Over the course of my many years of involvement in highly distributed systems and the blockchain I've become increasingly interested in how blockchain technology can be used to create trustless distrubuted systems and how this can be leveraged in more traditional applications. One thing I've been thinking about a lot recently is if a blockchain solution with a similar contract mechanism and supplier/consumer relationships to the file storage chains (Filecoin, Sia, Storj, etc) could be applied to the running of assets within the kubernetes ecosystem. It seems like a logical extension of the existing technology, but would have unique security requirements to ensure the safety of the host machine (likely by isolating the k8s cluster and pods within a virtualized environment and creating a pod/service combo responsible for inbound network connections and the general network security of the cluster). I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on a system like this and start a discussion surrounding the implications of attempting to open such a broad scope of functionality in a trustless environment. I'm aware of other companies attempting to do something in a narrower scope like https://cpucoin.io/ by exposing a very narrow set of compute resources however I have not found any projects attempting to tackle a larger problem subset like total kubernetes or VM rental mechanisms. |
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We have been getting a lot of people asking us where to buy/sell Dero. Currently, Dero is trading on Stocks.Exchange ( https://bit.ly/2mwZo6P) and TradeOgre.com ( https://bit.ly/2JE8eZy), with more exchanges on the way. Please feel free to reach out to the Dero team or DCAB with any questions. |
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Hello everyone! I would like to enthusiastically announce that I've officially returned full time as the Community Manager with the Dero Project!  I've spent some time reviewing all of our official and many unofficial channels of communication to see what has been on your minds in my brief absence. I've compiled a list of requests, suggestions, and general feedback that I've added to my to do/to review lists. I will continue to be around all of our communication platforms as frequently as before to provide support and answer any questions you may have in an expeditious manner. I can assure everyone that with negotiations settled I'm here for the long haul and I can't wait to be allowed to discuss all the remarkable progress the Dero team has been continuing to make when I'm permitted to do so. Serena After negotiations settled about her pay |
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@cpmcgrat, Stop and finish this here.
Don't comment on any issues on which you don't have any info like whether Serena is paid or not to manage the community. It takes more than technical knowledge & pay for her efforts and support to the community.
Check my post last page or so. Already apologized for any doubts/errors/mis-understandings.
My team and their respect will be top most and above everything. Believe and follow what kryptoid said above.
Its just wrong time wrong place, nothing more.
Pm me here/slack if still any issues.
Captain, I appreciate your apology and personal approach to the situation. However, I still feel --Serena--'s actions are wrong and unjustified and would like an apology from her. I do know she is paid, she commented here back in February about how she was leaving as community manager because you were not paying her enough. Then came back when you reached a resolution. Hello everyone! I would like to enthusiastically announce that I've officially returned full time as the Community Manager with the Dero Project! I've spent some time reviewing all of our official and many unofficial channels of communication to see what has been on your minds in my brief absence. I've compiled a list of requests, suggestions, and general feedback that I've added to my to do/to review lists. I will continue to be around all of our communication platforms as frequently as before to provide support and answer any questions you may have in an expeditious manner. I can assure everyone that with negotiations settled I'm here for the long haul and I can't wait to be allowed to discuss all the remarkable progress the Dero team has been continuing to make when I'm permitted to do so. Serena Also, I would PM you via slack if my account was not permanently banned. That was the start of all of this. |
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...However, at this point, out of principal I cannot and will not let this go if that is your final position.
I know there are two sides to every story, but your side is looking worse and worse with every post you make. I've exchanged a few PMs with --Serena-- over the last few months and I have always found her to be honorable, truthful and professional; you, on the other hand, wrote this on April 22: Honestly, this thread has been bumming me out, I’ve been a staunch supporter of Dero for months now and used to love the community’s helpful, synergistic vibe. I used to visit this thread and the Dero forum multiple times a day, but find myself coming less and less. The holier-than-thou approach of the team to an outpouring of disappointment from their early supporters and the toxicity that breeds has killed what I used to love coming to this community for.
I think I’m going to look for another project to join and back. Not sure I can keep going with this community in its current state.
That's not exactly what I would call "being supportive of DERO" as you have claimed to always be. And let's not forget your demand to audit the source code, which could be construed as quite alarming if viewed from the prism of competitive advantage. My advice - worth the price paid - is that you take a few days or weeks or whatever to cool off and quit posting knee-jerk responses to every slight, real or imagined. I have previously as well with other issues I have encountered (forking, payments, etc) found her to be friendly, helpful and professional. I am making sure to honor my previous assessments of character in every post I make because I am in as much disbelief as anyone over how this current situation has been handled. Looking backwards at my history, I have been supportive. To your credit, there are posts about the ASICs and Auditing that I feel needed more attention and explanation as to why such an uncoventional path was being taken. Like I’ve said previously, my tone can be standoffish, which I’m well aware of, but I discuss that here because I care deeply about this project. If you remember the audit thread, I was not asking to personally audit it, I was asking to have it audited by any third party. It was not my intention to gain any competitive advantage, only to strengthen the project by addressing issues I’m certain other people were, and are continuing to, think about. I desperately want this project to be successful, and am an opinionated person by nature. I would not be spending so much of my day on this point if I did not care deeply. For this point I feel the issuance of bans based on non-publically available data (PMs) with no proof offered to the community other than I was rude is defeating to the vision of Dero to provide the world with a private, secure, decentralized platform. By definition blockchain, and especially private blockchain, is supposed to be among the most democratic and free systems of information flow there are. I wish this was all different from the beginning and never happened, but I cannot let it go for that reason alone. I was personally banned for things that happened in PMs and I totally deserved it, especially in hindsight. My advice to you would be to take it like a man and apologize instead of demanding an apology. You're only digging yourself a deeper grave as far as what's left of your dignity. Also, I didn't flood the ANN with my rebuttals and I would advise you to do the same if you intend to keep any respect from the community. You did something out of line and there was retribution. Deal with it. Last note (just from a personal level) I'm sure you deserved it so, stop playing victim. Like I said, I was mad at first but later realized it was justified. The same realization will probably come to you. My point is that should not be happening in the first place. I have apologized to the team for any misunderstanding that may have occurred. It does not matter whether or not I deserve it, it is he-said-she-said at this point and I cannot prove or disprove what occurred in PMs without access to my account. It is concerning that you got a ban as well. How many people has —Serena— banned because she didn’t like the contents of PMs? That does not seem right at all. I have seen you around here for a long time contributing to this community and are close to the project. It is my belief that blockchain projects should be egalitarian on all fronts. However, I would like an apology. —Serena— is paid to manage the community. How many paid employees of a companies you have interacted with have banned you from communicating then slandered you? I know if I received treatment like this from a company, whether retail, corporate, or otherwise, I would be furious and make sure it was known how that organization treats people. I don’t know why the expectation should be any different here. I have invested a lot of time, money and energy in this project. With all due respect, I'm not going to back down from standing up for what I believe is right simply because I'm expected to. |
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...However, at this point, out of principal I cannot and will not let this go if that is your final position.
I know there are two sides to every story, but your side is looking worse and worse with every post you make. I've exchanged a few PMs with --Serena-- over the last few months and I have always found her to be honorable, truthful and professional; you, on the other hand, wrote this on April 22: Honestly, this thread has been bumming me out, I’ve been a staunch supporter of Dero for months now and used to love the community’s helpful, synergistic vibe. I used to visit this thread and the Dero forum multiple times a day, but find myself coming less and less. The holier-than-thou approach of the team to an outpouring of disappointment from their early supporters and the toxicity that breeds has killed what I used to love coming to this community for.
I think I’m going to look for another project to join and back. Not sure I can keep going with this community in its current state.
That's not exactly what I would call "being supportive of DERO" as you have claimed to always be. And let's not forget your demand to audit the source code, which could be construed as quite alarming if viewed from the prism of competitive advantage. My advice - worth the price paid - is that you take a few days or weeks or whatever to cool off and quit posting knee-jerk responses to every slight, real or imagined. I have previously as well with other issues I have encountered (forking, payments, etc) found her to be friendly, helpful and professional. I am making sure to honor my previous assessments of character in every post I make because I am in as much disbelief as anyone over how this current situation has been handled. Looking backwards at my history, I have been supportive. To your credit, there are posts about the ASICs and Auditing that I feel needed more attention and explanation as to why such an uncoventional path was being taken. Like I’ve said previously, my tone can be standoffish, which I’m well aware of, but I discuss that here because I care deeply about this project. If you remember the audit thread, I was not asking to personally audit it, I was asking to have it audited by any third party. It was not my intention to gain any competitive advantage, only to strengthen the project by addressing issues I’m certain other people were, and are continuing to, think about. I desperately want this project to be successful, and am an opinionated person by nature. I would not be spending so much of my day on this point if I did not care deeply. For this point I feel the issuance of bans based on non-publically available data (PMs) with no proof offered to the community other than I was rude is defeating to the vision of Dero to provide the world with a private, secure, decentralized platform. By definition blockchain, and especially private blockchain, is supposed to be among the most democratic and free systems of information flow there are. I wish this was all different from the beginning and never happened, but I cannot let it go for that reason alone. |
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You're of course welcome to continue as you please. However, my position on this is final, and I hope that you're able to move on in your own time. --Serena--, I do not know why you continue to be disdainful and disrespectful towards me. As a paid community manager I would expect you to be able to accept some constructive criticism, comport yourself with more professionalism and work with me; not hand out bans because you do not like or cannot handle what you are hearing. Especially over PM. In the public channels I was sure to explain my position and apologize for any affront or miscommunication of tone or otherwise that occurred. Despite what you and others may believe at this point, I do strongly believe in this project and do not want to harm it in any way. I not once attacked you or Mojo as people, to the contrary, I’ve come to like both of you a great deal over the past months. I only offered my anecdotal opinion about how I believe the community could be improved based on the chain of feelings I experienced following the initial exchange. I did this in a PM because I have found you to be quite effective in the past, and have been vocal about that. However, at this point, out of principal I cannot and will not let this go if that is your final position. |
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@cpmcgrat , Sorry for all misunderstandings and errors.
You are welcome.
Captain, thank you very much. I have always appreciated you and the hard work you do here. You are without a doubt one of the best networking and security engineers I have encountered in a long time, and I do not give that compliment out lightly. However, I cannot help but feel unwelcome. I have been vilified, banned from the slack channel and censored. That feels incredibly wrong to me. As a publicly supported project on a blockchain, the removal of censorship and centralization is a core tenant, especially for a privacy coin. It appears your project is becoming centralized and censored. I know I may be overreacting, but at the moment I am not happy with how this was all handled. I'm sure I just need time to cool off, the rational engineer in me loves this project for its merits, but my emotional side is haywire right now. To be honest, at this point for me to feel welcome, I would need my Slack account to be reinstated and a sincere public apology from —Serena— on the general channel where I was, and continue to be, slandered. I’m willing to admit my tone may have been standoffish, I may have been a little harsh in my emotional state and I’m sorry for any pain that may have caused. That was not my intention in the slightest and I’d hope my history with this community would help attest to that. The narrative in Slack being pushed is still being justified by telling the community that my PMs were rude enough to justify a ban without providing any evidence, despite people questioning yours and @Mojo's behavior @--Serena--. Can you go cry somewhere else? This forum is for Dero, it's technology, and what it is bringing to the world. Not people banned for being rude and then crying for attention. Thanks, much appreciated. I understand, and for months I have been active supporting this project both technically (through mining and technical support here and over slack) and my promoting Dero over other channels. If you look back through the post history you will find I’ve been around here since February supporting this project. I believe in this project and have quite a large amount of the publically available supply of DERO, and I intend to keep it that way moving forward. However, I feel personally affronted by the team and will use whatever platforms I can to get my message out there until I feel —Serena— and the team has made it right. |
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@cpmcgrat , Sorry for all misunderstandings and errors.
You are welcome.
Captain, thank you very much. I have always appreciated you and the hard work you do here. You are without a doubt one of the best networking and security engineers I have encountered in a long time, and I do not give that compliment out lightly. However, I cannot help but feel unwelcome. I have been vilified, banned from the slack channel and censored. That feels incredibly wrong to me. As a publicly supported project on a blockchain, the removal of censorship and centralization is a core tenant, especially for a privacy coin. It appears your project is becoming centralized and censored. I know I may be overreacting, but at the moment I am not happy with how this was all handled. I'm sure I just need time to cool off, the rational engineer in me loves this project for its merits, but my emotional side is haywire right now. To be honest, at this point for me to feel welcome, I would need my Slack account to be reinstated and a sincere public apology from —Serena— on the general channel where I was, and continue to be, slandered. I’m willing to admit my tone may have been standoffish, I may have been a little harsh in my emotional state and I’m sorry for any pain that may have caused. That was not my intention in the slightest and I’d hope my history with this community would help attest to that. The narrative in Slack being pushed is still being justified by telling the community that my PMs were rude enough to justify a ban without providing any evidence, despite people questioning yours and @Mojo's behavior @--Serena--. |
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Hello everyone! The entire Dero team is excited to announce that the Atlantis testnet is now available for public testing ( http://seeds.dero.io/testnet/) To start mining on the testnet you will need to create a new wallet The command to start mining needs to be used in the daemon - start_mining <address> <# of threads > C:\Users\robot\Desktop\dero_windows_amd64\dero_windows_amd64./derod-windows-amd64 --testnet C:\Users\robot\Desktop\dero_windows_amd64\dero_windows_amd64./derod-wallet-cli-windows-amd64 --testnet (edited) If you're getting notices about your system time please update using NTP (or if you're on windows, cycle the auto time sync on/off) So exciting! Can’t wait to get this up on all my machines. |
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@cpmcgrat , Sorry for all misunderstandings and errors.
You are welcome.
Captain, thank you very much. I have always appreciated you and the hard work you do here. You are without a doubt one of the best networking and security engineers I have encountered in a long time, and I do not give that compliment out lightly. However, I cannot help but feel unwelcome. I have been vilified, banned from the slack channel and censored. That feels incredibly wrong to me. As a publicly supported project on a blockchain, the removal of censorship and centralization is a core tenant, especially for a privacy coin. It appears your project is becoming centralized and censored. I know I may be overreacting, but at the moment I am not happy with how this was all handled. I'm sure I just need time to cool off, the rational engineer in me loves this project for its merits, but my emotional side is haywire right now. |
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Serena, did you ban me from the slack channel? I despise Slack but I actually went ahead and signed up for DERO's workspace just to see what the commotion was about... After Mojo’s response to my question I felt hurt and expressed my feelings to the team with apologies for any sort of miscommunications that may have surfaced. ...and, looks like there is plenty of blame to go around: Mojo was an ass; you were an ass; Serena lost her cool, while "Our Captain, O' Captain" is as icy as a dewar of liquid nitrogen, as per usual. And now I can't wait to see how Slack abuses my privacy. EDIT - don't bother replying to Jack Cparrow - he just got reported for plagiarism (post #45 in this thread) MagicSmoker, I am well aware that my tone may come off as standoffish, it generally does. I felt personally attacked for no reason and expressed that. Was I too harsh? Maybe. But I do not believe that warrants censorship. |
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Serena lost her cool
I read everything again and I definitely did not The issue was in PMs as you may have read and you're definitely missing a good part of the story. (Just making sure nobody gets the wrong idea) - much of the originally quoted post is unfortunately inaccurate. Serena, with all due respect, I started that PM by complimenting you on how well you've been managing the community up to this point. I then went on to say that as head of community management you should have a discussion with Mojo about those sorts of responses. I expressed that following the exchange on general I was tempted to dump my Dero out of frustration (which is true). I then expressed that I will be holding onto it because I have great faith in the technology of this project, like I have since I started supporting Dero months ago. I then expressed that other community members may not have the same emotional resolve as me and responses such as Mojos may negatively affect the project as a whole. After sending the aforementioned PM with contents similar to what is listed above. I received no response from you, was vilified over the general channel for being rude in PMs (there was no discussion only my initial PM) then banned. All this following me asking you to simply explain to me over the public channel, where you attacked me, why you felt I was being out of line. I do not see how that is "rude" or "out of line". I am honestly trying my best to help the project by expressing my opinions. They may be blunt and sometimes negative, but truthful and hopefully helpful. |
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Serena, did you ban me from the slack channel? After Mojo’s response to my question I felt hurt and expressed my feelings to the team with apologies for any sort of miscommunications that may have surfaced. I feel while I may have hard questions and difficult, I am not short with my praise when applicable, which my comment history here and in slack willl show.
Is this how a publically supported, decentralized application like Dero is going to be run? Anyone who expresses negative opinions gets banned?
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Honestly, this thread has been bumming me out, I’ve been a staunch supporter of Dero for months now and used to love the community’s helpful, synergistic vibe. I used to visit this thread and the Dero forum multiple times a day, but find myself coming less and less. The holier-than-thou approach of the team to an outpouring of disappointment from their early supporters and the toxicity that breeds has killed what I used to love coming to this community for.
I think I’m going to look for another project to join and back. Not sure I can keep going with this community in its current state.
Honestly, this thread has been bumming me out, I’ve been a staunch supporter of Dero for months now and used to love the community’s helpful, synergistic vibe. I used to visit this thread and the Dero forum multiple times a day, but find myself coming less and less. The holier-than-thou approach of the team to an outpouring of disappointment from their early supporters and the toxicity that breeds has killed what I used to love coming to this community for.
Reported, this is a blatant copy-paste of a comment I made about a month back when ASICs first hit the scene out of frustration with the DERO team ignoring their community at the time (GPU miners used to a low hashrate) and "welcoming" ASICs. I have since moved past that sentiment and am super excited about what the team is going after. Don't know who's behind it, but someone is looking to spread FUD here (maybe whoever is picking up the massive bags on stocks.exchange). |
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Well guys... sold my small business (restaurant), bought a shitload of GPUs.. and now I realize I may not know what the fuck I'm doing. I've got almost 70 cards running (mix of 1070s and 1060s, mostly 1070) mining rvn, getting like 1,500 a day or something like that. Overall at current prices, making like $430 a week before power. Which isn't shit. I realize I can go nicehash and make more probably but I'd be making maybe $600-$650 with nicehash or ethereum or zcash (probably a bit less with zcash at current prices).. My point is, is this the best way to go about it? Mining something speculative, or mining the most profitable coin at the time and exchanging to speculation? I need to liquidate at least some of my monthly earning to get by, but either way, it's a meager existence, and eventually, these cards will crap out despite my best efforts to keep them running at 65 Celsius, and I'll have nothing. Does anyone have any advice for me? Is it really true that 70 fucking Nvidia GPUs can only earn you round-a-bout 2k-2.4k a month after power?? Did I just screw myself??
If you're looking to support yourself off the profits, you absolutely need to be mining the more stable coins that bring in ~3k/mo in profit. If you have the capital to sustain yourself while holding onto your mined coins you can go much more speculative. You need the capital because you'll most likely have to hold the extremely speculative ones for a long while before you see them make big jumps. Think about what your monetary exposure is, then use that information to figure out how much risk you can take. If you're looking to be precise about it, you can run a Black-Scholes model to calculate the current-day market value of what you're mining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black–Scholes_model (sub in price per coin as exercise price where cost per coin is ((cost of rig)/(est. days to breakeven) + (electricity cost per day))/(number of coins per day), annualize the volatility by looking at the volatility in a given time window and extrapolating out to a year (or if it's been around for a year, look at it for a year), use fed numbers for interest rate, time to maturity would be your estimate of how long you could hold the coins for before having to sell them, and the current price per coin as stock price. You can find a calculator here: https://www.mystockoptions.com/black-scholes.cfm) That should help you value your investment in a risk-adjusted way to help you minimize exposure. |
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which would you select, assuming they're about the same price:
A. Corsair CP-9020140-NA HX1200 1200W 80 Plus Platinum High Performance Power Supply = $235 each on amazon.
B. EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 120-G2-1300-XR 80+ GOLD 1300W = $230 each on newegg.
they're for 12x 1070ti / 1080 rigs i'm building moving forward, lets say they use about 150w x 13 = ~2000w total. both carry 10yr warranty and have free shipping / no tax.
I'd select the platinum rated power supply any day. They're rated to lose less electricity to heat for every usable watt that goes into the cards. |
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Honestly, this thread has been bumming me out, I’ve been a staunch supporter of Dero for months now and used to love the community’s helpful, synergistic vibe. I used to visit this thread and the Dero forum multiple times a day, but find myself coming less and less. The holier-than-thou approach of the team to an outpouring of disappointment from their early supporters and the toxicity that breeds has killed what I used to love coming to this community for.
I think I’m going to look for another project to join and back. Not sure I can keep going with this community in its current state.
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Hello everyone,
I just want you to know that we're still going over all of your feedback and our team is carefully considering everything you say. The Dero team knows that this level of network hash is not a positive thing. However, I don't think it's been pointed out yet how stable and resilient Dero's network has been.
It's easy to get caught up on the things that are troubling you. I believe this is where the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes from.
I think it's critically important to recognize that while others shifted their PoW algos, Dero fixed and continued to work on the issues that allowed so many networks to be attacked recently.
Please don't take that as we're ignoring the ASIC issue, what Dero is doing is looking at the issue from a different perspective and fixing the underlying problems before addressing what exacerbated them.
Serena, the robustness of the Dero daemon is a great sentiment, but telling people to focus on the good is not how business works. You have to keep your customers and shareholders happy which is a fickle thing. You can have the best product in the world but people will always want more. In my work I do not see that as a burden, but as a blessing. People are so interested in the project they’re willing to spend their own free time to communicate what they are hoping for/thinking about. What would be much worse is radio silence about the issues. As for the ASIC issue, from a comparative perspective, deprioritising ASIC resistance is precisely what it looks from the outside. I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing here, only that other coins set the bar in how rapidly that change can be implemented (Monero and Sumokoin within a handful of days of Baikal Giant Ns hitting the consumer market). So, given what we’ve seen in the market and the bar that’s been set, it’s hard not to arrive at that conclusion. Now, if you could help us understand why specifically DERO is choosing (it does appear this is a choice decision not a difficulty one) to not focus on ASIC resistance that may help allay people’s concerns. |
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