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141  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 17, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
Both domains were different owners last month. Either .net bought out .com or they changed information
142  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 17, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
Ucoincash did the same thing, delay open and hold peoples ETH and BTC
143  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] HomeBlockCoin 🔥 on: December 17, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
Homeblockcoin is a very stupid name,

worse that Pizzacoin

Doggiecoin

omgcoin

ohmygodcoin
144  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 17, 2017, 07:01:35 PM
Similar problem Legendcoin has on Chrome
145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PRE-ICO] Graft - credit card and crypto payment processing network on: December 17, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
HOW WE PRICED GRAFT ICO

We get a lot of questions about the ICO pricing, including “Why GRAFT ICO is so expensive”. What follows is an attempt to explain how we arrived at the ICO pricing and what all contributed to it.

NOT ALL ALTCOINS ARE THE SAME

There are two types of altcoins (aka tokens) out on the market today – one that sit on top of another blockchain (like Ethereum), and others that implement their own blockchain. The ratio of derivative tokens to custom blockchain ones are roughly 100:1.  
It is a lot easier to do a derivative token based ICO – you just write a small amount of code in  Solidity (if Ethereum) – and you have a token you can sell. Doing or modifying a blockchain on the other hand involves a very substantial amount of engineering efforts – the team has to figure out the math and economics behind the blockchain, implement additional capabilities, secure that new functionality, create API’s, in many cases create applications like a wallet, etc. They also have to create a whole new network complete with node installation procedures, upgrade processes, and many other considerations.
GRAFT is the latter of the two – while leveraging CryptoNote protocol which addresses privacy, decentralization and fungibility as well as  great work that Monero team has done to improve scalability among other things, GRAFT is having to implement a new communication protocol that allows instant authorizations, a distributed API (DAPI) that allows connections from the POS and other applications, and a set of reference applications for the point of sale  and the wallet – just to name a few high-profile tasks.  


DERIVATIVE TOKENS COST MORE

Tokens run on top of another blockchain (say Ethereum), so purchasing a token is not sufficient to run the application that the token represents – you also need to purchase “fuel” (which is the underlying coin/token). The amount of fuel depends on the amount of transactions that the token application represents. Compare this to the blockchain like GRAFT which encompasses the value of entire transaction. As you can see, the cost of a token is more than meets the eye, in some cases much more.




PAY ATTENTION TO VALUATION, NOT TOKEN COST

Valuation (or capitalization) follows a simple formula: (Number of tokens or coins) x (Price of the token / coin).
It’s natural for people to think that smaller price of the token represents a bargain, but the critical piece in this equation is the number of coins or tokens that are being issued.
For example, which is less expensive (has higher valuation) – 1 billion tokens at $1, or 10 million tokens at $10?
It is as you could calculate the latter, with corresponding valuations of $1B vs $100MM.  So when you buy a $10 token from a 10 million token pool, you actually end up with a significantly (10x) larger piece of the pie than if you buy the same amount of the $1 token in a 1 billion token pool.
Most token ICO’s are not burdened by emission math (the formula that guides how the coins are mined, making the later mined coins harder to mine than earlier mined coins), so they issue a very large number of tokens (often in 100’s of millions or even billions) and then pricing the tokens low for the perception of the low entry cost.


Top 10 Derivative tokens (illustrating circulating supplies differences)


GRAFT VALUATION IS 1/40 OF DASH

GRAFT’s total final emission (the number of coins to ever be minted) is roughly 18 million (18,446,744 to be precise). We’re pre-mining certain number of coins (45%) to cover the ICO, marketing, reserves, and incentives. This is it. We will never be able to add or pre-mine any more coins!  We have also decided not to siphon off any fees from the transactions to fund the development like some of the other blockchains are doing.  
As such we have to make sure that whatever we raise now will be sufficient to sustain GRAFT project until no further development or support from the core team are required (we estimate that to be roughly 7 years with the overall team growing to 30-40 people). This is roughly $25MM.  
Now, we also have to account for additional unexpected expenses, crypto-currency fluctuations at the time of the raise, and potential taxable events. This means that we need to need to double the $25MM getting us to $50MM.
Since the ICO represents 25% of the total coin supply, the $50MM has to be equal to 25%, which brings the valuation to $200MM, and subsequently the price of the coin to roughly equivalent of $11 USD.


SUMMARY


When evaluating GRF pricing, it’s really important to compare apples to apples in terms of:
size of emission (or the number of tokens available)
type of a token/coin – a blockchain or a token on top of another blockchain
valuation which is a product of number of tokens multiplied by price
If you do such comparison, you will see that GRF token ICO compares very favorably against other blockchains on the market:

 Current circulationPriceMarket Cap / Valuation
Bitcoin16,678,650$6,100.00$100,000,000,000
Etherium95,715,037$310.00$29,500,000,000
Ripple38,622,870,411$0.20$30,000,000,000
Litecoin53,819,707$60.00$3,250,000,000
Dash7,687,407$340.00$3,200,000,000
Monero15,345,839$118.00$1,800,000,000
Graft (after ICO)8,301,034$11.00$91,311,374

The original post: https://www.graft.network/2017/11/16/how-we-priced-graft-ico/

Doesn't seem like a good deal for early investors in the pre-sale when btc was $5500 back then, which is now adjusted to be $35 token with btc at $19500 divided by 100/1 dilution  is currently 0.35 cost basis for them. They should get rewarded extra tokens.  .     
146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Westerncoin ICO - Overview on: December 17, 2017, 12:41:56 PM
Even falcon coin is better
147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] BITBASE Escrow Technology Changing Smart Contracts as Whole on: December 17, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
I should have bought a few hundred in Davor  instead
148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] BITBASE Escrow Technology Changing Smart Contracts as Whole on: December 12, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 12, 2017, 03:53:33 AM
They have Telegram
150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 11, 2017, 06:08:13 PM
But what if we take 1 year (or even 2 years) span?
Personally I believe (if it doesn't crash  Smiley ) that BitConnect Lending with its compound interests can leave BTC behind easily.

Wishful thinking.

Bitcoin will always outperform Bitconnect. People are using Bitconnect like a crutch. It is more profitable to trade Bitcoin, and you can still apply the compounding interest principle while doing it, without having to worry about a shady company closing shop and running away with all your money. Learn to trade Bitcoin.  

It is highly unlikely Bitconnect will be around for another two years. But even if they are, just keep in mind that their Risk Disclosure says they could reduce rates if the program nears an unstable condition. Compounding can only go so far with programs like Bitconnect. Bitconnect will become unsustainable at some point, and the people who have been compounding will most likely lose a lot of money, money that they likely woulnd't have lost had they traded Bitcoin on their own.

You have to watch the screen every 2 min for 24hrs a day or program a bot  to trade btc.

Bcc has outperformed  btc the last 18 months.  Btc up 40x.   BCC up 1800x
151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 11, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
APOUD scam exit after 1 week
152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Falcon is here! on: December 11, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Trading now at internal exchange at .42 what a joke.

When I bought at IC0 btc was  $6000.  ICO price .95 now the investment instead of 3x it lost 55%
153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 09, 2017, 01:20:29 PM
They are making so much money they stopped deposits and withdrawals
154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO][ECH] Ethconnect - LENDING | STAKING | TRADING in Best Platform on: December 08, 2017, 01:41:09 PM
Run Away scam of the week is Apoud
155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 07, 2017, 02:07:56 PM
Wall street is buying coins for the futures and options plays.
156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 06, 2017, 05:23:36 PM
The special thing is they have been around over 1 year and didnt run away or burn like:

Control-finance
Bitpetite
Bitbase
Elektracoin
Coinreum
CredenceCoin
Confidy
NexCoin
157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥 IdeaCoin 🔥 Start: 20th November at 12am on: December 06, 2017, 05:21:40 PM
Not as true as CredenceCOin
158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] BITBASE Escrow Technology Changing Smart Contracts as Whole on: December 06, 2017, 05:20:58 PM
He registered 3 days after the scam too
159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NUMIV COIN - MINING- LENDING-STAKING-TRADE on: December 06, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
Its not a scam yet until they run or crash, like Bitbase, Elektra, Bitpetite, Coinreum, CredenceCoin
160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BCC] Bitconnect Coin - Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: December 06, 2017, 10:03:39 AM
Bitconnect is much better than Credence coin
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