, 2018

               A Decent LISP Mapping System (LISP-Decent)
                     draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00

Abstract

   This draft describes how the LISP mapping system designed to be
   distributed for scale can also be decentralized for management and
   trust.

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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   2.  Definition of Terms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   3.  Overview  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
   4.  Components of a LISP-Decent xTR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   5.  No LISP Protocol Changes  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   6.  Configuration and Authentication  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   7.  Core Peer-Group . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   8.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
   9.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
   10. References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     10.1.  Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     10.2.  Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
   Appendix A.  Acknowledgments  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
   Appendix B.  Document Change Log  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
     B.1.  Changes to draft-farinacci-lisp-decent  . . . . . . . . .  10
   Authors' Addresses  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10

1.  Introduction

   The LISP architecture and protocols [RFC6830] introduces two new
   numbering spaces, Endpoint Identifiers (EIDs) and Routing Locators
   (RLOCs) which is intended to provide overlay network functionality.
   To map from EID to a set or RLOCs, a control-plane mapping system are
   used [RFC6836] [RFC8111].  These mapping systems are distributed in
   nature in their deployment for scalability but are centrally managed
   by a third- party entity, namely a Mapping System Provider (MSP).
   The entities that use the mapping system, such as data-plane xTRs,
   depend on and trust the MSP.  They do not participate in the mapping
   system other than to register and retrieve information to/from the
   mapping system [RFC6833].

   This document introduces a Decentralized Mapping System (DMS) so the
   xTRs can participate in the mapping system as well as use it.  They
   can trust each other rather than rely on third-party infrastructure.
   The xTRs act as Map-Servers to maintain distributed state for scale
   and reducing attack surface.

2.  Definition of Terms

   Decentralized Mapping System (DMS):  is a mapping system entity that
      is not third-party to the xTR nodes that use it.  The xTRs
      themselves are part of the mapping system.  The state of the
      mapping system is fully distributed, decentralized, and the trust
      relies on the xTRs that use and participate in their own mapping
      system.

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   Mapping System Provider (MSP):  is an infrastructure service that
      deploys LISP Map-Resolvers and Map-Servers [RFC6833] and possibly
      ALT-nodes [RFC6836] or DDT-nodes [RFC8111].  The MSP can be
      managed by a separate organization other than the one that manages
      xTRs.  This model provides a business separation between who
      manages and is responsible for the control-plane versus who
      manages the data-plane overlay service.

   Peer-Group:  is a set of Map-Servers which are joined to the same
      multicast group that send and receive Map-Register messages
      addressed to the multicast group.  Map-Resolvers can use the peer-
      group to resolve mappings by sending Map-Requests to the multicast
      group or to any member of the peer-group.  Map-Resolvers can do a
      mapping system lookup for the peer-group multicast address to
      obtain members of the peer-group.

   Core Peer-Group:  is a set of Map-Servers and Map-Resolvers who are
      joined to a multicast group to bootstrap a multi-layer
      decentralized mapping system.

   Replication List Entry (RLE):  is an RLOC-record format that contains
      a list of RLOCs that an ITR replicates multicast packets on a
      multicast overlay.  The RLE format is specified in [RFC8060].

   Group Address EID:  is an EID-record format that contains IPv4
      (0.0.0.0/0, G) or IPv6 (0::/0, G) state.  This state is encoded as
      a Multicast Info Type LCAF specified in [RFC8060].  Members of a
      peer-group send Map-Registers for (0.0.0.0/0, G) or (0::/0, G)
      with an RLOC-record that RLE encodes its RLOC address.  Details
      are specified in [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast].

3.  Overview

   The clients of the Decentralized Mapping System (DMS) are also the
   providers of mapping state.  Clients are typically ETRs that Map-
   Register EID-to-RLOC mapping state to the mapping database system.
   ITRs are clients in that they send Map-Requests to the mapping
   database system to obtain EID-to-RLOC mappings that are cached for
   data-plane use.  When xTRs participate in a DMS, they are also acting
   as Map-Resolvers and Map-Servers using the protocol machinery defined
   in LISP control-plane specifications [RFC6833], [I-D.ietf-lisp-sec],
   and [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth].  The xTRs are not required to
   run the database mapping transport system protocols specified in
   [RFC6836] or [RFC8111].

   The xTRs are organized in a peer-group.  The peer-group is identified
   by an IPv4 or IPv6 multicast group address.  The xTRs join the same
   multicast group and receive LISP control-plane messages addressed to

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   the group.  Messages sent to the multicast group are distributed when
   the underlay network supports IP multicast [RFC6831] or is achieved
   with the overlay multicast mechanism described in
   [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast].  When overlay multicast is
   used and LISP Map-Register messages are sent to a peer-group, they
   are LISP data encapsulated with a instance-ID set to 0xffffff in the
   LISP header.  The inner header of the encapsulated packet has the
   destination address set to the peer-group multicast group address and
   the outer header that is prepended has the destination address set to
   the RLOC of peer-group member.  The members of the peer-group are
   kept in the LISP data-plane map-cache so packets for the peer-group
   can be replicated to each member RLOC.

   All xTRs in a peer-group will store the same registered mappings and
   maintain the state as Map-Servers normally do.  The peer-group
   members are not only receivers of the multicast group but also send
   packets to the group.

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4.  Components of a LISP-Decent xTR

   When an xTR is configured to be a LISP-Decent xTR (or PxTR
   [RFC6832]), it runs the ITR, ETR, Map-Resolver, and Map-Server LISP
   network functions.

   The following diagram shows 3 LISP-Decent xTRs joined to peer-group
   224.1.1.1.  When the ETR function of xTR1 originates a Map-Register,
   it is sent to all xTRs (including itself) synchronizing all 3 Map-
   Servers in xTR1, xTR2, and xTR3.  The ITR function can populate its
   map-cache by sending a Map-Request locally to its Map-Resolver so it
   can replicate packets to each RLOC for EID 224.1.1.1.

                        xTR1
 Map-Request    +--------------------+
(always local)  |  +-----+  +-----+  |
   +---------------| ITR |  | ETR |-------------+
   |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |          |
   |            |                    |          |    Map-Register to EID
   |            |      +-------+     |          |  224.1.1.1 encapsulated to
   +------------------>| MR/MS |<---------------+  RLOCs xTR1, xTR2, and xTR3
                |      +-------+     |          |
                +--------------------+          |
                                                |
                           +--------------------+------------+
                           |                                 |
                           |                                 |
                +----------v---------+            +----------v---------+
                |     +--------+     |            |     +--------+     |
                |     |  MR/MS |     |            |     |  MR/MS |     |
                |     +--------+     |            |     +--------+     |
                |  +-----+  +-----+  |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |
                |  | ITR |  | ETR |  |            |  | ITR |  | ETR |  |
                |  +-----+  +-----+  |            |  +-----+  +-----+  |
                +--------------------+            +--------------------+
                         xTR2                              xTR3

   Note if any external xTR would like to use a Map-Resolver from the
   peer-group, it only needs to have one of the LISP-Decent Map-
   Resolvers configured.  By doing a looking to this Map-Resolver for
   EID 224.1.1,1, the external xTR could get the complete list of
   members for the peer-group.

   For future study, an external xTR could multicast the Map-Request to
   224.1.1.1 and either one of the LISP-Decent Map-Resolvers would

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   return a Map-Reply or the external xTR is prepared to receive
   multiple Map-Replies.

5.  No LISP Protocol Changes

   There are no LISP protocol changes required to support this LISP-
   Decent specification.  However, an implementation that sends Map-
   Register messages to a multicast group versus a specific Map-Server
   unicast address must change to call the data-plane component so the
   ITR functionality in the node can encapsulate the Map-Register as a
   unicast packet to each member of the peer-group.

   An ITR SHOULD lookup its peer-group address periodically to determine
   if the membership has changed.  The ITR can also use the pubsub
   capability documented in [I-D.rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub] to be
   notified when a new member joins or leaves the peer-group.

6.  Configuration and Authentication

   When xTRs are joined to a multicast peer-group, they must have their
   site registration configuration consistent.  Any policy or
   authentication key material must be configured correctly and
   consistently among all members.  When [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth]
   is used to sign Map-Register messages, public-keys can be registered
   to the peer-group using the site authentication key mentioned above
   or using a different authentication key from the one used for
   registering EID records.

7.  Core Peer-Group

   A core peer-group multicast address can be preconfigured to bootstrap
   the decentralized mapping system.  The group address (or DNS name
   that maps to a group address) can be explicitly configured in a few
   xTRs to start building up the mappings.  Then as other xTRs come
   online, they can add themselves to the core peer-group by joining the
   peer-group multicast group.

   Alternatively or additionally, new xTRs can join a new peer-group
   multicast group to form another layer of a decentralized mapping
   system.  The group address and members of this new layer peer-group
   would be registered to the core peer-group address and stored in the
   core peer-group mapping system.  Note each mapping system layer could
   have a specific function or a specific circle of trust.

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   This multi-layer mapping system can be illustrated:

              __________               ---------
             /   core   \  224.2.2.2  / layer-1 \
            | peer-group | --------> |     I     |
            |  224.1.1.1 |           |    / \    |
             \__________/            |   J---K   |
                  |                   \_________/
                  | 224.3.3.3
                  |
                  v
              ---------
             / layer-2 \
            |     X     |
            |    / \    |
            |   Y---Z   |
             \_________/

   Configured in xTRs A, B, and C (they make up the core peer-group):
     224.1.1.1 -> RLE: A, B, C

   core peer-group DMS, mapping state in A, B, and C:
     224.2.2.2 -> RLE: I, J, K
     224.3.3.3 -> RLE: X, Y, Z

   layer-1 peer-group DMS (inter-continental), mapping state in I, J, K:
      EID1 -> RLOCs: i(1), j(2)
      ...
      EIDn -> RLOCs: i(n), j(n)

   layer-2 peer-group DMS (intra-continental), mapping sate in X, Y, Z::
      EIDa -> RLOCs: x(1), y(2)
      ...
      EIDz -> RLOCs: x(n), y(n)

   The core peer-group multicast address 224.1.1.1 is configured in xTRs
   A, B and C so when each of them send Map-Register messages, they
   would all be able to maintain synchronized mapping state.  Any EID
   can be registered to this DMS but in this example, peer-group
   multicast group EIDs are being registered only to find other peer-
   groups.

   For example, lets say that xTR I boots up and it wants to find its
   other peers in its peer-group 224.2.2.2.  Group address 224.2.2.2 is
   configured so xTR I knows what group to join for its peer-group.  But
   xTR I needs a mapping system to register to, so the core peer-group
   is used and available to receive Map-Registers.  The other xTRs J and

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   K in the peer-group do the same so when any of I, J or K needs to
   register EIDs, they can now send their Map-Register messages to group
   224.2.2.2.  Examples of EIDs being register are EID1 through EIDn
   shown above.

   When Map-Registers are sent to group 224.2.2.2, they are encapsulated
   by the LISP data-plane by looking up EID 224.2.2.2 in the core peer-
   group mapping system.  For the map-cache entry to be populated for
   224.2.2.2, the data-plane must send a Map-Request so the RLOCs I, J,
   and K are cached for replication.  To use the core peer-group mapping
   system, the data-plane must know of at least one of the RLOCs A, B,
   and/or C.

8.  Security Considerations

   Refer to the Security Considerations section of
   [I-D.ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis] for a complete list of security mechanisms
   as well as pointers to threat analysis drafts.

9.  IANA Considerations

   At this time there are no specific requests for IANA.

10.  References

10.1.  Normative References

   [RFC6830]  Farinacci, D., Fuller, V., Meyer, D., and D. Lewis, "The
              Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)", RFC 6830,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6830, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6830>.

   [RFC6831]  Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., Zwiebel, J., and S. Venaas, "The
              Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) for Multicast
              Environments", RFC 6831, DOI 10.17487/RFC6831, January
              2013, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6831>.

   [RFC6832]  Lewis, D., Meyer, D., Farinacci, D., and V. Fuller,
              "Interworking between Locator/ID Separation Protocol
              (LISP) and Non-LISP Sites", RFC 6832,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6832, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6832>.

   [RFC6833]  Fuller, V. and D. Farinacci, "Locator/ID Separation
              Protocol (LISP) Map-Server Interface", RFC 6833,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6833, January 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6833>.

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   [RFC6836]  Fuller, V., Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., and D. Lewis,
              "Locator/ID Separation Protocol Alternative Logical
              Topology (LISP+ALT)", RFC 6836, DOI 10.17487/RFC6836,
              January 2013, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6836>.

   [RFC8060]  Farinacci, D., Meyer, D., and J. Snijders, "LISP Canonical
              Address Format (LCAF)", RFC 8060, DOI 10.17487/RFC8060,
              February 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8060>.

   [RFC8111]  Fuller, V., Lewis, D., Ermagan, V., Jain, A., and A.
              Smirnov, "Locator/ID Separation Protocol Delegated
              Database Tree (LISP-DDT)", RFC 8111, DOI 10.17487/RFC8111,
              May 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8111>.

10.2.  Informative References

   [I-D.farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth]
              Farinacci, D. and E. Nordmark, "LISP Control-Plane ECDSA
              Authentication and Authorization", draft-farinacci-lisp-
              ecdsa-auth-01 (work in progress), October 2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis]
              Fuller, V., Farinacci, D., and A. Cabellos-Aparicio,
              "Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP) Control-Plane",
              draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis-07 (work in progress), December
              2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-sec]
              Maino, F., Ermagan, V., Cabellos-Aparicio, A., and D.
              Saucez, "LISP-Security (LISP-SEC)", draft-ietf-lisp-sec-14
              (work in progress), October 2017.

   [I-D.ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast]
              Moreno, V. and D. Farinacci, "Signal-Free LISP Multicast",
              draft-ietf-lisp-signal-free-multicast-07 (work in
              progress), November 2017.

   [I-D.rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub]
              Rodriguez-Natal, A., Ermagan, V., Leong, J., Maino, F.,
              Cabellos-Aparicio, A., Barkai, S., Farinacci, D.,
              Boucadair, M., Jacquenet, C., and s.
              stefano.secci@lip6.fr, "Publish/Subscribe Functionality
              for LISP", draft-rodrigueznatal-lisp-pubsub-01 (work in
              progress), October 2017.

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Appendix A.  Acknowledgments

   The authors would like to thank the LISP WG for their review and
   acceptance of this draft.

   The authors would also like to give a special thanks to Roman
   Shaposhnik for several discussions that occured before the first
   draft was published.

Appendix B.  Document Change Log

   [RFC Editor: Please delete this section on publication as RFC.]

B.1.  Changes to draft-farinacci-lisp-decent

   o  Initial draft posted January 2018.

Authors' Addresses

   Dino Farinacci
   lispers.net
   San Jose, CA
   USA

   Email: farinacci@gmail.com

   Colin Cantrell
   Nexus
   Scottsdale, AZ
   USA

   Email: colin@nexus.io

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32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: March 20, 2018, 09:27:40 AM
Nexus is pleased to announce the integration of the LISP (Locator Identity Separation Protocol) network architecture with Nexus Earth which allows the Nexus blockchain to run over a secure open overlay.  LISP was created by Dino Farinacci, in partnership with several Cisco engineers, and is being developed and standardized by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF).  Dino founded lispers.net after being a Cisco Fellow. At Cisco Systems he designed and implemented dozens of protocols: “more than anyone on earth”.

LISP helps the internet scale, and provides secure features for today’s newer applications, by encapsulating a packet with identifiers into a packet with topological locators.  This allows the internet to route packets based on location rather than identifiers, enabling it to scale by holding less routing state.  As the lispers.net website explains: “We are building state-of-the art, next generation internet architectures and protocols that enable modern-use applications to scale securely and run efficiently”.

The Ciscso website notes: “LISP is a network architecture and set of protocols that implements a new semantic for IP addressing.  LISP creates two namespaces and uses two IP addresses: Endpoint Identifiers (EIDs), which are assigned to end-hosts, and Routing Locators (RLOCs), which are assigned to devices (primarily routers) that make up the global routing system.”

Why is this Important

The network keeps growing with the expanding number of users and devices (think wireless phone, computers, wireless earbuds, iPads etc) so we need to have a way to consolidate data in order for the network to handle more traffic from more devices.  Our internet currently runs on IPv4 which can handle 4.3 billion IP addresses, fewer than the number of people in the world. Once you add in multiple devices you can see where the current system needs to scale, and thus IPv6 comes into play.  However the transition to IPv6 started in 1990 and is still not completed.  LISP allows identifiers to be IPv6 addresses while the core does not have to be completely converted to IPv6 so we can address 2^128 nodes (3.4E38 addresses), close to addressing every particle (1.33E50) on earth (off by 10^12).

You can read more about IPv4 and IPv6 here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/internet-now-officially-too-big-ip-addresses-run-out-n386081

LISP also speeds up the user experience, as we currently don’t take the shortest path between communication devices with intermediaries such as ISPs.  LISP provides increased speed & scalability.

Taking the shortest path between devices has additional implications.  Peer to peer, or direct device to device, communication equates to a more secure, decentralized network mitigating delays and connection interruptions.  The devices that attach to the network will have multiple connections and continuously be moving around.  We want applications to keep their connections up during roaming, mitigating latency.

How LISP Works Exactly

With LISP the user receives an EID (end-point ID), which is a static Identity.  Instead of your identity changing each time you move your devices, it stays fixed and encrypted, allowing everything to run more smoothly.  Comparing this to blockchain, your EID basically becomes the “trust key” for your identity.  This EID or address is the same address you would be using today on your devices, but the address can remain assigned to you and is independent of how and where you connect to the network.  An EID can be a “Crypto-EID”, so when a private/public key-pair is allocated to the device, the Crypto-EID is a hash of the public-key.  Therefore, your identity is based on your crypto credentials, much like your Nexus Wallet address.

LISP & Nexus

For the last few months Nexus has been successfully test running two Nexus nodes, Nexus 1 & Nexus 2, that have been assigned EIDs and are using the LISP overlay.

How LISP helps Nexus

Just a single feature of LISP benefits Nexus, but there are many.  LISP allows Nexus to have all of its data packets encrypted when traveling over the network.  With LISP providing a direct route for information to travel there are no eavesdroppers in the middle of information transfer, providing privacy of transactions.  Did you know that disclosing your physical location is a privacy issue?  LISP is essentially bringing HTTPS (Hyper Text Transfer Protocol Secure) level security to Nexus.

Another way that LISP enhances Nexus is by running the blockchain over IPv6 even if the whole internet is not running on it.  Nexus runs on an IPv6 overlay where LISP will allow it to connect to the IPv4 underlay.

Nexus & LISP at the Internet Engineering Task Force 101

Colin Cantrell, Chief Architect and founder of Nexus will be speaking with Dino Farinacci on Monday March 19th at The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 101 in London on LISP and the future of blockchain technology.

For more tech detail, please visit this draft published to IETF by Colin Cantrell & Dino Farinacci:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent/

https://nexusearth.com/news/nexus-integration-with-the-lisp-network-architecture/
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Experiences with CoinsMarkets.com? on: March 19, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
tick tock , tick tock , a few more shit coins dropped on the block.

this is a joke, i am very happy i have nothing valuable there.

You're the joke - you're the type of fuck that would stab your mother in the back for a dollar, too. 
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: March 16, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Wyoming makes the right decision for crypto-currencies -
 https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-wyoming-set-precedent-by-creating-new-asset-class-for-cryptos-hopes-to-inspire-feds
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: March 16, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
This month, we are excited to share with you an update from Phil Swazey who is our Lead Satellite Engineer but you can call him “SatelliteGuy”:

The Nexus One satellite, likely to be known as NXS1, shall be built by Space Inventor (http://space-inventor.com/). To the best of Nexus’ knowledge this might be the first satellite ever purchased using crypto currency and would set a new precedent.

This first satellite will be a 1U form factor which is 10cmx10cmx10cm and launched on a Vector rocket (https://vector-launch.com/).

The planned satellite launch location is the Pacific Spaceport Complex – Alaska which was formerly known as the Kodiak Launch Complex. The satellite is currently planned to be launched into a sun-synchronous orbit.

Operations of the satellite will be performed from Space Inventors facility and tracking station in Denmark. Nexus is also considering whether to build a satellite tracking facility in Arizona to initially receive data from the satellite and perhaps even eventually operate the satellite.

The design of the satellite is very basic, and it will not have a propulsion system on board. It will maintain a 3-axis nadir pointing attitude and utilize a UHF transceiver for communications. Nexus will need to obtain an FCC experimental license to launch and operate the satellite, which has not yet been achieved.  Nexus will also need to apply for an FCC license to operate any ground stations to be located in the United States or its territories.

All of these plans may be changed or cancelled at any time for any reason, but the above is the current likely path the organization is heading.  Additional information on this program might be further disclosed in the coming months in due course.

Here is an update from Vector too:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/03/vector-founder-100-percent-confident-in-first-orbital-launch-this-year/

- Scooped off Nexus reddit
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER *** on: March 15, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
POWER LEDGER's POWR tokens have value independent of cryptocurrencies' mayhem because they provide access to the Power Ledger trading platform' - a Real World Utility:
http://www.afr.com/business/energy/blockchain-energy-trading-firm-power-ledger-rides-bitcoin-rollercoaster-20180206-h0v1wq


I agree however that platform needs to be implemented and not copied. I believe there are a number of power companies looking at introducing blockchain so I would be curious to know how PL can protect their product.

Power Ledger is too far ahead of the game - they will be a multi-billion dollar company by the end of 2019.
Things are moving fast, and PL has all the infrastructure in place in far more countries.
Prime Mover advantage wins.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER *** on: March 15, 2018, 04:59:23 AM
POWER LEDGER's POWR tokens have value independent of cryptocurrencies' mayhem because they provide access to the Power Ledger trading platform' - a Real World Utility:
http://www.afr.com/business/energy/blockchain-energy-trading-firm-power-ledger-rides-bitcoin-rollercoaster-20180206-h0v1wq
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER *** on: March 15, 2018, 04:48:10 AM
So POWR tokens are erc20 tokens on Ethereum for the time being. Once their software is ready all this tokens will be transfered to its own blockchain? or will develop in another way
https://powerledger.io/media/Power-Ledger-Whitepaper-v8.pdf
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nexus - Pure SHA3 + CPU/GPU + nPoS + 15 Active Innovations + More to Come on: March 14, 2018, 06:11:09 AM
Mass sale is on for Nexus while the whole market is rising.

Meanwhile, back in reality, the entire marketcap is only 374 Billion -
So the 'whole market rising' is another deep demonic lie straight out of the hell of your ass.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][TKS]TOKES Platform | Empowering the Cannabis Industry on: March 13, 2018, 10:00:56 PM
Tokes on Channel 13 in Vegas - Nov 2017

https://www.ktnv.com/news/tech-company-looks-to-make-marijuana-dispensaries-safer
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